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Watch the first part, skip the second..


First part is thrilling, well paced, and excellent. Second part falls apart, never recovers.

The issue is not the film itself (it's well made) but an unfocused story. The framing device used (we know how it ends) gets sucked out the drama when it becomes an extended sequence in the second film. By then, almost 4 hours have gone by and the movie spends too much time on subplots that don't pay off the second.

It isn't necessary to get the whole story arc to enjoy the movie, everything about the character is told well in the first part.

Vincent Cassel (an actor I greatly admire) gives the performance of a lifetime as Jaqcues Mesrine, notorious French bank robber. He's charming and a total anti hero, in the tradition of bad guys who we root for. The movie doesn't give him a worthy adversary to test him, so the cops come across as incredibly inept even by movie standards. This is a flaw as any good character needs an antigonist to complete him. Vincent overlooks this and presents the character in all his glory, he is not a complex man but one driven by his ideals in what he does is right. Unlike Scarface, there isn't a subtext to his reason or at less the movie doesn't make it it's focus. He loves the media and uses it to cultivate his infamy, for reputation is what drives him. Nothing is off putting considering how dangerous and unlikeable the character is in conception. The scene were he puts the gun on his Wife's mouth is toeing the line, yet the movie reverts back to his charming self. When his daughter shows up later in the story and suddenly loves him (he walked out on her as a baby) I didn't believe it at all. The film isn't critical of him at all, I think that's the biggest problem. Morally gray characters have to have an arc that satisfies dramatically so their outcome is more powerful. Ok that's nitpicking.

A film of any anti hero must take a stand, neither morally but how the logic of that character's life ends up. The opening is the moral of the story somewhat, but as an audience member I didn't feel that way after the second part.

The second film shifts the tone and the flaws become greater upon inspection. Characters show up and there's no back story (who's the guy who helps him? we never see how they met) and too much time spent on shootouts after shootout instead of escalating the character's life or family or increasing vulnerability to satisfactory levels. It's a problem with the script, not the acting or directing.

We loved the story of the gangster, when the story gets away from the character and the subplot of the journalist kicks in it never recovers from the momentum it sets up. Bad move in great movie. I would have liked to know who killed him, just like there was enough room for other character development.

If I can tie up this story to anything, it's the story of George Jung or Bonnie and Clyde. There are shades of both as well as a nod to Le Cercle Rogue by Jean Pierre Melville. There was opportunity for a great bank robbery in the film, why didn't they use it! hahaha

It's a great story, but like I said I hated the second part sans the daring prison escape. There's dumb parts too but I'll leave those up to you.

A- for first film, C+ for second (B for the prison escape).

Saw it on the internet.

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I don't agree, both films are great. And must be seen together as one film.

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Mesrine actually said or wrote those things. A lot of the things he says in the movies are things he really said, like the "jail you can't escape from" when he refers to his coffin. Some of his interviews can be found around the web, either written or even recorded.

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After an excellent first film, I was a bit worried the second installment might be a bit of an anticlimax. But, on the contrary, I thought it was just as good... Not that I can claim to be a connoisseur of the crime genre - it was probably only Monsieur Cassel and the very good reviews that drew me to these two... I suppose presenting someone's entire life is always problematic... I saw "Coco avant Chanel" the other week and lots of people on the board for that are like: "Such and such should have been included!", "I wanted to see more of X!", etc... The film-maker has to make [no doubt difficult] decisions about what to include and what to leave out; what to focus on and what to treat as secondary... Human lives can be messy and biopics should, without being completely chaotic, reflect that... I enjoyed this a lot... The scene between Mesrine and his dad was beautiful... And, everyone in the cinema loved the line about how you had to be really stupid to be caught by the Belgian police.

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I thought both were equally good. I liked the fact that the director didn't go with the usual "rise and fall" type of storytelling for this movie.

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I totally agree with the OP. I saw both parts on the big screen a week apart and I was baffled by part 2 - it felt like a different screenwriter and director had taken over at the last minute and hashed something together to extend the running time. The script was *so* much tighter and more interesting in part 1 - there was complexity of character, and backstory, and tension. All the great scenes with his wife and kids; with Depardieu's crime boss, the Canadian millionaire, the solitary confinement and jailbreak. None of that in part 2; it was mainly repetitive bank jobs, car chases with some odd humour and some plot-hole nonsense thrown in. None of the supporting characters were as interesting - Sylvia came from nowhere with no backstory and failed entirely to interest me in the way Mesrine's wife or long time girlfriend of Part 1 did.

A major problem for me was the way nobody seemed to be treating him as the Mesrine of Part 1 or take him very seriously as a threat. We know from a previous two hours of film the number of jobs he's done and the audacious escape he made from the max security prison (and violent return to bust his comrades out) - why does no one else seem to know this? Why is he vaguely comical to the police who escort him, or game for a bit of banter and champagne on arrest? Why isn't his door being kicked in and tear gas deployed. It just seemed like total nonsense for France's public enemy No 1 to be treated like a part timer.

I have to say you really wouldn't miss much if you only watched part 1 as Mesrine's whole story is laid out for you given you see how he dies right at the very start - I think the only scenes I would have missed were the breakfast table / roadblock / crossing the river section of the film after the jailbreak. (While I'm on the jailbreak what's the deal with the lady lawyer - *as if* she wouldn't be the prime and only suspect enabling him to escape, and they would have checked her bag for guns anyway. If they didn't they should have made a point of it because it was just dumb the way they played it the film.) Also there's a strange amount of copying going on between the two parts (the kidnap of the millionaire, the robbing two banks across the street at the same time, the big break out of maximum security, the execution of a man lead unsuspecting to his death) - none of which were as good as the first.

I don't get how people think these two films are two halves of the same coin - I didn't think they were even close.
Like the OP - Part 1: 4.5 out of 5, Part 2: 3 out of 5, but mainly for Cassel's acting expertise.


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Dombrewer said:
"Why is he vaguely comical to the police who escort him, or game for a bit of banter and champagne on arrest? Why isn't his door being kicked in and tear gas deployed. It just seemed like total nonsense for France's public enemy No 1 to be treated like a part timer."

I agree but it actually happened that way. Mesrine, after 20 minutes of negociations with Broussard, openned the door, offered a bottle of champagne and said: "Tu ne trouves pas que c'est une arrestation qui a de la gueule ?" (Don't you think it's an impressive arrest?)

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From what i read Meserine had a kind of trade mark of doing multiple bank jobs in one day (he even robbed the same bank twice in 3 days apparently) so it's not surprising that they included this a few times.

Personally I preffered part 2 but do agree with alot of the criticisms, I was particullarly impressed with the director/writers attempts to deconstruct the romantic notion of the gentleman gangster.

As for showing his murder at the beginning. I felt that this did hamper my emotions through out the majority of both films, until the final third of part 2. By that time I'd been shown enough of Meserine to establish (in my mind)that he was a monster and would have harmed many more people. Certainly not the way I felt the first time I saw him killled on screen.

Don't agree with the French solution but Mesrine had to be stopped.



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second was much better

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I agree with the OP, up to a point. I don't think watching the second part was a waste of time by any means, but it was not as strong. I agree that the film went south after the journalist sequence and that the ending was confusing.

One key difference is that in the first film, Mesrine is a gangster --- that is, he is part of a gang. In the second part he is a crook, but he is not part of any organization.

However, I agree with others who have said that the two films are two parts of one film and should be seen together. It's similar to Kill Bill --- I actually managed to watch both parts of Kill Bill in one evening, and again the first part is stronger, but the whole is more satisfying.



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It's definitely not anywhere near as well made, it lacks the focus in the writing, but I still think it's a thrilling ride that works even though you know exactly how it's going to end up. I think they do a great job of racking up the tension in each set piece to a point where you're wondering HOW he'll get out of it.

I watch them together so the differences bother me less, and I think they flow well enough together, but I think it would be very interesting to view the two films apart from each other, to be able to really approach them as two separate pieces of work, because they definitely do have very different feels.

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Yeah, I agree man. The first film I found really slick and great, I thought it slowed down near the end with the prison escape scenes, but overall still a really great movie. The second one I just found average. Just seems to be repeating itself, like you said, it hardly ever focuses too much on his partners, so they just come and go without feeling any interest in them. Same with the love interests, really. Also, I feel that "Rappers Delight" was a terrible soundtrack choice, and this is a rather personal complaint, but I couldn't take the movie too seriously after they used it.

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