.. because I don´t like the main character ....
and ... if you take off the gay condition, and write the same story, it will be completelly awful.
Then the gay condition should not be a resource to have a good movie.
Oscar from Rosario-Argentina
is he gay? does that matter? the movie works because it revolves around a transvestite.
If he were anything else the movie wouldn't work as the situations he is put in are due to him being unlike anyone else. But why don't you like the main character; you didn't give any reasons.
I'm straight and like the character, infact I can even relate to him as he feels insecure in the outside world and can't take anything seriously.
"Have you ever danced with a refrigerator?"
Please read my other reply.
I don´t like him because he never did nothing to win his freedom.
He always is wating for a man that save him. In fact nowaday neither the woman are wating for man to resolve her lifes.
In the oposite I enjoy a lot the travestie character in Kinky Boots, because he take his life in his hands and build his own future.
Oscar from Rosario-Argentina
I have explained about why I don´t like this kind of characters in the first lines of this post.
I don´t like repet it because it gave me a lot of problems here
Oscar from Rosario City
Argentina
".. because I don´t like the main character ....
and ... if you take off the gay condition, and write the same story, it will be completelly awful."
I won't persecute you for not liking Kitten, but I don't see what his/her being gay (or not) has to do with anything. Why even bother mentioning it? It's almost irrelevant.
In general (gay or not) I don´t like characters that don´t take their lifes in their owns hands.
Kitten always resolve their problems looking for a old man that want protec it.
Include at the end of the movie, he is happy taking care his friend´s son, but what will he do whith his life..???, where will he work, who will pay for his bed....???
No, no, I don´t like this kind of people, gay or not gay.
Oscar from Rosario-Argentina
Well, one things for sure. You haven't a clue as to what Kitten is all about. Probably a little too complex of a character for you to figure out. That's obvious by your take on Kitten.
You know, sometimes Roger Ebert gets it so right. Why don't you take a few moments to read his review. Maybe then you might come away with a an appreciation and understanding for Kitten rather than a disgust.
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051222/REVIEWS/51019004/1023
I have read the review and in fact I din´t change my opinion so much.
In the first place we must agree that we are talking about THE MOVIE.
I don´t know nothing about the real Kitten, and I have not read the novel then, all my opinions are about the movie.
About the review:
“Kitten depends on the kindness of strangers”
Yes, this is showed on the movie.
“His heroes, from Pip to Oliver Twist to Nicholas Nickle by to David Copperfield, travel bleak landscapes of gruesome betrayal and disappointment and meet villains of every description but never lose their innocence.”
I don´t feel Kitten like an innocent boy.
I think Kitten more like irresponsible.
He is not innocent, he simply is carried away by the fate.
But … always he has someone that take care him. It is more easy to live when you have a "bodyguard"..
I saw this in the film, but if real character is different, maybe the director and the writer din´t do a good job writing the movie.
I know, I konw, he had a very very difficult childhood, when you pass the 20 years old, your life is your responsabilite.
I repet, my problem is not about option sex , my problem if about the acctitude.
Oscar from Rosario-Argentina
Yeah, right, it's all about being serious and responsible! I've heard this so many times. 'Yeah, you see, you must do this cuz everyone else does!You mustn't do that cuz it's wrong and not serious! You must take your life in your own hands' Yeah ,may be that's why I like Kitten - cuz 'she''s not trying to be responsible, cuz she's trying to run away and hide from the world that 'she' doesn't like. What's wrong with that? I do the same thing. And don't tell me that it's not normal cuz I've enough of this phrase 'It's not normal' or 'It's insane'. Why does everyone try to be so gorwn-up and act like they can resolve every *beep* problem?!?!?! Nobody can cuz NOBODY'S PERFECT!And, it's a comedy, for Christ's sake! However, you got the right not like the movie...it's only a movie after all...and I loved it cuz I feel as confused as Kitten. And, she's managed quite well to deal with her own life although she used some help. BTW, I agree that Kitten is not innocent but irresponsible But it was an amusing movie and I don't regret watching it.
Come
Break me down
Bury me, bury me
I am finished with you
In a very closed view, nobody is normal.
For example , I´m bare, and nobody fight by my rights..!!!
Oscar from Rosario City
Argentina
This is a fantastic and intelligent thread....I admire your bare spirit Oscar from Argentina :)
You have every right to find Kitten's apparent passive behaviour frustrating. We are used to our film hero/heroines going through a character arc of change and taking us with them. But Kitten is relentlessly herself and it is the others around her who do the changing or are affected by her. And that includes the audience and the readers of the book. Love her or hate her...it seems you felt passionate enough to post your feelings on this site and to respond so politely to those who felt differently. That's interesting to me....I'm not sure you would do that for every film you didn't like.
I felt frustrated with Kitten often as well.....but only because I cared about her...and realized that her need to escape into fantasy was both her downfall and her means of survival. Its such a pity this film was marketed as a comedy... to me it's a sweet character study of a flawed, but unique and special human being. Sure there are many humourous moments...but to me the overall feel is one of a melancholy drama with a glimmer of hope. The book is much darker...almost like a glimpse into the mind of madness, or someone struggling to cope with depression. Similar in feel to Pat McCabe's "The Butcher Boy". That people can still love his characters, even when they behave strangley, passively, irrationally or criminally is a testament to his writing.
I love Kitten...and the film...even despite Kitten's hideous taste in music ;)
But thanks for the excellent thread Oscar....and I totally support you in your fight to be bare!
Well..!! I´m really happy to find somebody that understand me..!!!
I had begun to think that I was alone in this world..!!
but, I`m very curiouse about a sentence. Why you wrote "..We are used to our film hero/heroines.."..????
Who are "we" ??? , are you writer or producer..???
Oscar from Rosario City
Argentina
BARE FROM THE WIDE WORLD.... JOIN US..!!! TO FIGHT AGAINST THE HAIRS DICTATORSHIP..!!!
Well, well your english is a bit high for me, but I understand.
The great surprise for me, is why is so important for a lot of people that I like or dislike this movie=character.
I never said: I hate Kitten. In this way the people´s reaction would be more justified. But I only said I don´t like.....
Any way, I agree with you in the sense that a good movie change the audience mind, and evidently this movie touch a lot of people mind and the heart...!!!
I feel you can love Kitten in the similar mood that you love a sweet puppy.
But I admire more character like "Kinky boots" film.
Finally, Kitten and me have something very important in common.
Kitten didn´t choose her destiny, and I didn´t choose my bare....
Oscar from Rosario City
Argentina
Enjoy your life living under that bridge, being a rebel.
shareKitten wants somebody to protect her because she never had a real mother or father growing up....thats all I have to say really. :D I'm just looking at the given circumstances and the reason why she is the way she is.
shareI think you're wrong here.
Kitten takes risks actually. He leaves home without knowing where is is going. There is no "old man" waiting to protect him. He meets one by chance while hitch-hiking. He then has a fight with his first lover and leaves him without there being a new "old man" to take over. He leaves the magician and the security of being his stage partner when his friend Charlie turns up & needs help. He is working the streets without anyone protecting him.
In fact it is the other way around. The older men notice someone who is vulnerable and do things to protect him. Mostly it is with an ulterior motive, sometimes because they are just struck by his innocence e.g. the cop who had bashed him in the past believing he was an IRA bomber finds him working the streets and comes back to help him, even though he has no sexual interest in him at all.
Kitten does not move from one older man to another, but he does leave one situation after another when he finds things have become impossible.
As for what will happen to him at the end, we really don't know, but the point is that Kitten now has someone to love.
If yuo falling in love with the first persons that see you ..... you are really in a big mesh....
Kitten would have her reason to do this... but anyway she will be in a big problem inevitably.
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I´m really astonished, because a 4 page board begin with the sentence: I DON´T LIKE THIS MOVIE....
I N C R E D I B L E...!! that like or not this movie can be important.
Oscar from Rosario City
Argentina
you think im wrong? or the OP???
shareThe gay 'condition'? You make it sound like a disease.
shareI´sorry, my english is so poor.
In spanish we say : condición de homosexual, in a neutral way.
I traslated directly from the spanish the expresion, and would be that you read some different connotation.
I repet, I don´t have problem with gays, I don´t like this kind of people, gay or not gay.
In fact the gays that I know in general fight for your own life, and I know a lot a people (no gay) that always try to find somebody that resolve their problems.
..... uff... I´m so tire to explain some many time the same...
Oscar from Rosario-Argentina
kitten was loner looking for someone to love him/her for being himself
But now is the end of days and Iam the reaper Alessa silent hill
A.S.H.O.T.W
Ufa..!! ufa..!!
I have explained about this...!!!
I´m not english speaker...!!
This was a direct traslation...!!!
DID YOU (ALL) SEE THAT THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT BOARD..!!!
CAN´T I DON´T LIKE THIS MOVIE IN PEACE...!!!
PLEASE BOYS..!!!
Oscar from Rosario City
Argentina
obviously you're allowed to dislike this movie. but i don't think it was the filmmaker's intention for this to be a "gay themed" movie. nor do i think that they used homosexuality as a means of peaking audience interest.
it may be helpful to know that the film was actually adapted from a novel (of the same title).
Not so easy being a transvestite in 70's Ireland and England. It would be hard for "her" to make her way without the acceptance of rare individuals (at least, those who aren't out to harm her).
shareIt's a matter of taste and openness of mind but I saw the movie yesterday and I absolutely loved it!
Kitten is such a sensitive and lovely person and she touched my heart not for her being a transvestite but for her being a humain being who rarely received love but still faced life with absolute optimism and care for the people around her.
Unfortunately her desperate search for love brought her most frequently rejection or disillusion but still he managed to enchant people (the magician, the police man etc.) met in her path with her innocence.
It's not the gay condition the resource of this excellent movie, in my opinion, but the struggle of a very sensitive and innocent soul looking for love and always being true to herself, even though this mostly meant pain rather than joy.
The point is:
If you are falling in love with the character (your case), the movie is fantastic.
If you have empathy with this character (my case), this life story is not so wonderful.
I don´t agree with you in the sentence "and care for the people around her". I feel exaclty the oposite, and his is just my dislike point.
I think all her life she is trying to find somebody that take care her.
and ..... again I say (1000 time): I don´t like (gay or not gay) people that don´t take their life in their hands.
Oscar from Rosario City
Argentina
She did take charge of her life. She up and left home, and then later moved to London on her own accord. She just kept accidentally falling in with the wrong people. It's probably hard enough in today's world trying to be a transvetite and be true to yourself, let alone in the 1960's and '70's, without people refusing you opportunities, or trying to beat you up. Notice that she wasn't entirely true to herself out of safety's sake (by only dressing glam and quasi-female, not as full-on woman), until the end of the film, when she boldly dressed as herself.
share
OK, OK, I give up..!!!
You win..!!
I´m completelly tired to explain the same again and again.
All the people have problems, and is your desition how to manege your problems, and your life.
If you decide to take a hard but more thrutful way for you, well CONGRATULATION..!!!, but if your decition.
Oviously, I´m not taking only about sex option.
I´m talking about politics, religius,etc,etc,.
I´m talking about all the life.
Thanks by the chat, and have a good day.
Bye.
Oscar from Rosario City
Argentina
ideally, yes, it would be wonderful if everyone could take care of him/herself without the assistance of others. then there would be no need to develop relationships with other people and we could simply exist as singular beings, devoid of those nasty crutches called "emotion" and "compassion."
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ufa..!!!
There are not nobody more intolerant, than a "political right" person.
Oscar from Rosario City
Argentina
I understand your frustration with kitten oscar. But doesn't it make sense Kitten was looking for someone to take care of her if not physically then emotionally. She was looking for something she didn't get with her primary family, love and acceptance. When one is that starved for affection, I think it makes sense that one will go with anyone that seemingly shows them some validation for who they are. Isn't this how a lot of runaway children end-up exploited on the streets.
well said alessia-4.
shareI sort of agree, but it's part of the story and it's what makes the character intriquing. It's like saying if James Bond wasn't an agent nobody would like his movies.
I didn't like the movie though, I found kitty to be annoying and vain. I don't like girly girls or girly guys.
I wish I could have an orgy involving me and Ringo Starr.
http://www.youtube.com/chaztr0n
That's a silly thing to say. It's a bit like you said "Chocolate is worthless, it tastes like crap without sugar."
That's why they add sugar.
Silly.
And besides, I don't think the story was dependent on that. It really was at the roots just a story of someone looking for love.
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Kitten is not teeager
Oscar from Rosario City
Argentina