Incoherent dribble


I honestly feel like a crazy person after seeing the rating that this movie received on both the IMDB and RottenTomatoes. The entire theater was laughing during the vast majority of the scenes. So many were completely out of context and had absolutely no purpose. I asked a friend to check into the 10,000 BC rating in order to compare one terrible film to the other, and learned that 10k BC received a 4.9 here whilst this turd of a film somehow got a 7.5. I was immediately compelled to post my thoughts upon my arrival home.

Everything about this film, except for perhaps the scenery, is laughable. The only thing that prevented us from leaving the theater 30 minutes into this mess was the promise of further laughs to come. I left the theater with a numbed mind after sitting through this inane drivel. I'm convinced that this film's rating has been boosted by some sort of history buffs or some kind of Genghis fanboy club! I've considered the possibility that I may have been mistaken somehow and that it may have been my state of mind and/or lack of energy that contributed to my disdain for this waste of 2 hours, but am certain that an engaging film would have woken my ass up and gotten me into the story. I couldn't have cared less about any of the characters. The entire thing was silly and contrived right from the get-go.

I can't help but guffaw at the reviews this piece of garbage is getting. Please, I implore any who read this to avoid this thing like the plague. I've been checking IMDB for years now, including the message boards (which are often hilarious), but have never felt an impetus strong enough to actually post to this extent. Do. Not. See. This. *beep*

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Is there a particular reason behind your hatred of this movie?

"Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it's an ethos."

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I thought the film was pretty terrible as well, so I guess I'll give my reasoning.

It was loud and obnoxious, begging us to feel titillated by extremely lazily staged action (lookit all dat slow-mo blood!), is terribly scripted (featuring not one, not two, but three capture-and-escape set-ups) and contains not an ounce of visual grace, with any real beauty smothered by quick edits (that clash tonally with the rest of the film).

It's also dangerous in presenting the man who raped and murdered his way across Asia as a nice guy driven by a code of warrior ethics superior to his opponents.

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War is loud and obnoxious, and so were many of the characters - so that is appropriate.

If you had a greater appreciation for the mongolian honour-based culture and combat style, you would realise that the scripting and action was incredibly realistic. Bodrov captured the funny side of this alien way of thinking and speaking masterfully. If you laugh at the dialogue in this film, you laugh at history. Also, battle in reality is often clumsy and laboured (this is not Hollywood!).

Gengis is never depicted as 'nice' either. Perhaps noble in his own way, but ruthless. Such he was, yet the film depicts this from the perspective of their honour-based culture. This is perhaps seductive to the young mind, but also valuable art.

The cinematography was also excellent throughout. It went from showing off Bodrov's skill to gracefully blending into the foundations of the film - subtly enhancing the whole experience.

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Gengis is never depicted as 'nice' either. Perhaps noble in his own way, but ruthless.

Disagree with that a bit. He's certainly had a few nice moments in there. The key is though, that he is seen with his family quite a bit. Of course he's nice with them, but when he's dealing with enemies and random soldiers he can be extremely cruel. One of the best bits was at the end when he had those two soldiers beheaded for doing what they thought he wanted them to do.

FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC

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Your example about the 2 soldiers is bad. The enemy soldiers in question killed their own master because they were losing. Killing ones own master is cowardice and at the expense of the master. Genghis Khan is a master of others himself, should he just let it slide that some soldiers would sacrifice their master to save their hides?

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There is an example in the OT of David doing the same to people who claimed to have killed the king of Israel.

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featuring not one, not two, but three capture-and-escape set-ups...

Haha, there were quite a lot of those now that you mention it. I seemingly have a relatively high tolerance of capture-and-escape set-ups.
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I suppose on a clear day you can see the class struggle from here.

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Yeah that's right: all murderers never were children. Never were teenagers. Never were young people who fell in love and had hopes and dreams.
And of course, judging him by the standards of our time makes oh so much sense.
Really - your critical thinking skills are an example to us all.

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Only the fact that I'll never get those 126 minutes of my life back. Like I said in my original post, I feel like I'm insane assigning this as one of, if not THE, worst movies I've ever seen, yet people on the boards here seemed to somehow like it and the rating reflects that. The only other movies in recent memory that have proven unwatchable to me are 10,000 BC and Rush Hour 3.

Both my friend and I wish we'd gone back and demanded a refund. Not once before have I even considered asking for a refund for any other terrible movie that I've had the misfortune of choosing to see. THAT is how bad I found this movie to be.

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Okay, so WHY didn't you like it? I get that you didn't like it.

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If you have such seething hatred for a beautiful film like this, then I'd say your life, including the 126 minutes you feel you've wasted is fairly worthless.

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I respect your opinion, adamfreud. However, mine differs. You must have had exalted expectations for this film, hoping for a profoundly moving historical epic. I had no such illusions. I'm not putting "Mongol" on any Top 10 or even Top 100 list, but it was entertaining enough -- flawed, but entertaining -- and not entirely in the intended manner. My sons and I had many a laugh over some of the grunts and "dialogue" and "action" of the film. We were mildly entertained, and that's good enough for me. We won't watch it a second time, nor will we add it to our permanent DVD collection. But it was OK to view once.

Perhaps that is why I also disagree with your opinion of "10,000 BC" and "Rush Hour 3," both of which I found fun and highly entertaining -- and worthy of a second viewing. I suppose if I were expecting these two to be (respectively) a historical take on our remote ancestors and a gritty police thriller, I would have been disappointed.

I enjoy seeking out and watching films from various countries. Kazakhstan is fairly new to the world of cinematography. Films from places like Indonesia, Nepal, the Philippines, and Turkey may be of uneven quality and certainly are not competitive with the best that the West has to offer. When I look at "Mongol" in that context, it's really not a bad effort at all.

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ah, the obligatory worst-film-ever thread that every film must have.
never seen Catwoman or Basic Instinct 2, i suppose. (just realized i mentioned two Sharon Stone films)

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yeah, the reason is hes some idiot who cant recognise a decent movie when he sees one, all that talk about the people in the theatre laughing doesnt ring true....clearly he didnt enjoy, is a bit ashamed he will look ignorant so drags a fictious audience agreeing with him into it. Some deadhead who just wants to see car chases, explosions and shootouts. Ignore him, sad little person.

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Wow, this is the best Epic I've seen in a while, it was refreshing to see more Asian backdrops(the city though limited was visually great).

There were obviously a few scenes that required a suspension of belief, but the spiritual/supernatural side of things was an interesting touch.

Its true the escapes were over done, and some of the dialogue was unnessesarily simple, but still a very entertaining watch.

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I agree. I can't believe how ANYONE could POSSIBLY have enjoyed this movie. My expectqations after all the hype and reviews were sky-high, but this was HORRIBLE. The best sentence in the whole thing was "11something - the year of the black rat". how can this be selected for an oscar? i really tried to believe in the movie to the very end but the Title card with the monastery was just hillarious. also the camera was really, really bad - of course they got their landscapes but even pulling a little focus was too much for the operator.
this was bad on every level of filmmaking from the screenplay to the editing. the only thing good about it were the earrings. russins are such great filmmakers - eisenstein and michalshevky and tarkowski would turn in their graves!
what a horrible waste of material and history!
there was a great deal of monotony to be expected - but being captured and fleeing three times is boring even by mongloian standards. It's like: not again.
this movie had absoultely no meat and or muscle to it.
god bless america for the dark knight

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It's an interesting choice when on the one hand somebody complains that an experience they've had wasted precious minutes of their life but on the other they'll spend a few days going on about how awful it was.

But that's what the internet is all about: connecting.
Now everyone can waste additional valuable time finding people who hate a movie as well. Isn't that great? Now you can all be miserable together.

Maybe it's necessary to vent, I don't know. Although speaking as someone who happened to come by I can't help but suggest you move on to something more fulfilling. One part of me sadistically enjoys watching self-important nobodies banding together in the name of frustration. Actually that's probably two, maybe three parts of me. I think somewhere in there is a sense of pity...

You know what? Forget it, you're entertaining. Please continue.

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Please.

What is your point? "Now you can all be miserable together." Should we not have criticised the film? Is that not okay? Is this some kind of 'if you can't say anything nice, don't say it at all' statement?

You're right, the internet IS about connecting. It means that people can feel they are not alone by sharing their opinions of an experience felt by many, in this case, a movie. Is there anything wrong with people pointing out that they disliked a film? What exactly about that is 'self-important'? Are only positive opinions acceptable?

In the same post where you refer to a bunch of people as 'nobodies' and generally sneer upon them, unprovoked, you also call them 'self-important'. Maybe we are 'nobodies', but so are you. You're also a hypocrite, which is much worse.

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Thank you, ismisasean_cilian wins this thread.

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I saw it today and thought it very good. I thought the acting was good- no histrionics that passes for good acting in most Hollywood films (eg Nicholas Cage). Reminded me a bit of RAN.

Let's hope there is no Hollywood remake - now that would be truly awful

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I totally disagree with the folks who say this movie is bad. I found it MUCH better than most of the drivel (not "dribble") produced around the world, from 300 (which WAS entirely laughable and a waste of time and money) to Sin City.

Mongol was a story, it had a beginning, a middile and end, with enough action to keep the guts-and-gore crowd happy and enough humanity for the rest of us, who like to watch something other than naked anatomy and blond guys with fake accents. If anything, the camarawork in Mongol was superb. It seems to me you disagreeing folks are just out for blood, out of sheer ennui. That's all fine in a free world, but that also means I can slam you -- politely, of course.

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and if I have feedback, it is only that the battle scenes were too much into computer tricks, as I am of the old guard and I prefer less technical tricks in my movies. Still, I'd definitely encourage people to watch this movie, either in a theater or on DVD.

"Honesty is most difficult with oneself and this is why it is a dying craft."
E.M.

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@ilgransil "god bless america for the dark knight", a film carried by an Australian actor and directed by a Brit! The lack of detail in a majority of the xenophobic and bigoted opinions posted by some on this board makes me despise the fact that I belong to the same species. Thankfully there are still directors like Sergey Bodrov who can create a masterpiece such as this film. "god bless america for" its ignorant and imperialistic hypocrisies, and its ruthless pillaging of things that aren't theirs. At least while Hollywood keeps the American population enslaved with incoherent dribble, their increasing waist-lines, debt and social disparities will serve to remind the world that their time is over. You keep enjoying American films like "dark knight".

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Hi saw it yesterday and was pleasantly surprised. I read your posts and understand (even agree) with some of your points. However, I personally still think it is a great movie. Why?

1) I have been to Mongolia before and I truly love the country and its people. Its landscape is amazing and was nothing I had ever seen before. Seeing Mongolian faces (which I always find fairy tale looking) and the country's landscape was a true treat for me.
2) It is good to understand the early Ghengis Khan, for all we know of him is his disputed violent behaviour. What most people dont know is that he brought a lot of good to imperial China. Could argue that the Mongols left one of the greatest dynasties in China.
The fact that he now often bashed in the history books is more of a political nature than a factual reality. There is much more to the story and I think this story shows bit and pieces of another Ghengis.
3) The colours in the movie were stunning and breath taking.
4) The music was brilliant. I cant stop loving the Mongolian traditional sound with so well with its diverse yet rough landscape.

Anyways, on the basis of these (among other) assets this movie deserves its 7,5 rating. Leads me to conclude, to paraphrase another poster, God bless Kazakhstan, Mongolia and Germany for Mongol!

"May the outward and inward man be at one""

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Best movie i've seen for a while, since felon. If you'd ask me it should be a bit longer but all in all a great flick.

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I'm struggling to understand how anyone can view this as incoherent dribble.

You can't expect everything to follow your own preconceived notions of dialogue.

This is a foreign language film and therefore the dialogue is going to be in a different structure to what you are used to.

I found the ilm visually stimulating and enjoyed the peek into Mongolian culture.

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Ohhhh,

So you liked 10,000 BC, and thought Mongol was too slow paced....

That's cool I guess, I mean everyone has their own opinions, even if there are wrong.

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Wow, three whole paragraphs and you didn't give one example of something you didn't like about the film. I think you might want to call Guinness about winning "The Most Possible Ways I Can Say the Same Thing" award.

Now, I was a little tired while I was reading your post, but a more engaging post would have woken me up. Basically, all I read was "I didn't like it. I didn't like this movie. I laughed at this movie because I didn't like it. I thought this was a bad movie. It's possible I just didn't understand it, but I still didn't like it. This was a bad movie. I didn't like this movie."

Give some examples of things you didn't like about it!

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^
See... this is a pretty well rounded summary of what the original post is about.

Some self important person comes to a board and makes a relatively well written post about how he dislikes a movie.
Said person wants to convince other people that his opinion is justified - yet completely neglects pointing out WHY he refused, could -or should not like this piece of 'inane drivel'.

He goes on in a loop, repeating himself, with, perhaps the exception of aptly switching out previously written negatively loaded words with synonyms.

Do you see the difference between these replies and the original post?

We've actually justified our reasons for disliking the contents of this maunder.

You're perfectly right in disrelishing something.
Heck, you're even 'allowed' to preach all you want (eventhough the choir you're seeking, might be harder to find than you had anticipated).

It just seems as though you're making the exact same mistake you're accusing this movie of, and that, my friend, is irony.

Kudos to you, bkostuk, in pointing out what I've just written, perhaps more so eloquently. It is not often I read well reasoned criticism on the various imdb-boards I visit.

Alas, this 'issue' is becoming a pretty well frequented problem, even in the 'review' sections.
A person will rave about whether or not he liked a movie, yet completely evade the entire topic of _why_, making the final 'verdict' redundant.

As for the movie?

It's a good effort.

Genghis Khan is such a powerful and important figure in the history of mankind, and here it's available in a nicely wrapped up story:
It's well told. Perhaps not as filled with action as we'd like, but it is just one chapter in the tellings of a man, much larger than two hours could ever hope to accomplish covering. We understand his quest for wanting to improve a country, and later, even an entire world.

The cinematography, as mentioned, is excellent. Stunning scenery plays a large part in aiding this very facet. It might even be the movie's best 'supporting role'.

Memorable faces make the actors very well cast. I particularly grew fond of the actor playing our protagonist. He has a very charismatic face, and delivers duely in conveying the appearance of one of history's true genious strategists.

The movie does carry some slower portions. If you suffer from ADHD, or you're simply used to something 'happening' all the time, it could most likely even be considered a flaw. I appreciate these lesser paced parts, as they help set the mood, and are even better building blocks for a good ending - eventhough this movie's ending certainly leaves something to be desired (at least if you're familiar with Genghis' conquests) - however, as I've understood - it is part one of a planned trilogy (whether this happens or not, only the future can tell).

The direction is fine. Nothing entirely groundbreaking. Though I must admit there were some slightly different perspectives offered in the final scenes, a nice change that helped, at least in my case, bring something 'new' to the table (which, perhaps, I should credit the DOP for). The mise-en-scene also seemed top notch.

Perhaps the story is too padded - but that has certainly not hindered films such as Braveheart in receiving high acclaim. Why should it here?

Maybe the dialogue is tattered, but that may come down to faulty translation. I saw this movie on blu-ray, relased by Universal Pictures to be specific. The subtitles seemed fine. Certianly not incoherent. But then again, philosophical rhetoric is what it is.

I'd recommend the movie to anyone. It caters to a very broad audience. Even people mostly familiar with American McCinema.
It's not going to change your life. It's not going to be 'the best movie you ever saw' (then again... that statement never really carries much ground).

It's going to be a movie with a memorable cast, memorable scenery - and last but not least: it's a visualization of very important, very real events, and might even stand as a reminder of where we came from, why we still stand by some ancient, and perhaps, at first glance, ridiculous traditions.

On an ending note: it might just be what can help you get into 'foreign cinema' (perhaps the most stupid movie-related term ever coined), then again, it could, as is the case in the original poster's case, turn you off it.

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I agree completely with your take on IMDB. And, because of your eloquent review of this movie, I will avoid it.

I must say, it did look interesting, initially, but then I ran across your review.

Thanks much.

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Don't listen to this rotten ebeneezer about anything. This movie is interesting and worth watching.

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I agree it is interesting, looks good and is worth watching, but it is all over the place. I kept thinking that I had fallen asleep and missed a bit. It was so disjointed and the time frame was incomprehensible, leaving me to read between the lines too much, which I didn’t want to do because I was hoping to get an historical insight. It needed to be a lot longer or have been made into several movies.

Historical epic this is not. A decent sword and sandal action flick maybe. 5/10

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Well I actually had high hopes for this one. But hell. I thought it was ridiculous. How many times can you see a man get captured and then escape, and with escape I mean just disappearing beyond the horizon then cutting to the next scene where he's somewhere else with no mention on how he got there, how he survived without food and water, or how long it has been since the escape. It's just bad writing. There isn't any real point to it, it didn't advance the story nor did it advance the Genghis Khan character.

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Swedish...

And if they had 'told' you that...would you watch a 5 hour film? I thought not...Go back to watching Scooby Doo eh...

And maybe adam can't read, thus his disdain for this film, maybe stick to hollywood fluff in the future and stay away from 'foreign subtitled' films?

Let it ride...

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I read most of the comments, but what convinced me NOT to watch this movie was Swedish's comments. Thanks -

Todd

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He went to mc mongol and picked up a mongolian barbecue burger.

How do you think he got food? he obviously hunted and found streams or some other food source. Dont forget these people came from a time that is really different from ours. If you didnt know how to hunt and find water youre pretty much *beep* They couldnt go to the neighborhood 7'11 and buy a twinkie. i'm sure they teach their kids how to find food etc.

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