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Homophobia ruins another great work of literature


This movie had the potential to be great. It was well cast and well acted. The writing was excellent. The story had humor and heart. Good sets and costumes. Great props and fun dialog. Then they changed the main character from gay to straight. This was a huge mistake. It made the entire movie a lie. If you watch the behind the scenes footage you will hear comment after comment about how this movie is about not conforming to societal norms and about being true to yourself. Then they changed the main character into a more socially acceptable person. Talk about not being true to ones self. This character was based on a real person. The movie is based on a biographical novel about a gay science fiction author who adopts a child. This is one of the greatest writers of our time and one of the most influential. His story should have been told honestly. I am so sick of this kind of crap in our country. I can understand why he would have agreed to let his story be mutilated, but man it disgusts me that he had to. What is wrong with this country that he would have to hide who he is? This was like making a movie about Rosa Parks, then changing her into a white woman who walks to work and gets harassed by people who ride bicycles who think she shouldn't use their bike path to walk on. Just unbelievable. A movie like this could have gone a long way towards helping gay families find acceptance in mainstream life. Kids are adopted by gay folk all the time and people need to recognize and acknowledge the contribution to society. It may seem like a little white lie to some of you. Oh well if we change him from a gay man to a widower, then more people will be able to relate to him. If we make him straight, then more women will be attracted to him and buy more movie tickets. If he doesn't like men, then no one can bring up the possibility of sexual abuse as a motivation in our hero deciding to adopt a little boy. These are the kinds of thoughts that go into the process of making a dishonest choice like this in a movie script. It just goes to show you that the truth of the situation REALLY needed to be out there. Ignorant straight people needed to see that a gay man can adopt a boy and not want to sleep with him or abuse him in any way. This IS the story of a real family and they are not getting the recognition of being a real, happy and loving family because of homophobia. Once the little white lie is told, you have to follow it with other little lies. The lies just feed on each other and grow into more lies. If he was a widower then he had a wife. He never had a male partner. If he was a widower and not a gay man, he never had to fight homophobia in the matter of his son. This just continues to change who he is and what his life has been like. This was just one more disappointment in a long line of disappointments from Hollywood and from middle America. Yet another victory for bigots and haters. They sure scared the gays back in the closet where they belong.

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In the original short story his orientation was not mentioned or even hinted at and yet in the movie based on it he is very specifically identified as a straight widower. This is contrary to the actual facts of the real person this is all based on. When he wrote the original story he left out the sexuality because of small minded people. He knew it would make the story less acceptable to the general public and he really wanted to share the story of his love of his child. Once it had gained popularity he fleshed out the story to include more detail including his sexuality. I am not uninformed at all, I am simply mad at the lack of respect for gay people. Why did the character have to have a sexuality at all if they were being true the the original story? The screenwriter says ""It is a film about a parent who learns to accept a child who is different, about challenging small-minded expectations, and having the courage to be who you are." Yeah so why make a gay person straight? They knew he was gay. Oh wait, because they are going to remake a charcter into something that will appeal to small minded expectations and lacking the courage to allow him to be who he is. How can you not see the hypocrisy there? The universal truth is that once again small minded America has let us down. This movie was a huge steamy pile of homophobic crap and you are sadly as small minded as the people who allow this kind of crap to go on.

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it's not a short story!!!! i'm sorry for nitpicking you, but you purport to know the elements of a short story and what it's "all about" yet you are calling a novelette a short story, and they aren't the same thing. aside from that, you clearly don't get the OP's point. at all. the point is, since they are depicting a real-life person's story, and they felt the need to include back story on his romantic past (making him a straight man with a dead fiancee) to "enhance" the narrative (i thought all that was inconsequential to the heart of the story: a man becoming a father and a child becoming a son??) they could at least have respected the author enough to make him GAY or not include that back story at all. how would him being gay be a distraction exactly, while him being straight is not? if the audience makes a big deal about him being gay, that's a fault of their own and not the story or the storyteller. it's like people aren't allowed to be open about being gay in the same way straight people are (mentioning partners' existence or holding hands in public) without being accused of making a show and rubbing it in the world's face. it's homophobia mate, textbook.

in case you still don't understand the point, it's not about him NOT being gay in the film, it's about him being deliberately STRAIGHT in the film. if they thought the dead fiancee helped move the narrative forward, why not just mention he had a fiancee and that person passed away. there is no reason.

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You're absolutely right about the idiotic and embarrassing homophobia here in the good ole USofA, Inc. That in itself is good reason for Cusack's character to be straight -- if he were gay homophobes would have been crawling out from every rock in the country to attack such an egregious affront to family values. By eliminating that plot point possibly the writer(s)/director hoped to make the movie more accessible to a general audience, which is not the same as catering to homophobia. There is nothing homophobic about Martian Child.

The movie, to me, is about the relationship between David and Dennis, complex enough without making David gay. David doesn't appear to be sexually active nor does he have a girlfriend so if he were gay I can't see how that basic message would have been altered. You don't have to be gay to be "queer," although I am both. David was an "outsider" as a child so empathizes with Dennis on that level, even though Dennis is light years beyond David as an odd duck. As I know from growing up a gay kid it is (still) challenging. Being ostracized is common but our society marginalizes many people who do not fit into some antiquated, stupid norm. David and Dennis both know this fact of life.

I knew the story/book's author was gay before seeing the film but it didn't diminish my enjoyment. If David had been gay it would have been fine but making him straight was fine, too. David's sexuality wasn't an integral part of the story, at least not in the film.


Someone mentioned Breakfast with Scot, another movie from 2007 dealing with somewhat similar issues. The 2 main adult characters are a gay couple who have an abandoned child thrust into their lives. I enjoyed this movie also but Scot was a "stereotypical" gay kid -- not "masculine," not conforming to "gender roles," not trying to hide the way he is. A large part of the story is one of the men coming to terms with his internalized homophobia, learning to accept and nourish Scot as Scot is, not trying to mold him into what he thinks he should be. David's challenge is to allow Dennis to be his own little person and help him learn to fit in better with peers and others. Both films deal with children who don't fit neatly into some slot but have love and support from parents. If there were many more parents like them the world would be a better place.

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The fact remains, David's sexuality in the novelette does not affect nor distract away from the main plot, yet the film makers not only give him a dead fiancée but added Amanda Peet's character as a romantic interest to further bring home his heterosexuality. It's insulting.

I am going to have to check out "Breakfast with Scot", it does sound pretty interesting. :)

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Now if only most countries could get on board and ban anyone with an IQ of less than their combined show sizes from the Internet.

You'd get bored pretty quickly Don.

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Here is a link to a post on another board. I hope you find it helpful.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0314775/board/nest/34738503

The screenwriters may have agreed with your point of view to some extent — which is why they gave David's agent the line, "Why can't you just be who we want you to be?"

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Your Rosa Parks comparison would be hilarious if it wasn't so offensive. Parks' race has everything to do with her story. David's orientation has nothing to do with Martian CHILD.

A piece of information that was irrelevant to the story was altered. If you're upset about that, will you also be upset if you find out that the real David Gordon is not of Irish descent, or doesn't have a married sister with two sons, or never took Dennis to see Johnny Fever?

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it wasn't altered, it was added. it's probably also irrelevant that his name is not david gordon...

it's true, your point about the flaw in the OP's Rosa Park's analogy. however the struggle she faced can certainly be compared to the struggle of discrimination LGTB citizens face in this country today, can it not? and the fact that hollywood, at the time of this film, felt the need to make a character inferred to be gay, straight to "make things less DISTRACTING" for the poor, simpleton, homophobe audience members is just a small manifestation of that struggle. if gay people were allowed to adopt kids as easily as straight people and were allowed to legally be married, and weren't so often the victims of hate crimes, then i'd say all the gay people were overreacting.

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Not to mention that ORIENTATION and RACE are in no way equivalent. You are born the race you are - it's in your genes. Homosexuality is an ORIENTATION. If it were genetic, it would have died out a long time ago and not been passed on to anyone. Homosexuals are not 'born that way' that's why it's called an 'orientation' and not 'caused by this bit of DNA'. If it were caused by DNA, people could test fetuses for it and abort them if they were 'gay,' the way people test fetuses and abort them because they are female.

Rosa Parks could not choose to just 'act white' on the bus; but one CAN always choose whether to act or not on one's sexual impulses, whatever they are. How someone chooses to behave (in what should be a private situation) has nothing to do with a race that is determined genetically. You can walk down the street and get onto a bus and no one will know you are gay. But you can't walk down a street and get onto a bus and no one will no you are black or white or Asian or simply 'different from me.'

Race and sexual orientation are entirely different things.

As for 'homophobia,' the word means, 'fear of the same.' It's utterly meaningless when it has anything to do with homosexuals. It's a word invented to make people shut up if they think that the human body was not designed by nature for putting one's sexual organ into another person's digestive system. Somehow if you say, 'You are homophobic' (which doesn't actually MEAN anything), people are supposed to get all ashamed of themselves and shut up and go away. I guess in the end, heterosexuality is just supposed to shut up and go away.

I will now don my flame-proof suit, because I'm going to be subjected to all kinds of hate-speech from people who are demanding equal rights and freedom and tolerance, but will not for a moment give equal time to a perfectly reasonable view that's not their own, or freedom of speech to someone who says something perfectly reasonable that's contrary to their beliefs; nor will they tolerate the freedom or even existence of anyone who challenges their world-view.

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>>> Rosa Parks could not choose to just 'act white' on the bus; but one CAN always choose whether to act or not on one's sexual impulses, whatever they are.

Sexual orientation is not about behavior. It's about what gives you a hard-on. I don't believe that anyone chooses what gives them a hard-on. In this sense, it is therefore very comparable to race.

It should be against the law to use 'LOL'; unless you really did LOL!

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Why does it matter? IMO it's the gays that want to make every issue about being gay. Knock it off.

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I don't find this movie to be homophobic, nor do I find it to be the fault of Hollywood or any of the makers of the film. It's a very unfortunate world we live in when a simple detail like sexual orientation is left out of a film because it distracts from the rest of the story, but that's the world we live in. It's not a pleasant world by any means, but people - whether they are homophobic or not - would likely shift the focus to such a detail, thus overshadowing the real point of the film: the struggles of adoption and becoming a family.

In the defense of Hollywood, the producers were unaware of the author's sexual orientation as mentioned in this article: http://web.mac.com/jontolins/Toll_House/Toll_House_Blog/Entries/2007/5/8_Why_the_Martian_Child%E2%80%99s_Daddy_Isn%E2%80%99t_Gay.html

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The weblink in the above article is no longer valid but I did find an archive of it. The article is written by Jonathan Tolins who was one of the script writers for the movie. It's worth a read. I posted it again in full here as I didn't know how long the archive would remain active for and I like saving stuff for prosperity.

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Why the Martian Child’s Daddy Isn’t Gay

[This essay first appeared last week but disappeared for some unknown reason. Here it is again with minor changes and a different picture above.]
There is a minor controversy brewing online concerning the sexuality of John Cusack’s character in Martian Child. As a co-screenwriter (with my writing partner Seth Bass) and co-producer who worked on the project from the beginning, and as a gay man who cares deeply about these issues, I want to record my experience and provide an accurate history of how the film came to be from someone who was there.
Martian Child began as an award-winning short story by the science fiction writer David Gerrold that was published in the 1990s. The story tells of the narrator’s experience as a single man adopting a child who claims to be from another planet. A film producer named Ed Elbert secured the film rights and eventually teamed up with producers David Kirschner and Corey Sienega. Seth and I were working with David and Corey on another project and they gave us the short story to read to see if we might be interested in pursuing it with them.
The story grabbed us immediately. It’s a touching and warm piece of writing that tapped into deep human impulses. It reminded me of the classic changeling fantasy, in which a child comes to believe he is actually the descendant of a fairy or some other legendary creature and left in place of a human child. There was very little plot, but Seth and I felt immediately that the seeds of a good movie were there.
The sexual orientation of the narrator in the short story is never mentioned.
We began work on the pitch with Corey and David sometime between 2000 and 2001. (I know it was that early because when K-Pax came out in 2001, I worried that our pitch would be in jeopardy because of some similarities. Fortunately, I was wrong.)
Early in our discussions, I brought up the question of the main character David’s personal life. Why was this single man adopting a child? I wanted to know what led him to this decision and why he wasn’t pursuing a family down a more traditional path. I thought an audience would want to know, too.
We discussed several possibilities, including the notion that David could be gay. In the end, we decided to make David someone who had suffered a recent tragedy -- his fiancé died shortly before they were to be married. (The director Menno Meyjes and John Cusack later changed this slightly to make David a widower.)
Why didn’t we make David gay? As the author of The Twilight of the Golds and The Last Sunday in June, and as someone who was completing my stint as co-producer on the first season of Showtime’s Queer As Folk, I certainly had no qualms about writing gay characters. The real question at that point was, why would we? We didn’t make our protagonist gay because that simply wasn’t the movie we envisioned. The questions raised by a single gay man adopting a child, whether those questions are legitimate or not, would have to be dealt with in the movie, and they threatened to overwhelm what we saw as a gentle, fable-like story. This was not Sidney Shorr: A Girl’s Best Friend (the basis for the sit-com Love, Sidney) or a Lifetime movie about the issue of gay parenting. This was going to be a movie intended for the whole family.*
We worked on our pitch for over a year. Shortly before we went out to try and sell it, Corey and David informed us that David Gerrold had expanded the story into a short novel. In this new longer form, David reveals that he is gay. (Gerrold blurs the lines between his real life and his narrator’s. The author is himself an adoptive parent and openly gay, the latter fact I did not know until I heard about the book’s impending release. His sci-fi fans may have known, but I did not. Nevertheless, Gerrold and his son both say that The Martian Child is a work of fiction.)
I still remember the moment I found out, sitting in David Kirschner’s den; I banged my head with my hands and said, “Oh no! It will be just my luck. We’ll get this movie made and everyone will say we changed the character from gay to straight.” Oh, yes, I saw this coming. And as the only gay man involved, and as someone who has taken heat for some of my writing about gay issues in the past, I was already bracing for the worst.
I did eventually read the novel, though I can’t remember whether I did so before or after we sold our pitch to New Line. To my surprise, the book did not make me wish we had written our treatment differently. There is a moving moment when David tells his adopted son Dennis that he is gay and Dennis doesn’t seem to care, but otherwise, David’s sexuality is rarely mentioned. He “happens to be gay” and has no romantic life to speak of. There is a passage near the end in which David talks about a lost love who was “shot in the face,” but I confess I read those pages several times and still had a hard time understanding exactly what was being said. For whatever reason, Gerrold keeps this aspect of his story somewhat vague.
Indeed I wonder if those accusing us of “changing” David from gay to straight would have been satisfied with a movie that was strictly faithful to the novel. I suspect they might have complained that David was just another safe, neutered gay character with no romantic interest. But again, since we began our work from the short story (that we all loved), we had no responsibility to be faithful to the novel (which we did not use) or to create a gay hero to further a political or social cause.
We wanted our movie to be about a parent accepting an unusual child. In the book, the gay David seems to seek acceptance from Dennis, as if his child’s love will somehow validate his own life and worth. I don’t think that is a fair burden to put on a child, real or fictional, and I’m afraid that element in the movie would have bordered on self-pity.
Now I come to the one confusing element in this story. Sometime last year, when this issue was raised on the movie website IMDB.com, David Gerrold wrote in to the IMDB message board claiming that he always wanted David to be gay in the film and that he campaigned vigorously, heroically even, but was rebuffed by the producers and the studio for commercial reasons. I cannot explain why he wrote what he did.
For the record, I have met David Gerrold exactly once. Seth, the producers, and I had a long meeting with him after our second or third draft was completed and it looked like the movie was on track to get made. I fully expected Gerrold to bring up the issue of David’s sexuality. He did not. Instead, he wanted us to include more details of the complicated adoption process (which we did, though not all those elements made it into the final film), and he wanted David to make more jokes throughout, but that was the extent of his notes. He never said one word about making David gay.
And if David Gerrold ever did complain to the studio or the producers about this issue, I never heard about it. Let me also mention that the producers and executives I worked with have been honorable and forthright throughout our long journey together.
That’s all I know.
I personally have not heard from any of the bloggers or other writers accusing us of once again erasing gay people from the screen. To my knowledge, no one has contacted any of the people who actually worked on the movie to ask questions. But then, if fact-checking were routine these days, we wouldn’t be in Iraq. While there is a long way to go before gay people are represented fairly in the media, in this case, the alleged offense is simply the result of timing and the difference between David Gerrold’s original short story and the later novel. I repeat, the character of David was not gay in the story from which we started.
I find this confusion especially unfortunate because, in a larger sense, our movie of Martian Child is extremely gay positive. It is a film about a parent who learns to accept a child who is different, about challenging small-minded expectations and having the courage to be who you are. I hope the fact that our main character is heterosexual will not interfere with that message reaching a wide audience.
- Jon

P.S. One more thing. So Martian Child is not the important film about gay parenting -- the Philadelphia of adoption -- that as a new gay father, I long to see. Fortunately, that film should be on the way. My partner Cary (professionally known as Robert Cary) is now attached to direct a film version of The Kid, Dan Savage’s wonderful non-fiction book about how he and his partner adopted their son. Let’s hope it makes it to the screen in less time than the seven years it took us to make Martian Child.

* I mean that -- “intended for the whole family” -- in the commercial sense. I do not believe there is anything wrong with young people learning about gay parents; I read my daughter books on the subject every night. But movie studios poised to spend great sums of money do think about what kind of audience they are trying to reach, and gay protagonists are not yet considered family fare.
(The photo above is of a storage box in my garage that is filled with drafts of the movie.)

That's my 2 cents and no, you can't have it!

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LATER:
I hate to ruin your ranting and raving at this late date.
HOWEVER:
Did it ever occur to you that, once the studio paid Mr Gerrold for the screen-rights to his story, just how much say he had in the final film?

I'll give you a hint: It was probably a VERY ROUND NUMBER; one whose appearance is easily mistaken for a vowel in the English alphabet.

THEREFORE:
Lambaste the studio executives. (As if they listen to anyone but themselves.)
Lambaste the screenwriters. (As if they listen to anyone but the studio exec.)
Lambaste the Hollywood "system". (As if they listen to anyone but their bankers.)

But I don't think Mr Gerrold is the one to blame.

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