HORROR?


I'm sorry but why does everyone refer to this as a horror film? It's horrific, sure, but I fail to see why I always see this under the "horror" section.


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No I wouldn't call this movie a horror film either.

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I'd sooner call it 'new' horror, than the likes of Saw, Hostel, Wolf Creek, etc. There's nothing remarkable in these films by comparison (or in any case), and I suspect it'll take a few years or decades for Tideland to be properly, and favourably, assessed.

It also lost the fight against Pan's Labyrinth, which was the inevitable, lazy comparison at the time.

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Pan's Labyrinth was crapy comercial nothing.

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It's interesting that people might label this as horror. When I was watching it I noticed several direct quotes to "the Texas Chainsaw Massacre".

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Because it's horrifically bad?

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Whether or not you think it's a good film (I do) it is a commercial one. I'd say Tideland is a more artistic take on the same themes, while Pan's Labyrinth, while good, cloaked them in mainstream spectacle and lost the more weird and disturbing aspects to draw in more box office. Still a good film though, it's just no Tideland.

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I have to agree. i ended up disliking pans labyrinth in the end, it just didnt work. there is movie called "labyrinth" that was better.

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I loved Pan's Labyrinth but while watching this film i could not shake the feeling that this was pan's Labyrinth done through the eyes of a child and i must say this really is the better of the two movies.

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"I`m confused as to why "commercial" should be considered a bad thing".

Because trying to appeal to everyone and their grandchildren inevitably involves artistic compromise and mostly results in blandly toothless ersatz, mawkish cotton candy. Had Tideland been targeted at the widest possible audiences, we would`ve received a product robbed of all the truly disturbing, bleak elements that make Gilliam`s film so stingingly real and authentic.



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"It`s a misconception to believe being commercial must mean sacrificing artistic integrity".

Well, obviously, in order to sacrifice or compromise, you first have to have that artistic integrity, that vision, to begin with. Which is to say folks like Spielberg or Zemeckis or Cameron or Ron Howard, despite producing shamelessly populist mush, never sold out or compromised cuz there was never really much of anything to compromise (although I`m sure they`re well aware that they`re selling products that are rich with saccharine and saturated fat). They always were merchants as opposed to artists and always will be regarded as such.


"Wants their film(s) to appeal to as wide an audience as possible".

I believe pretty much all directors would like to see their work reach as many people as possible, but there`s still a line to be drawn there which you do not cross without losing face and credibility. Even someone as idiosyncratic as David Lynch does care about his films being shown and known and indeed appealing to as wide an audience as... yes, POSSIBLE - without damaging the vision, taking away from where it really hurts. The basic key is that artistic consideration always has to come first and the commercial side of things needs to adapt, not the other way around. Can`t allow the audience dictate for you which kinds films you`re making.


"But that doesn`t automatically necessitate that they compromise their ideas for them to reach that audience".

But it inevitably does. As Gilliam himself has noted, the one thing the Hollywood bigwigs have never figured out, is that making a film that`s for everyone, that satisfies everybody`s tastes across the board, is, as a matter of fact, impossible to make... so what`s the point in worrying about that, in trying to? And, of course, in case a filmmaker wants to appeal to audiences below a certain age limit, he obviously couldn`t make his work particularly complex or contemplative or intellectual or "slow". He has to dumb things down.


"Examples of directors who were successful in finding mainstream appeal through their distinct vision. Taxi Driver, Chinatown, Pulp Fiction".

Firstly, none of these 3 films you mention, bears any notable signs of commercial calculation (in fact, at least the endings of Taxi Driver & Chinatown are quite starkly alienating, or so one would imagine). Secondly, these same 2 of the 3 were made in the 70`s when directors in fact did get away with a lot more "artsy stuff", and found fairly large, adventurous audiences for it, than they have in any time period before or after.





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Very well said, franzkabuki.

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Great post. I wish more people were like you. Maybe then we would have more quality movies.

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Pan's Labyrinth isn't "commercial" in the least. It's not even in English for Christ's sake! This movie IS in English, but is EVEN LESS commercial when compared to Pan's Labyrinth.

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Thank you! Exactly right.

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dolls heads, creepy isolated building, drug overdoses, one blind eyed woman, loonies, taxidermy, train crash...yep it should be very horrific but it was not at all

I classify this as "faux horror" as it has all the elements which SHOULD be scary but plainly aint! Its as though Gilliam has never seen an extreme horror movie at all and the horror scene has shifted so much to the extreme in recent years that you really have to be living in some cotton wool environment to find this remotely scary

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Tideland is a sad, eerie, beautiful and deeply disturbing film, but genre wise, it´s no horror per se. And there are no "horror scenes" (of which effectiveness is not dependent on any overt "extremities", either).



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