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hindi picture, english dialogues

posted 19 years ago by rakma
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I dont understand the logic of having english dialogues in an hindi film. In a country having 50 crore hindi speaking people, having a hindi name film and 50% of dialogues in english is stupid idiotic and disgusting. Either all the dialogues should be in hindi or english. only about 5 % people understand english and only 1 % understand english and hindi both. To restrict your audience to that 1 % is ludicrous and self damaging. Moreover, what does it symbolise or indicate. Through a film a story is told, some point is made, if your audience fails to understand what are you saying, no point is served by simply accurately recomposing a scenario. Look for example film gandhi, in this even english rulers spoke in hindi, because if the audience does not understand what they are saying, what is the point of making the film. I hope my point is understood.

rakma

[–] ecapur 19 years ago

I would appreciate if people like rakma would understand the real point and aim of the movie and stop insulting good cinema. Dont give us stats about who speaks english and who doesn't. Grow up and look beyond... Thats what Mr Mishra wanted us to and you have failed in doing so.
Regards
Manish

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[–] soumya1986 19 years ago

You think this would be a Hinglish film , Rakma? Seriously , you're telling me it would have looked better had the whole thing been done completely in Hindi or completely English ? Let me ask you one thing - is this what you do? Do you live with speaking only in English ? Maybe Hindi? Forget movie audiences , forget who is watching this film and forget how many of the country understand English , you create a film when you have characters who are believable . That comes first and foremost , and only then you think of your audience .

And you don't have to think of your audience for a film which is good ; the film finds its own .

Making everyone speaking completely in one language in such a film is worse than asking them not to speak and act out their dialogues throughout the movie . The latter sounds much better , actually .

[–] zaph-3 19 years ago

the movie was about people in their early 20's - 2 idealistic intellectual elites, and 1 realistic yet ambitious small towner. keeping that in mind i found the mixture of languages quite logical. i don't see people in delhi university or JNU speaking exclusively in any one language.

as a director you choose how you want to impact the audience; maximize the force or maximise the spread. a movie is like pebbles in a director's hand. he can either take a handful and toss them at the audience, or just take one and really crack open a single person's skull. one cannot make a value judgement on which option is better, it is just a matter of the director's opinion.

[–] nehavish 19 years ago

I think ppl forget that Hindi is not the mother tongue of most people in India. If English is understood by a small percentage, the capacity to understand Hindi is no better.

The movie demands English dialogues, and it doesn't feel like an eye or ear sore.. It falls simply in line with the *Feel* of the movie.

[–] shailendra-mishra 18 years ago

Can I suggest one thing Mr. Dinkar. who has to use this english letter "sun" to let the whole world feel what does his name mean.
no offenses meant but, I suggest that you sit down at home and watch all feel good movies of the mumbai or save the world movie of hollywood. Don't waste your precious time watching such movies and waste your and mine time giving your comments. World will be better without guys like you.

[–] ecapur 19 years ago

I hope "DINKAR" is set free of his mental blocks. As stressed enough, neither Hindi nor English.. but rather Hinglish best represents the natural young Indian language. Mr Mishra doesn't show any signs of a "slave" attitude... The very fact that his movies can stir up such controversies goes on to prove that he's an independent thinker. Lets all just stop taking the "message" in the movie so seriously and enjoy the movie itself... I personaly like it because it flows like a well written poem.

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[–] pablo16 18 years ago

Well, Sudhir MIshra doesn't seem to be very optimistic about Socialism so he might have used English as the main language deliberately for separatism!!! But seriously I don't think illiterate people would see this film even if it was made in hindi- so its better to infuse a universal appeal with English i guess.

Emancipation from the bondage of the soil/is no freedom for the tree.
Rabindranath Tagore

[–] ukickmydawg 18 years ago

who cares if its a hinglish movie. big *beep*ing deal....its better than 99% of the crap that is being made in bollywood.I cant believe the lead cast isnt being considered for any awards in bollywood, which is a shame.

[–] shalinjain82 18 years ago

Even Rang de basanti is not for the Mass. They made the english women speak excellent hindi. I think the this movie comes lot more closer to realism. You have Kannada, Punjabi, English, Hindi, Urdu, Bengali.

Did you guys notice how Lagaan was made? It was a mass movie from scene 1. When a group for english men spoke to themselves they spoke only english. when they spoke to villagers they tried speaking hindi. And every-time only english conversations were on Big B (i guess) did the narration for it. I think that was excellently handled.

I think this movie is excellent. Very original and very well made. No heroism, no fantasies, just realism! Cinema is cinema. You don't want to do everything that should appeal to a mass! Like a painter, a director should get full freedom to make what he thinks is right. A 8.5 rating IMDB is no joke! My 10/10 to encourage directors to make more movies like it!

[–] ukickmydawg 18 years ago

agreed....well said shalinjain82

[–] darshan_bildikar 18 years ago

For all you people going purple in the face about why this movie has english dialogs, might I just point out that you're having this discussion in english too.

It's high time people realize that Indian movies do not need to cater to the lowest common denominator anymore. The time of "niche" is in and thank god for that.

Hazaaron... is a great movie. It's not a movie trying send out a social message. It's not even about any particular issue.

It allows people of our generation to understand a little bit about what was going on in the 70's. What's *MOST* interesting about the film is where the characters start out and how they end up. In totally different directions that they indended.

I think you realize as you get older that you're not that much in control of your life as you'd like to be. And I think that's the point the film is trying to make. It doesn't tell us that idealism is good or that corruption is bad. All it says is that at the end of the day you never know where life's going to take you. To some people that might be a sobering and depressing thought. But that's how it goes.

[–] tanhaadil 18 years ago

Dude you nailed it....end to this post...

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[–] jassi042002 18 years ago

"its embaressing ....very painful...its like nails on a black board screeching..."

dude you don't even know how to spell, "embarrassing."

p.s. no one is perfect.

[–] karthik_ravikanti 17 years ago

Actually the south Indian laguage was Telugu, not Kannada. :-D

[–] sahuman 17 years ago

I think the decision of using English was more to do with getting International exposure. The point is, the film does lose quite a lot of impact just because of the choice of English. It isn't even realistic - Sanjay Gandhi and his kurta clad congress cronies discussing in English is laughable. And when you have spent years in a naxal affected Bhojpur, do you speak English in everyday conversation? Why wasn't English used in the college campus of Yeh woh Manzil to Nahin? I do understand that it was the filmaker's choice. But a wrong one.

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[–] duaatul 16 years ago

Good point. The English of the movie is more of American than British. And one would think that the English then was more British.

But this discussion on whether English should be used or not is ridiculous. It does helps the plot. And that's what director wanted to show, the story of the three 'english speaking' folks!

[–] exinator 16 years ago

In a country having 50 crore hindi speaking people, having a hindi name film and 50% of dialogues in english is stupid idiotic and disgusting.

only about 5 % people understand english and only 1 % understand english and hindi both.

u mean to say that in india, only 5% of the entire population knows / understands english?? i'd like to know the source of your stats and the source of your existence because they're equally hillarious.