Least favourite characters?
Mine are Danielle van der Kamp, Kayla and Tom Scavo.
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Tom 'I'm gonna pout at you until I get my way' Scavo. By far.
shareWell some of the things Lynette did to Tom justified his reactions. Look at what she did to his career in the first season blowing his promotion. She did it out of selfishness. She needed to learn boundaries after that incident and she never did. She still kept controlling everything that happened in their relationship. She also tried controlling situations that were out of her hands like hiding her pregnancy from Carlos. Her control freak behavior cost her quite a bit of drama.
My least favorite characters are Rex, Dave, Renee, Mike, John, Keith, Ian, Zach, and sometimes Susan. Every one else was pretty likable for me.
I always saw Tom as every bit the control freak that Lynette was. He was very passive aggressive. A disagreement couldn't hit the 20 second mark without him whining about if he doesn't get his way he's emasculated and she's a control freak. Not that she wasn't a control freak, but it got to the point she couldn't have a thought or want that differed from his without the label being thrown at her. It really was ridiculous how wanting her way or to run things was treated as if it was Lynette specific.
May I ask what you recall about the promotion incident? Respectfully it seems more common people recall Peterson's lie about what Lynette did than what actually happened.
As for Carlos she had no legal obligation as his employee to tell him as soon as she did. She could have waited for months if her pregnancy was uneventful. As a friend she was all set to tell him the very same episode she told the kids if not for his illegal crap with the other pregnant lady. Seriously those scenes could be shown as examples of the boss breaking the law in seminars about workplace discrimination. The thing I would fault Lynette on is not standing up for her coworker. I couldn't care less how convenient or inconvenient she made things for Carlos.
In season 1 I remember Tom was going to get a promotion but Lynette talked to his boss or the boss's wife saying Tom needs to be home for the kids. I haven't seen the episode in a while so my memory may be fuzzy on that but I do know she interfered in Tom's work when it wasn't her place. She did it again when Tom had a meeting with his boss at their house over ideas for an advertisement. Lynette butt in and threw out her ideas belittling Tom's suggestions. Another example of Lynette wanting things her way controlling the situation is the anniversary episode. Tom wanted to give Lynette the perfect anniversary back in season 3. Lynette ordered him to cancel everything. Tom made efforts to be a great husband to her but she would get fussy about it. Let's not forget how she wanted to control the attention that guy was giving her in season 3. When the guy was getting serious about his feelings for her, Lynette called it off because she was no longer in control.
I love Lynette. She's one of my favorite characters in the show and seriously was the only good thing about season 5 that year, but I accept her faults. It doesn't make me like her less. It makes me like her more because she's a character with all these layers that makes her normal. We learned why she needs control. Her childhood with an alcoholic mom wasn't easy for her. When it comes to Tom though, he had many moments where he does try being the perfect husband for her.
Respectfully, do you also remember Tom flat out refusing to talk about the toll the promotion might take on Lynette (seeing it was a traveling one)? He literally walked away from Lynette and wouldn't listen to her when she tried to express her concerns. It was "I'm doing it." He wouldn't discuss "So how can we make this work?" That was on Lynette to deal with it. How does Tom have the right to take a promotion that takes him away from home unless the wife of his 4 kids is good with it?
The idea of what Lynette said being grounds to kill the promotion was very weak. She didn't even ask for that. She simply wasn't completely enthusiastic when Jeanie asked her if she was happy about it. I hope he doesn't regret missing birthdays and baseball games is no emergency. It's what anybody in their place would have to deal with. No news, cliché even. I don't think it was an accident Peterson lied and jacked up what Lynette actually said and did. She did not run to his wife (they met randomly) or beg her to kill the promotion (how did she beg for something she didn't even ask for? Lynette isn't even the one who brought it up.) I'm not saying someone has to like what Lynette actually did, but if it was really serious enough to kill the promotion why not put it out there? Couldn't the truth have stood alone? To me it's a red flag the boss was looking for a reason not to promote Tom when he didn't want to in the first place. The wife was the one who talked him into it.
As for the anniversary what I don't get is why did what Tom want to do take precedence over what Lynette wanted? As for wanted to give her the perfect anniversary-perfect for who? Not Lynette if she didn't want it. Perfect for him (in his imagination). Perfect (or good) for both of them is what it should have been about. She's controlling for wanting her way and not Tom?
As for Rick I thought it was mutual flirting. Not to be rude, but really? Criticizing a married woman for calling off something inappropriate that could go too far (like that was wrong?)
*Sorry if this came on strong.
At the time Tom had 5 kids to think of. I'm sure he was only thinking of financially supporting the kids he helped produce which is more than what some fathers do. Like I said I don't remember all the events but I do remember Lynette stuck her nose in Tom's work quite a few times. She didn't like it when Tom did that to her so why should it be ok for her to do that to him?
For the anniversary episode, Tom was trying to treat Lynette with romance. He was making an effort. That was not a selfish encounter on his part of wanting to do things his way otherwise he wouldn't have canceled it like he did when Lynette asked him to. He wanted to make things special for Lynette. Is that really wrong for a husband to do?
THANK YOU! I literally forgot that guy's name that Lynette was flirting with LOL I was in a hurry and couldn't look it up. Yes, she was enjoying the flirtation with Rick. When Rick began to have feelings for her, she lost control of that. She had to fire him because he crossed the line but she also led him on. She shouldn't have fired him. Lynette should have kept that a professional relationship and stopped the flirting on his end instead of letting it grow.
Don't worry about coming on too strong. I just don't want you or others to get the wrong impression. Yes Tom had his faults. Look at some of the other husbands though. Rex was actually abusive towards Bree and a disgusting pig. After they ruined Orson's character in season 5, it's not like Bree did any better once Rex died. Carlos in the first season treated Gaby like a piece of property. I'm glad they changed his character because he became one of my favorites as the series went on. I guess Mike wasn't that bad unless I'm forgetting something. I agree Tom has his faults but he's not as bad as some of the other husbands.
All "husbands" came across as abusive at one point or another. I think that was due to a misguided attempt to make us sympathise with the "housewives" more. I'm glad that they seemed to be able to make Carlos into a decent human being as the show went along - he ended up being my favourite out of the "husbands".
I guess Mike wasn't that bad unless I'm forgetting something.
The way he treated Katherine was awful! They tried to amend that by essentially making her psychotic, but I thought his behavior was unforgivable. share
Didn't Katherine have that coming when she kidnapped MJ or when she was bad mouthing Susan to MJ? Or was there something in season 5 I missed when Mike was with Katherine? Season 5 was a snooze fest for me so I will admit anything that happened in season 5, I am very fuzzy on. I do know in season 6 Katherine was crazy. I don't blame Mike at all for telling Katherine off since she was telling a 6 year old boy that his mom is a whore and then kidnapping him scaring Mike. You don't mess with others by using their kids. That was a huge boundary issue Katherine crossed.
All "husbands" came across as abusive at one point or another.
In season 1 they were really hardcore with making Rex and Carlos abusive. Rex was putting Bree down and cheating on her. Making fun of her for dating George. Carlos, like I said, treated Gaby like property and threatened her a lot. I don't know if Paul ever was to Mary Alice, but he sure did act creepy as hell. Probably because he murdered Mrs. Huber but she was also creepy and extremely nosy. share
I agree Katherine went off the deep end when Mike ended the relationship. She never should have pulled what she did.
But Mike did bug me. Not so much because he didn't choose Katherine. The problem was that he really did give her reason to think there was an excellent chance that he wanted it to be permanent. It felt like he wanted to keep her around as a back up in case something with Susan couldn't be rekindled. If he wasn't over Susan he shouldn't have asked Katherine to stick around for him when she could have been with her daughter and grandchild if he didn't have anything to offer her long term relationship wise. Do that to someone then tell her you never loved her? If that was the case it would have been a perfect opportunity to wish her well as a friend and let her go to live her life so he could pursue his.
I can't see calling it sticking her nose into it when it came to the promotion. It makes it sound like it's none of her concern or it doesn't have an effect on her. She deserved to be part of that decision since more would have been required of her to make it work out at home. And this was literally not even a few months after her abusing prescription meds and thinking suicidal thoughts.
If anyone was sticking her nose into her husband's work it was Jeanie Peterson by trying to get her husband to hire Tom in the first place. Minus that there would have been no promotion situation.
I always saw Tom as every bit the control freak that Lynette was. He was very passive aggressive.
I agree with this.
Tom was a control freak, just not as open about it as Lynette was. Besides, how often did Tom actually give up something to follow Lynette's dreams or whims? Maybe she didn't have the same tendency to suddenly want to turn their lives upside down because of something she wanted to do, but still...
Tom would often pull the victim card whenever he wanted something, but really, how was he a victim? If anything he was straight-up abusive to Lynette and the kids at times when it came to HIS own personal fulfilment... share
Exactly. I can see not caring for Lynette's personality but I never could see a reason to pity Tom for it. He was paid back and overpaid. He flat out used it to get his way. I've never heard of anyone who was supposedly so emasculated by his castrating shrew of a wife get his way so often or seen a control freak cave and hand her supposed victim what he wanted as regularly as Lynette did.
shareEven when Lynette and Tom switched places in season two and she went back to work (which she wanted to do), it was more due to him having a hissy fit and basically wanting to "punish"/teach her a lesson that working isn't as fun as being a stressed out stay-at-home mother. It was never about giving Lynette the opportunity to go out and get the career that she craved.
shareI wish Lynette didn't spare Tom's feelings and told him what really happened regarding the promotion.
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