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Misinformational Movie of the Year?


As a liscenced falconer myself, I find it hard to believe that Hollywood is going to show the amount of work, effort, money, dedication, and studying needed to train a red tailed hawk. I currently fly a red tail and i have little faith that this movie will portry anything close to what is required, to train a wild raptor.

I seriously hope i am wrong, but if not, then i can only guess at the slew of people who will be illegally attmpting to gain access to a red tailed hawk, as they are protected by the migratory bird treaty act, and you must be liscenced to possess one.

I see it as something close to flipper or lassie, only with a hawk.

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Misinformational? First of all that's not even a word. Secondly, I have never heard anyone be so judgemental or jump to such conclusions with so little information to base his "argument" on. This movie is not Hollywood, it is a small budget movie filmed in a small town about 2000 miles away from Hollywood. Third, you do not "seriously hope you are wrong," you would love to be right and tell everyone you told them so. You could be right; we'll have to wait to see the movie, but what good is being right if you are so judgemental to begin with that you are resigned to your own narrowmindedness and self-proclaimed "little faith?" I really hate to retaliate like this, but I felt this post had to be shot down off its high horse a little bit.

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Your comments about this movie sound a bit pompous! Take it from someone who was on set, I think you'll find your opinion very wrong! There was great care taken working with the hawks with professionals. Also, this movie has a great story!
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get over yourself...this is a great story and has tremendous photo appeal!!!

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By getting on your own high horse...Nice.
That is all.

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The film is not going to be about the hawk, man, it's going to be about the growth of the lead character...It's not some lassie film - that's absurd.

I think you need to relax and wait for the movie to come out. Or better yet, don't see it and just continue to complain...For you to write a rant like this means that you already have your mind made up to be all ornery about it. It's going to be a good film. I read the script...

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This film is based on a pretty good book by a great author, Harry Crews.

If the movie remains faithful to the book, it will show the level of effort required.

In any case, I highly doubt that this will be anything like flipper or lassie.

Book synopsis, from http://www.harrycrews.com/Fiction/Novels/index.html
Disavowing his family's expectations to mourn the death of his nephew, George Gattling focuses on breaking a captured hawk, an action that sets him on a course contrary to business and family responsibilities, but affords him psychological satisfaction.

I can't wait :)

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This is precisely the kind of outrage that makes me laugh out loud at the all so serious people out there who love to point out the so-called faults of Hollywood. IT IS A MOVIE! A story. The movie itself is based on a novel. That means FICTION. Got it? This bizarre desire that Hollywood be nothing more than a gristmill of stories of painstakingly realized stories is utterly ludicrous. You want a film about the ardorous process of training a wild red tail hawk? Then go make your own damn DOCUMENTARY.

Over and over I see people posting on the boards all over the IMDb about how "unrealistic" any given movie is. How "unrealistic" the dialogue is in "old" movies (and some contemporary ones as well). If you want realism I say stay at home and stare out your window and watch the real world. It's all so exciting, isn't it? Cars honking at each other, people pushing and shoving, cursing and insulting strangers for no reason, hyena-like laughing in restaurants, people tossing their trash everywhere except in a trash can, etc. etc. I love real life! Or better yet sit in a cafe and eavesdrop on the boring and inane "conversations" that take place in the real world. There's realism for you. Ooh what excitement. This is what people want in their movies these days? Ugh! Hollywood is about stories and characters. Stop demanding realism from the fiction factories of our culture.

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Hey, lassie was un-realistic, and what did it harm, nothing. Mainly because you had a bunch of goof balls talking to thier dogs. But movies have the ability to inspire. We are all inspired by movies. Thats why we watch them. Having a movie that portrays the training of a red tailed hawk that is "un-realistic" is going to inspire people to train them on thier own. Besides the fact they are a protected species, they are dangerous, they are fragile, it takes a LOT of damn studying, and even MORE hard work and patience, you can BET YOUR ASS im gonna be upset if it isn't realistic.

I REALLY do hope im wrong. Because if im right, than countless morons around the country will attempt it because they saw how easy it was in the movie. If it is portrayed correctly then ill be very happy, as it should inspire people to STUDY first, and get an idea of what REALISTICALLY to expect if you are interested in this. Hell, every time advertising agencies deem a certain breed of dog as "cute" animal shelters and rescue centers fill up with them becaus people buy em, then find out they don't like em. The EXACT same thing could happen with red tails, only the laws concerning them are much more strict. Not to mention that almost everyone in the country can't tell the difference between speices... God knows how many idiots out there will trap a peregrin falcon(threatened speices) and end up killing it while trying to feed it hamburger meat. See what im talking about?

High horse my butt. Sorry for being protective of an animal that i have seen with my own eyes, treated so poorly by the ill informed that the animal died because of thier caring nature.

Im sure it was all done profesionally, but its the STORY that will inspire, and if it inspires "un-realistically"... well, lets just say the emergency rooms of the country will certainly get thier fair share of facial and extremety laceration victims.

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Um, then I suppose that films like Beastmaster (which had the guy tame a hawk through his special powers) or any other film that has had any kind of animal be tamed or kept as a pet are going to send the masses running to conquer the animal kingdom? If that's the case, then the same standard applies for anything we see in films...be it horror films, fantasy films...
If I see a movie that portrays some guy doing a balancing act on an airplane while it's in the sky after training to do it...I'm not going to do the same thing. Apply this same sense of rational to a film that happens to have a hawk in it. Hawks are not cuddly creatures. They have big claws, sharp beaks, and are strong (I may not be an expert on birds like you are but I've been around many different kinds my whole life). We're not talking Lassie...we're talking about an animal that most people would approach with caution anyway.

Take the movie A Tiger's Tale. That shows a young man dealing with life who has a pet tiger, etc etc...
Did people run out and try to tame tigers after the making of this flick. I truly doubt it.

If we were talking about dogs, cats, ferrets, rabbits, horses, or something not as intimidating as a hawk, you might have a bit of concern - but then again, after films such as this ( I use Beastmaster again as an example, for it included ALL kinds of animals) are made, I don't think we have anything to worry about any more than serial killers on the rise after a horror movie.

I'm a total animal fanatic, but I believe that if people copy what they see in a movie it's because they have mental problems - which would have come out with or without a movie.

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You're clearly a complete idiot. You shouldn't even waste your time, or ours, by posting anything here.

Does life imitate art? Yes, sometimes. But it's also true that truth is much stranger than fiction. We have enough problems in the real world on which we should be focusing (and one great way to do that is not to vote for another idiot, mindless, uncaring Republican in 2008) rather than worry about some inconsequential nutcase trying to muck around with this bird.

If Paul Giamatti's in it, I'm sure it will be a wonderful film. He's an intelligent, thoughtful actor, and I don't think he'd do anything with him in the lead that doesn't show his character going through some measure of growth.

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Bob, I'm with you man. I only watched about half of the movie (explained in post about imdb rating for completely different reasons) and the guy just jumped into trying to train the hawk without any knowledge of what he was doing. Since I'm a birder, it bothered me quite a bit, like the lady at the party. I was saying "right on, woman!"

He caught the birds illegally and killed two before he finally trains the third. His methods were inappropriate and he had no training. I was upset that he would do this (it was STUPID) and by the response by others here shows that people don't care about or respect wildlife. Why does someone think it's okay to just go out and trap a wild bird of prey and try to tame it without the proper training? It pisses me off!

I understand care was taken on the set - that's not my point. I was uncomfortable watching an idiot trying to tame a wild hawk. I felt sorry for the hawk and the others that died in his care. I understand the premise of the story, but I wish he'd have tried to tame a horse.

And yes, people to go out and get pet tigers and contribute to the abundance of abandoned wild animals because they are not meant to be tamed!!


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bobthebird

I haven't seen the movie because they won't release the damned thing. In the meantime, read the book and relax. Don't worry, Harry Crews' work is anything but cute. The hawk isn't portrayed as an amiable little animal that tells the owner when their kid falls down a well.

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Emergency rooms of the country? This movie caters to a very limited crowd. This is not a box-office breaking, blockbuster film. This is a little art house flick, and, generally speaking, the people who are into watching little art house films generally aren't the kind of people that watch a movie and go, "Well God damn... now I need to get me one of them their hawk things. That's super nifty."

I mean, if this were Spider-man training a hawk, that's one thing. But this isn't. So what's the worry? And besides, you haven't even seen it yet.

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Are you going to judge an academy award winning drama because one rape scene may be "" IR-RESPONSIBLE" ??? Are you going to Overly Judge every single action Flick in the world for being irresponsibly Violent??? I would be more impressed with the fact that you have trained a hawk yourself if you weren't such a pompas Prick about it...

IT IS A MOVIE...

Was Doctor Doolittle "IR-RESPONSIBLE" ???? It showed a guy talking to a Bear? Should we now critisize all involved for not portraying it accurately because we are worried about a few Retards that might actually go out and Try to Emulate what they saw in the movie without any sort of formal training whatsoever??? THAT IS ASSININE... AS IS EVERY WORD THAT COMES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH>

I Have seen this movie, (But that is not the point is it?) You weren't critisizing the movie as YOU HAD NEVER SEEN IT. NOT ONLY WERE YOU MAKING AN ASSININE ARGUMENT THAT --BY GOD, THIS MOVIE BETTER BE FACTUALLY ACCURATE-- WHEN THAT WORD ""FACTUALLY ACURATE"" IS REDICULOUS WHEN DEALING WITH A WORK OF """FICTION"""... BUT YOU HAVE ALSO DONE SO WITHOUT EVEN HAVING SEEN THE MOVIE YET<

>>> BOY ... WHAT A LEAP ...

IF YOU ASK ME THAT IS SOMEONE JUST -WAITING- TO GET UP ON THEIR SOAP BOX AND PREACH....

I think the other guy had a good idea, YOU NEED TO FILM YOUR OWN DOCUMENTARY IF YOU WANT THE TRAINING OF A RED TAILED HAWK TO BE PORTRAYED ""FACTUALLY ACCURATE"" AS THIS HERE WAS A WORK OF FICTION AND THE STORY WAS NOT ABOUT THE METHOD USED OR NOT USED FOR TRAINING THE HAWK, IT WAS ABOUT THE SPIRITUAL GROWTH OF THE MAIN CHARACTER... AND ANYONE WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THAT AND WANTS TO ATTEMPT TO EMULATE WHAT THEY SAW IN THIS MOVIE WITHOUT PROPER RESEARCH AND TRAINING THEMSELVES, IS JUST AS BIG A RETARD AS THE IDIOT THAT WATCHES SUPERMAN AND THINKS HE WANTS TO TRY TO FLY SO HE JUMPS OFF HIS ROOF IN HIS PAJAMAS.....

DUDE....
GET A LIFE....

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Having studied computers, archery, and martial arts; I have been disappointed everytime when it comes to technical accuracy. Face it...its hollywood. But don't forget that technical accuracy is unnecessary to make a great movie.

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Do you think that Sideways is going to be responsible for turning millions of people into alcoholics?

There's a reason that "falconing" has never become a national craze: It's lame. It's the type of hobby that somebody who frequents Renaissance festivals would take up.

So don't get your tights in a twist. If this movie results in any sort of hawk mistreatment, I will personally purchase you a goblet of mead.

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Hey dimwit, maybe you need to see Sideways again; Sideways wasn't about being an alcoholic. It did deal with appreciating wine and after the movie opened the sales of pinot noir went up by 22 percent. But you're probably right and I'm sure NO ONE is drinking to excess or even <gasp> getting drunk If this movie turns out to be any good I'm sure there will be plenty of people who will romanticize the idea of training their own hawks without any previous experience. People seem to mimic what they see on the big screen. Next time you cite an example to bolster your arguement you should give it a little more thought. Try not to hurt yourself....

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Thanks, tronbomb, for keeping it clean. You knucklehead.

I know that Sideways wasn't about being an alcoholic...that was my point. (Although I will say that a few characters in Sideways exhibited signs of alcoholism, but they brushed it off as simply being wine connoisseurs. Example: Jack accusing Miles of being hung over. To which Miles replies, "There was a tasting last night.") The main themes in the movie weren't alcoholism, but if you think that wasn't intended to be a part of it you are nuts.

And I'm afraid that there is a slight difference between buying a ten dollar bottle of wine and shelling out hundreds of dollars to care for a bird of prey. And before you pick on that small detail, I know that there are bottles that cost more than ten dollars.

Since you seem to be the guy with all the statistics, did "hawk sales" go up at all after the Royal Tenenbaums came out?

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Okay so to straighten this up, Sideways isn't about being an alcoholic but it will probably lead to some people abusing alcohol (which was my point). Are you trying to say this isn't correct or are you agreeing with me? It sounds like you agree.
I doubt hawk sales increased after Royal Tenenbaums (such a small side plot) but if you're familiar with 101 Dalmatians then you'd know what can happen when people imitate art. There were so many misguided people clamoring to buy purebred Dalmatians (which isn't a 10 dollar investment either) that many Dalmatians were inadvertently abused. That fact that purebred dogs cost hundreds of dollars and a lifetime (of the dog) commitment didn't stop a flood of Dalmatians at local SPCA pounds all over the country after people decided they didn’t have the time/patients for a dog. To this day Dalmatians are also prone to genetic disorders due to heavy inbreeding (to keep up with consumer demands).
So Dim, are you still so sure it’s a crazy notion hawks might get abused after romanticize the idea of owning their own bird of prey?
And as a sidenote, I can hardly wait for this movie to come out because Harry Crews is one of my favorite authors, I don’t want what I’m saying to make it seem as though I’m against the movie.

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Careful, your ignorance is showing. I really doubt that the 4000 practicing falconers in the US fit your rather misinformed stereotype. What most of the falconry community has a problem with is the references to "breaking" the hawk and other references about the hawk needing to be nearly killed in the training. The truth is really very different.

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harry crews is a falconer cheers jjs

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Should any of this be the responsibility of the film makers?

Fight Clubs have been started, Dalmations abused, People started eating Fava beans. Ferris Bueller made it trendy to skip school, PCU had people throwing meat, and I'm sure more than one person tried heroine as a result of having watched Trainspotting.

Kids are jumping off their roofs immitating wrestlers, Burning things thanks to Beavis & Butthead, and a woman actually froze to death attempting to find an unclaimed fortune buried in a snow bank on a roadside in Minnesota.

My point being, people are idiots, and are going to do stupid idiotic things. Blaming this movie for the mistreatment of Hawks (before even seeing it) is just another way of passing the buck, and misplacing the blame.

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For some reason I think the original poster did not even read the novel, or have any idea what the movie is about outside of of its single sentence sypnosis. I get the feeling he also just posted to brag about how he is a falconer, because this is about as interesting as his life gets.



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I don't do falconry, I work at a raptor rehabilitation clinic, and believe you me, we see over 700 injured and orphaned birds each year, and some of the people who bring them in have hurt them even more than they already were by trying to help, thinking raptor rehabilitation is something anyone can do. In many cases, they damage the birds so severaly that they can never be returned to the wild. I think a lot of people on this message board have good points about hollywood's lack of responsibility for our own behavior, and how the people who imitate what they see on the screen are to blame, but we have to remember that you are trivializing the safety of wild animals who are threatened by all sorts of human activities already, who have no voice with which to defend themselves. if you really think it's the few crazy people who come into contact with hawks, you haven't read the statistics regarding how many injured raptors are treated at facilities in your area... and those birds are almost always found by average people (who might see movies like this), not raptor experts. It also makes me sad that people are saying there are bigger problems in the world than raptor safety, because if you're telling people not to care about the issues they choose to champion, is that truly going to help us build a better world for us all?

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What you clowns do not understand is that,

I AM SURE THAT DEEP DOWN, WE ALL AGREE WITH YOUR MAJOR POINTS AND WOULD SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR ISSUE HAD IT BEEN BROUGHT UP IN IT'S """RELEVANT""" FORUM...

Im Sorry but a '""" Fictional Work of Art """' Is not the appropriate SOAP BOX For This SERMEN you guys are Preaching....

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YOU SAID IT MAN.

About a simply stated as could be,
This guy is a LOOSER and Was just looking for a reason to jump on his soap box and do some Preachin' to have a little attention pointed his way.

SAD...

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This guy is hilarious!! this board made me laugh so damn much I almost pissed myself... almost.

Anywho, to think that more than maybe... let us be generous 5 people on the entire planet ACTUALLY go get a hawk strictly because of this movie, is rediculous.

The only thing I keep thinking about is the target audience for this movie... is it really aimed at the tired, misinformed, housewife that gets her 8 kids some dalmations to shut them up?

"Mommy, can we get a hawk like in The Hawk is Dying? it's my favorite movie right after Finding Nemo and Shrek 2, I just liked Paul Giamatti's portrayal as a failed author and wino so much in Sideways, and now his lackluster attempt to train a hawk has convinced me. I must get a hawk now... please mommy?

Or maybe something quite different.

"Yo Bitch, what up? I'm here ta buy a hawk."
"Ok sir can I see your license?"
"I aint got no license!I just want a hawk to play with my 27 rottweiler's that I train."
"Oh in that case here you go sir that'll be $800"

I would say niether really... I think this movie will be like most other independent films, no one except myself and the few who actually liked Garden State More than Nepolean Dynamite will watch it.

Oh Chist this is stupid, get a life Bob the bird. God this post is almost as dumb as the original, wellI guess thats what happens when you post while your drunk trying to break a Falcon, I should stop doing this so often.

By the way cant wait for this movie, Mr Giamatti is the best.

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I think we ALL agree the OP is an idiot
So the movie MIGHT get people interested in the craft and they will look into it.
After watching "Explorers" kids wanted to learn about astronomy, they weren't outside building spaceships out of garbage cans.

who the hell even KNOWS where there is red-tailed hawks? Or how to recognize them? And if they do, they probably have an interest in it already anyways so they know what not to do.

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Okay, I only have one or two things I'd like to add to some of the stuff that's already been said here. Firstly, BobTheBird, I can see where you're coming from but you really made what you had to say sound arrogant and managed to piss people off. As someone who did falconry for a few years I know why you get upset by the rubbish you sometimes see in movies regarding falconry but putting down a film even before you've seen it is over the top. Secondly, to the guy who said these movies won't make people want to go out and capture Redtails to train them - you're wrong. Have you ever heard of the English movie called Kes. It's about a young boy who takes a Kestrel from the wild and trains it. That movie inspired hundreds of kids to go out and raid Kestrel nests to train them. How do I know? Because being a falconer you meet other like minded people and I lost count of the number who told me they got into falconry after seeing Kes and went out and took a Kestrel from the wild. Having trained a Redtail myself, (captive bred btw, I live in the UK and we don't have them wild anyway), BobTheBird is right when he says they're fragile. It sounds dumb that a predator can be 'fragile', I know, but they are. They're prone to foot infections like 'bumblefoot' (sry, that's what we call it in the UK, might be different in other countries), the foot gets infected, swells to twice it's size and if left untreated will cause blood poisoning and death pretty quickly. I could name other problems Redtails seem particularly prone too besides. In short, taking them from the wild is a bad idea, unless you know what you're doing and have a permit from the Dep Of Enviroment (or whatever you have where you are). If you see this movie and fancy trying falconry, take a falconry coarse and get taught bby experts. To the person who said something about, "there's more important things to worry about", - if we just forgot about 'everything else', just because there's "more important things to worry about", the world would fall to pieces. And in nature especially, we'd have a lot of extinct animals by now. Maybe it doesn't matter to you but here's a newsflash - the world doesn't revolve around you or the things you worry about.

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Well I didn't expect to be back on this board 2 years later... but alas I'd like to add my final 2 cents.

It all comes down to numbers.

Roughly 9,000,000 people saw jackass number two in theatres... how many ppl have gotten injured or even killed doing the stupid *beep* they see in that dumb (YET HILARIOUS) film? Way too many right? yet that was a mass marketed, MTV advertized movie... how many ppl do you think will HONESTLY see this little artsy indie movie? right now according to www.boxofficemojo.com its only made $2,777 domestically... even if you add the screenings and film fests and whatnot what number of ppl are we really talking here? maybe 20,000 ppl?

What are the chences one of those 20,000 ppl will try training a hawk?

Honestly I hope quite a few because I'd love to see that bombardment of YouTube posts showing these "trainers" being attecked by their "Pets" should that type of person have access to hawks? no. should they block the release of a little un-sellable (apparently) movie released by a distributor I've never even heard of? (Strand Inc, biggest release EVEN was 1999's Edge of seventeen grossed $872,000, yeah I never heard of it either)

I wish everone was as concerned with world hunger or problems in Darfur as much as these poor defenseless hawks... perhaps if angelina Jolie or Ryan gosling took a little sick puppy over their and made it world poveries macot ppl would pay attention to it more... kinda sad.

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Listen here guys,

Here is a likeable guy that sounds like he knows what he is taking about and is not a Pompas Ass.

OOoo Melnibone2001 ooOO I appreciate your time to post here and agree with everything you said as well as appreciate your Poise. Your not here tooting your own horn, your not making rash judgements without even having even viewed the film yet. You sound like a genuinely nice guy that knows what he is talking about and cares about what he does.

With that said,

I Still have to say that no matter how great of a point that you guys make. IT JUST IS NOT THE RIGHT FORUM FOR YOU TO BE PREACHING THIS STUFF??? We are talking about a WORK OF FICTION. IF YOU WANT FACTUALLY ACCURATE. Then guys. STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM WORKS OF FICTION...

Holy jesus, in your lifetime you could not count all the things that may be (Irresponsible, due to being Factually Inaccurate) In our modern day CINEMA & MOTION PICTURES. Alot of which are alot more irresponsible than simply Showing a wrong way to Train a Hawk...

THE POINT IS. THAT IT IS MEANT TO BE FICTION. IT IS MEANT TO ENTERTAIN WHILE AT THE SAME TIME BEING UNDERSTOOD THAT IT IS ""NOT REAL"" FICTION...

That is the whole POINT of Motion Pictures. That is what this guy, *(The original Poster)* Does not understand. THAT THIS IS BY NO MEANS A VENUE FOR HIS SOAP BOX PREACHINGS....

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