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This whole problem could been solved so easily


1, the king grows a pair and actually does something about humans taking his surf. He didn't need to kill everyone with his Golden Army but just remind them of their truce. Keeping a truce that the other side has broken anyway is just stupid. Anything would have been better than just letting your people fade away. He was a terrible ruler, just as bad as his son.

2, melt the crown in the first place. In the end, it's as simple as Liz melting it. They could have done it in the beginning. The king could have done it instead of just splitting it into pieces.

3, kill the princess. The bad guy's life is tied to her's. In fact if she's so willing to kill herself anyway, she should have done just that in the first place.

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1. He wanted peace more than anything.

2. He couldn't melt it since it was split up between the 3 of them.

3. That would be sadistic and evil. Could YOU kill your sister/daughter/lover?

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He sentenced Nuada to death which would have killed the sister anyway. It would have ended better if they just quietly killed her. Same result.

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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It would have ended better if they just quietly killed her. Same result.


Who's they? She ran away once her brother killed her father so not the guards.

Abe certainly wouldn't have wanted anyone to kill her.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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When her father sentenced Nuada to death, the guards should have just killed her. They both would die. Path of least resistance :)

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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Ahh, but the sentence was not placed on her. It was placed on Nuada. The guards were required to kill him. Not her. Her death would be a side effect.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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Semantics :)


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It's not semantics to the guards, who must obey a King's direct orders. The princess was not the accused.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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Meh. You don't know their laws.

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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I know monarchies.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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As the old saying goes: A difference that makes no difference, is no difference. :)


I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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1. He wanted peace more than anything.


A peace that meant the death of his people. He was committing genocide.

2. He couldn't melt it since it was split up between the 3 of them.


He could have melted the crown before splitting in three pieces.

3. That would be sadistic and evil. Could YOU kill your sister/daughter/lover?


Yes

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1) It takes greater strength to maintain peace than to declare all out war. The king saw what war can do and wanted no part of it.

2) A good point. Though maybe they're not quick to destroy ancient relics.

3) No. Nuada was sentenced to execution. Not his sister. And she wasn't "so willing" to kill herself. It was a last resort when she realized nothing would ever stop Nuada. Suicide is not a first option.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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1) It takes greater strength to maintain peace than to declare all out war. The king saw what war can do and wanted no part of it.


No, it doesn't. Especially when the price of peace is greater than the price of war. The king was a coward that deserved to die.

3) No. Nuada was sentenced to execution. Not his sister. And she wasn't "so willing" to kill herself. It was a last resort when she realized nothing would ever stop Nuada. Suicide is not a first option.


But his sister would die anyway. It makes more sense to just kill her as she's easier to get to.

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Sadly, the king had realized his people's time had come. A war would mean an immediate genocide. They'd have no chance against the human's new weapons. Even with the golden army. It takes a strong king not to engage in a pointless, futile war. Besides, as we saw with the troll market, his people seemed to be doing ok.

And again, the sentence wasn't on the sister. It was on the Prince. Plus, she'd run away. How do people miss that? It's not easier to kill someone who isn't there.


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Sadly, the king had realized his people's time had come.


Any excuse to be a coward.

A war would mean an immediate genocide.


So would peace.

They'd have no chance against the human's new weapons.


They have a Golden Army.

Even with the golden army.


The Golden Army were indestructible. The only reason the "bad" guy lost was because he was dumb enough to fight Hellboy directly. If he had not accepted his one on one combat, he would have won. How would the humans beat that.

It takes a strong king not to engage in a pointless, futile war.


Good thing it wasn't pointless or futile then thanks to their Golden Army.

And again, the sentence wasn't on the sister. It was on the Prince.


Which means nothing.

Plus, she'd run away. How do people miss that? It's not easier to kill someone who isn't there.


Yeah, afterwards. He could have just had a guard slit her throat before that.

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Any excuse to be a coward.


Not at all. Takes greater strength to maintain peace than to declare war.

So would peace.


No. Because they could still live out peacefully in secret for much longer than in an open war.

They have a Golden Army.


That can be blown apart with bazookas, rockets, ICBM's, nuclear war heads, etc. Even if they can rebuild themselves, the king's people would be slaughtered.

Good thing it wasn't pointless or futile then thanks to their Golden Army.


Totally futile with the human's weapons. An army made of gold doesn't stand a chance against planes and tanks made of steel. Gold is very soft and brittle.

Which means nothing.


Means everything to her father.

Yeah, afterwards. He could have just had a guard slit her throat before that.


Again, the sentence wasn't on her.

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Not at all. Takes greater strength to maintain peace than to declare war.


That peace was killing his people. That's not strength. That's stupidity.

No. Because they could still live out peacefully in secret for much longer than in an open war.


But they would die. It they sued the Golden Army, that'd have lived.

That can be blown apart with bazookas, rockets, ICBM's, nuclear war heads, etc. Even if they can rebuild themselves, the king's people would be slaughtered.


It would rebuild faster than it can be destroyed. Plus, the king's people wouldn't need to go to war. Just let the Golden Army do it for them. It would be the military that get slaughtered.

Totally futile with the human's weapons. An army made of gold doesn't stand a chance against planes and tanks made of steel. Gold is very soft and brittle.


You do realise it was a magic army, right?

Means everything to her father.


Because he's retarded.

Again, the sentence wasn't on her.


Who cares? It gets the job done.

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That peace was killing his people. That's not strength. That's stupidity.


Nope. The king knew a war would be the immediate extinction of his people. That'd be a bigger stupidity to openly reveal his people to the humans. Now the humans have a common enemy.

It would rebuild faster than it can be destroyed.


Nope. One ICBM would blow hundreds to pieces and scatter them for hundreds if not thousands of feet. It would take a while for those pieces to crawl to each other to rebuild.

You do realise it was a magic army, right?


Yes. A close-quarter combat army with swords. That's useless against rockets, tanks, planes, missiles, and bombs. Heck, we've got missiles we can launch from ships in the ocean. The golden army would never even get close to the humans.

One nuclear bomb would disintegrate them. Can't rebuild themselves if there's nothing left.

Because he's retarded.


Nope. Because he cares for his daughter.

Who cares?


Her father.

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Nope. The king knew a war would be the immediate extinction of his people. That'd be a bigger stupidity to openly reveal his people to the humans. Now the humans have a common enemy.


And dying off slowly is better?

Nope. One ICBM would blow hundreds to pieces and scatter them for hundreds if not thousands of feet. It would take a while for those pieces to crawl to each other to rebuild.


No, it wouldn't. Even if they manage to blow up one of them to that extent (which is assuming they are be destroyed through conventional means, the ones we saw reacquired the Fist of Doom and a ghost possessing one of their own and even that didm;t stop them), there is a massive army of them.

Yes. A close-quarter combat army with swords. That's useless against rockets, tanks, planes, missiles, and bombs. Heck, we've got missiles we can launch from ships in the ocean. The golden army would never even get close to the humans.

One nuclear bomb would disintegrate them. Can't rebuild themselves if there's nothing left.


Except for the fact they're indestructible. You're not gonna be able to disintegrate them.

Nope. Because he cares for his daughter.


Yet, is happy to kill her its pointless keeping her alive when her brother's death would kill her anyway.

Her father.


We've already established he's a retard.

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Yes, it is better. At least his people won't be butchered.


No, it wouldn't. Even if they manage to blow up one of them to that extent (which is assuming they are be destroyed through conventional means, the ones we saw reacquired the Fist of Doom and a ghost possessing one of their own and even that didm;t stop them), there is a massive army of them.


We saw Liz using guns on them, so they can be taken out with conventional means. And it's not a massive army. It's 70 x 70. 4900. That's small.

Except for the fact they're indestructible. You're not gonna be able to disintegrate them.


If bullets can blow parts off them, a nuclear explosion will leave nothing of them.

Yet, is happy to kill her its pointless keeping her alive when her brother's death would kill her anyway.


Nope. He's not happy at all about it. And again, the brother was to be executed, not her. But he was just too good a fighter.


We've already established he's a retard.


Not at all.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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Yes, it is better. At least his people won't be butchered.


But they would still die.

We saw Liz using guns on them, so they can be taken out with conventional means. And it's not a massive army. It's 70 x 70. 4900. That's small.


Except they would they would repair almost instantly.

If bullets can blow parts off them, a nuclear explosion will leave nothing of them.


Blowing parts of them off would the most they can do, they would just come back together and continue attacking.

Nope. He's not happy at all about it. And again, the brother was to be executed, not her. But he was just too good a fighter.


More reason to kill her. Plus, he was happy to let his people die like a coward. He deserved to die.

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But they would still die.


We all die. But we're not all slaughtered. There's a difference.

Except they would they would repair almost instantly.


Except the movie showed that it is not instantly. The parts have to crawl to each other. The farther away, the longer it takes.

Blowing parts of them off would the most they can do


No. A nuclear explosion would disintegrate them.

More reason to kill her. Plus, he was happy to let his people die like a coward. He deserved to die.


Incorrect. He wasn't happy about it, nor was he a coward.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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We all die. But we're not all slaughtered. There's a difference.


That's retarded.

Except the movie showed that it is not instantly. The parts have to crawl to each other. The farther away, the longer it takes.


But they would do so.

No. A nuclear explosion would disintegrate them.


Prove it.

Incorrect. He wasn't happy about it, nor was he a coward.


A king who lets his enemy walk over his people and allow his people to die for stupid reasons is a coward.

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That's retarded.


No. There actually is a difference between dying and being killed.

But they would do so.


Not instantaneously, as you claimed.

Prove it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_explosion

A king who lets his enemy walk over his people and allow his people to die for stupid reasons is a coward.


Incorrect. That's not what happened. They weren't enemies. There was a peace. A peace the king and his people implemented since they had won the original war.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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The king didn't even try and he's giving up on his people's future? I don't get you people calling him a strong King by accepting the genocide of his people without a fight. So If people decide to attack your country and slaughter your people with a president/prime minister who won't lift a finger, does that mean your leader is strong and brave?

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