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Anybody else disappointed?


I was really excited about this one. The long shots are technically excellent, but I didn't find them "beautiful". The story overlaps in a very tedious way. I love slow movies, but this was a bit much, Satantango feels upbeat compared to this! Anyway, I think Tarr does best with stories dealing with people and emotions, where he can manage emotions anyway he wants without having to follow a logical storyline, as is the case with a "mystery" type movie.

Just my 2 cents....

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Also, the post production ADR... very badly done, I am a sound designer, have edited dialogue, and this is just horrible for me, unacceptable for a man of his quality as a filmmaker, distracts from the movie...

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Werckmeister Harmonies, too, features some awkward dubbing (mainly because two of the leads were German, and therefore could not speak Hungarian). I believe that he does all sound post, as well, seeing as his visual style would make recording audio (at least quality audio) near impossible.

I think it adds to the unusual atmosphere of his worlds, however (not that I'd ever choose to see it off). It gives his films a certain 60's vibe that is rarely seen in contemporary cinema (particularly european auteurist cinema)... this is, of course, reinforced by his visual sensibilities (in fact, there's only one object that I can recall that places his films as contemporary filmmaking... and that's a plastic house-fan in Werckmeister)

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The thing which I've found disappointing in both Werckmeister Harmonies and The Man from London is the dubbing. In Werckmeister Valuska's voice was a quite well-known Hungarian voice actor, but his qualities just didn't fit the role well.

Correction: I've seen it for the second time and I've enjoyed it much better than the first. This time I've seen it in Hungarian (with foreign actors dubbed and Hungarian actors doing their own voices) and although it is not autenthical for a film with English and French character, but it was much better done and had better atmosphere for a Béla Tarr film. And the voices were again quite well-known Hungarian ones, but this time they got on well with the characters.

"A voice from behind me reminds me. Spread out your wings you are an angel."

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No way! Tarr is a genius... refreshing in modern cinema's current state.

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Disappointed? This film was dreadful! Who cared what happened? It was ugly and depressing. Although from a standpoint of pure style, it was gutsy to make such a slow superficial movie. It was totally 2 dimensional. I would rather have seen such a stylized visual movie about a completely different story, something more interesting. He wasted the look and feel of this movie on a story that was worthless.

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I've seen it for the second time...
Which film are you referring to, Werckmeister or The Man From London?

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Bela Tarr is a cinema genius, pure artistic brilliance, you (old or new) Hollywood lovers never could understand or get it anyway...

"Cinema is the most beautiful fraud in the world."

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I love Hollywood movies (old and new), and I love Béla Tarr movies. how will we reconcile this apparent paradox?


She gave me a smile so sweet you could have poured it on your pancakes.

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I too was, after one viewing, somewhat disappointed, and found myself actually being a bit bored at times, something that did NOT happen during either Satantango, Werckmeister Harmonies or Damnation (all scoring 10/10 from me). Difficult to pinpoint the reason but IMO the film lacked the "searching depth" of the above mentioned films, which was probably due to the subjec matter. Having said that, it is still a film well worth watching, and I will most certainly watch it again.

Terrific and spellbinding 10 mins. or so opening take.

Good to see a couple or so of Tarr regulars, including Erika Bok, the cat torturer from Satantango.


7.5/10 on one viewing

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It would be inartistic for Tarr to gratify some viewer's passion for spectacular. Even if he has said that he actually is always making the same film, there is no point in making another film like Satantango, an artist's viewpoint has to change to be able to convey something new.

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The first Bela Tarr film I watched was the colossal Satantango, and I must admit I’ve been disappointed with Bela’s films since. However, I do not see this as being due to the poor quality of his subsequent work, instead I think it is a testament to Satantango’s greatness. The film’s 7 hour running time allows Bela’s trademark slow tracking shots to tell a (moderately) complex story, I observe that when working within the confines of a 2 hour (such as TMFL) film Bela is restricted to ‘fragments’ of a story.

That said, his work is always refreshing in its subject matter and visually he stands alone. I found this film less open to interpretation than his other work – it being a fairly straightforward tale of murder and morality. At first the dubbing track jarred slightly, but as the story progressed I found that it actually added to the surreal and ethereal nature of the movie. His deeply contemplative style of cinematography exposes a beauty in the most mundane objects and actions - the boy playing football in the alley, the shots of light penetrating darkness visually expressing Maloin’s inner struggle, and the 13 minute opening sequence is Tarr at his most brilliantly atmospheric – I feel this sequence is a good indicator for whether or not you’re going to enjoy the rest of the film. If you’re not engrossed by the time the train leaves, it’s probably time to switch off the DVD.

Bela, as always, delivers something which demonstrates another side to cinema. This was never going to be everyone’s cup of tea, but a triumph nonetheless.

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Yes, I was disappointed. I was bored.

Oh, and while I'm at it...

"That said, his work is always refreshing in its subject matter and visually he stands alone. "

The poster above means to write: "That being said..." His writing "that said" is admittedly fashionable, but entirely incorrect English: "that" doesn't say anything! Thus, there is unquestionably a need for a "being" to remove the nonsense conveyed by simply writing "that said..."

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I thought it moved at a natural pace, and was genius in its execution, not giving us too much information, but just a little to taunt us. Some scenes effortlessly had me at the edge of my seat.

A very underseen film, and one of the best of decade. I personally thought this film surpassed Werckmeister, though both were excellent.

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I didn't like it so much of the first viewing. I admired it, but it felt it rather empty. I suppose part of the problem, both with this film and Damnation, is that the style is so complicated (needlessly?) that it overwhelms that rather slight and simple narrative. Having watched The Man from London a second time I now think it works rather well. It's really a classic noir film, but slowed down to such a level that the purgatory-like situation of the central character becomes awe-inspiring. I'd still rank it well behind Werckmeister Harmonies and Satantango, which are outstanding, but it's a lot better than the incredibly weak, rather meaningless Damnation.

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Damnation is one of the greatest cinematic examples of atmosphere


She gave me a smile so sweet you could have poured it on your pancakes.

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Well, technically, painting with light.

Dazzling photo direction.

From the pitch black of unknown depths, from acherontic biblical nothingness, from black void teemingly multiplied, to bursting coruscating comet tails of solar-eruptive lamplight.

Out of nothingness, Creation - a ship, one side sharp-white streaked with grime, the other side, impenetrable black nothingness.

It's the duality of nature - hard-fought virtue versus vice.

Maloin walks back and forth between absolute freedom from responsibility and aimlessness (ship) to grounded one-track direction (train). The windows are murky, his vision and morality are clouded.

Tarr's tenebristic lighting strokes the screen with radiating, eidetic blackness of nothingness, juxtaposed against blinding comet tails of electric light.

A struggle ensues in the unknown occulted blackness. So black that you can feel the chill of the night air fossilize your bones. The wavelets sound so crispated you can feel their knifey coldness icify your soul.

Maloin descends the watchtower, his body gliding through a shapeless contourless nightline, as hot white halated lights in the distance remain stationary, their blinding halation balefire kept back by the cold, unable to penetrate the pitch black nothingness of night.

The chilly atmosphere sharpens and heightens sounds as Maloin noctivagously walks towards you, the burning lamplight bathing his departing figure in a triangular glow.

Sounds are all distorted to perfection - Maloin is outside of himself looking at his environment, looking in, and from that psychological distance, sounds are distorted. Lips move but you don't hear. Normal sounds like the tapping of a cue ball echo through your eardrums. Normal shouting sounds like caterwauling.

The café is calm, the lighting is normal, Maloin is relaxed in his pitch black jacket. Burnt out bombed out pearly grey buildings. Two parallel rooftops become triangulated, the triangle of the skyline is overcast, whatever is hovering omnipotently above is too opaque to penetrate through the confusion, clearly defined and limited angles collide with boundless expanse of sky; Tarr is a master at telescoping architecture and skyspace and light together as a unified narrative device.

Maloin is bathed in the fiery centrifugal comet light of hope, he walks in multiple triangles and diagonals of light; his wife glides into a solar eruption emanating out of Maloin and through the window into the room; as she disappears into the solar prominence, she extinguishes the light, and in that split-second of her eclipse, thin diamond rings of light flash through the slats, the heat cools, the contours of the room become the ice cold black of premundane primordial nothingness. She is being blamed for extinguishing his dreams.

Dinner. A portrait of an impoverished exhausted family. A portrait of an empty and spent marriage.

Single boat. Black nothingness. The dust of comet tails. Maloin pulling the levers of his mind.

The autothaumaturgist Inspector arrives.

Mr. Brown's demise is Maloin's demise. Her husband: theatre ultra-bright, everything in blackness, box office in shadow, money taken. Maloin: train light ultra-bright, everything in blackness, watchtower in shadow, money taken.

Out of sync dubbing and catacoustics - when we are tormented, confused, asea, sounds are amplified, marginalized, distant. The kicking of the ball and the chopping of the meat and the click click click of cue balls are the nagging agonizing heartbeats of conscious. The squalling of the wife sounds otherworldly, the mouths move but the sounds we hear are distorted because our mental states are destroyed.

The Inspector's face is lit up white. Maloin knows Mr. Brown's life is in his hands.

Maloin sits on bed, bright light from window casting bright rays on floor; Maloin walking, sky pearled bright white; Henriette's job; a swathe of light stretches diagonally; butcher chops.

Interlude, joy.

Maolin buys himself a pipe, and his daughter fur. Pitch black behind register, camera pans to window framing sky mirroring lovely silvers and greys.

Maloin standing in bright light, wife upset over fur. Her anguish is distorted caterwalling. She sits at rest, portrait of peasant poverty.

And Maloin's piaculation begins...

The night is dark; light and spirits will become it well....

Spills blood of the human, by the human his blood will be spilled...

And the Viewer's piaculation begins...(I think he killed him and I wanted him to get away with it and I wished he killed the Inspector [man from London] whom I did not trust at all, so blacken me guilty).

Brilliantly shot and brilliantly paced and brilliantly mixed (sound) and brilliantly acted by Tilda Swinton and Miroslav Krobot.

Bravissimo Bela Tarr, and never stop directing.

10/10

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