xstraight edgex


Im a straight edge kid from CT, when I saw this movie I thought it was a good movie. But I just dont like how it focuses on how violent straight edge kids can be. Yes there are moments in the movie where it was discusses the views on the life style but they harped on the negitive and not the positive. and SxE is a positve movment. I just want other viewers to know that in some parts of the U.S it is this way such as NY or Boston. But for the most part you dont have to look at all straight edge kids as gangsters or hooligains and be afraid to cross there path.

We have "boston beatdown" to thank for that.

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The sXe'ers that went crazy initially were just idiotic nazi's. Some of em had the right idea that you're not supposed to shove it down other people's throats, just utilize it in order to make your life cleaner.

I live in Canada and from what I've seen of my local scene, sXe'ers are friends with punks, drunks, emo's, whatever. No gangs just random people. I find it a little retarded that straight edge gangs still exist in America.

Oh and I'm not on the edge just for the record. I loves to do the drugs.

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threat is not a good movie, in fact the only thing i really liked about it is that it doesn't really want to be a good movie it just wants to be what it is. if that makes no sense... then that's partly because the movie doesn't really make sense. but it doesn't seem to care if it makes sense or if we get it. so in that way it's the punkest movie ever made.

the whole straightedge part of threat was a bad idea and the movie would have been much better if there was no straightedge in it. straightedge people aren't known for doing things, they're known for not doing things. it's not interesting to watch people not do things in a movie. so the straightedge kids in threat have to wind up being crazy gangster clowns in order to not be completely uninteresting. why make them straightedge? it slows the movie down and aggravates straightedge people. dumb. there's an interview with the director on suicide girls where he says he's straightedge and never had a drink, but the interviewer never asks him why he made the first anti-straightedge movie if he's actually straightedge. that would have been an obvious question and maybe even interesting, but pizzollo would probably just babble on like all the characters in his boring movie. at least they all kill each other.

if these idiots want to make money they should release just the last twenty minutes of the movie on dvd. that stuff is great. the violence is gorier than all these dumb horror movies topping the box office and that crazy girl with the hook is tougher than the entire running time of hostel.

boston beatdown is much more enjoyable than threat. godmoney was also by a straightedge director and that movie is much worse than threat. somebody get the pizzollo drunk and maybe he'll make a good movie next time.

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You are very true on alot of your thoughts.. also you are very flawed in one view. (NOT DEFENDING Straight Edge) but alot of people have this odd notion that Straight edge kids are boring and dont do anything. On the negitive side you do have your *beep* that think there in a 24 hour brawl and want to fight anything that touches drugs & you have also the Postive scene that is more family like under the belief of ("BROTHERHOOD") if anybody ever went to a (HARDCORE) show you will see the reason that SXE kids are so known for doing nothing is because they are saving all there energy for the 2 steping,or performing circus tricks.....Straight edge is a violent culture I guess only at our shows... other than that it's what you make of it.
OH and is you didnt get the joke about circus or dont get hhow its a violent culture @ our shows please see video (not all straight edge kids but youll get the point) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=734245069562440464&q=irate&pl=true

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i didn't say straightedge kids are boring. at least i don't think i did. i just mean that a movement like straightedge is not very cinematic because it doesn't involve visual conflict. so the filmmakers dug their own grave by taking a movement that it's adherents consider positive, but the only way they could make it a watchable movie is to focus on negative characters living that lifestyle. so they wind up making their own audience look bad. idiots. the only other option would be to turn the tables and make mean drunks come after straightedge kids, but that would be laughable. the video link you posted is crazy and makes me reconsider all of this though because after watching that i think the filmmakers were actually really nice in their presentation of straightedge. i would totally believe all the kids in that video would run across rooftops killing each other and beating down drunk drivers.

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I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK! BRAVO on the explanation!!

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This movie could have been good, if it didnt invlove the hardcore/punk scene at all. I think that was just a gimmick to get straight edge and hardcore kids to see the movie. It really wasn't about straight edge or hardcore at all, if you watch the movie again you will see this. Pointless voilence at the end too. Shows may sometimes get violent but never like that. Besides, who belives in hardline anymore? *beep* retarded, as is all hardcore crews and cliques.

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Yet another great post.But...... I dont think it was a gimmick I mean when it comes down to it what undergound music actully has STRONG political views now?
(Hardcore & streetpunk or Oi!). Im not talking about the whinny infested emotinal music. Im talking about the true hardcore kids or inner city, S.H.A.R.P Skins(Skinheads.Against.Racial.Prejudice),or the punks that dont care if your hair is hawk or spiked.

See In order for a strong point to get arcoss you cant aim it at the older conservative generation because a movie like Threat is pretty much against every thing that is that . Its about making a positive difference and defying that 2 people of 2 diffrent races/"set" social class can actually
be concider friends.if you ask me true hardcore or even most undergound music is where that value still stands waving freely.

And You are right who belives in hardline, and Crews are pointless..
cant we all just dance n get-a-long?


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i also don't think it was a gimmick to use straightedge, it seemed pretty authentic. it just didn't work.

but xrevisex is right, it might have been a better movie without any of the punk references. it would have missed the point though. the violence at the end isn't pointless, it's pretty much the only point the film had: that all these kids are senselessly killing each other instead of working together to change the world by any means necessary. the only reason the movie isn't as trite as that sentence is because the statement is made in a bloodbath with some of the most visceral anger i've ever seen in an indie movie. too bad the first half is so goddamn boring, but i guess it makes you really earn the madness at the end.

cxthardcore is totally right that tapping into underground music is the only thing that makes it possible that the bold statement will be heard by a receptive audience. older arthouse audiences will either not get the movie at all or if they do they'll despise it for being so confrontational against their values.

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I completely disagree with all of you. I'm edge and I thought the representation of straight edge was right on. The whole point was that all these straight edge kids were cool and tolerant, but there was one bad apple. Then when there was a tragedy with the drunk driving accident, the bad apple got control of the group just like always happens after a tragedy (uh 9-11 anyone?). And the other edge kids are still fighting him the whole way, but they don't fight him hard enough because they don't take him seriously. It's the old "doofus-turned-evil-genius" just like Hitler and George W Bush, they rise to power because people blow them off as morons. Plus, the movie in no way glamorizes the bad apple, because he's so obviously a tool. Even the main character makes fun of him for working in a bar, and his response is "Know your enemy." That was hilarious and totally an obvious jab at the intolerant straight edge kid. Plus, the way they wrap up his character is such a huge jab *SPOILER* by making him a sexual deviant... again just like Hitler (who was a teetotaler and a vegetarian, making him pretty close to a hardline straightedge vegan hah haha). I can't see how any viewer would think the filmmakers want the hardline straight edge kid to be taken seriously. Threat is clearly a movie that TAKES PLACE IN the hardcore scene, NOT a movie ABOUT the hardcore scene.

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you're not disagreeing with us. it looks like we all pretty much dug the movie, on this thread at least.

cxthardcore pointed out, rightly, that the movie focuses on the negative aspect of straightedge. undeniable.

there may be other straightedge kids in the movie, but it is the violent ones who get the most screen time and attention and by far the most action.

i agree with your point that the movie takes place in the hardcore community but isn't about hardcore. that is precisely why i think it would be a better movie if it left hardcore out entirely. the message gets confused in the hardcore culture and winds up aggravating hardcore kids. it was a dumb choice. the story would work just as well without it.

as for Hitler and George W, i don't have any idea what you're talking about.

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"i didn't say straightedge kids are boring. at least i don't think i did. i just mean that a movement like straightedge is not very cinematic because it doesn't involve visual conflict."

That is because straight edge is an inward revolution, not an outward one.

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*beep* is right, straight edge is an inward revolution, not an outward one but I don't believe this disqualifies it from being 'cinematic'.

I'm an english hardcore kid and have seen first hand how important straight edge is to a great many people. Some of the most inspirational events of my life have been 'straight edge hardcore shows' and discussing my beliefs with straight edgers, despite the fact that I myself am not straight edge. As we have discussed, the straight edge movement exists beyond the violent, knuckle headed stereotype and is an important and under-represented subculture which is as deserving of cinematic portrayal as any other.

Any film on this subject needs to be done thoughtfully and sensitively and, as far as I am aware, this has not yet been done.

I may be wrong though, if anyone knows of any films where this has been done, please let me know

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I agree that straight edge does deserve a cinematic fair treatment and so it really needs a documentary. As far as a narrative feature film goes I don't think we'll get a more even-handed treatment than Threat. At least the film shows complexity in the movement: there's "good" straight edge kids and "bad" straight edge kids. You can't argue that there are no bad apple straight edge kids in the scene. If you guys want a Boondock Saints style straight edge movie where it's super hero straight edge vigilantes then that would be cool (and actually a lot of fun now that I think about it) but it's just self congratulatory propaganda. I'm edge and I'm in a college where to not drink is social suicide and I really appreciated the thoughtfulness and complexity Threat brought to straight edge kids. So much of straight edge is antagonistic to the point of making a regular person defensive, so I would feel more comfortable about my classmates learning about straight edge from this movie than from a lot of the other stuff that out's there. Sure many people will leave the theater thinking straight edge kids are thugs, but those people would think that anyway. It's not the film maker's job to make mainstream America love straight edge, it's the film maker's job to make authentic and three dimensional characters and I think Threat has given us the truest straight edge characters to appear in a movie yet. So there haha

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f c u k v i c t o l y is right, straight edge is an inward revolution, not an outward one but I don't believe this disqualifies it from being 'cinematic'.

I'm an english hardcore kid and have seen first hand how important straight edge is to a great many people. Some of the most inspirational events of my life have been 'straight edge hardcore shows' and discussing my beliefs with straight edgers, despite the fact that I myself am not straight edge. As we have discussed, the straight edge movement exists beyond the violent, knuckle headed stereotype and is an important and under-represented subculture which is as deserving of cinematic portrayal as any other.

Any film on this subject needs to be done thoughtfully and sensitively and, as far as I am aware, this has not yet been done.

I may be wrong though, if anyone knows of any films where this has been done, please let me know

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Straight edge may be a possitive Idea but honestly there are alot of bad apples in it but then its a movement and all movements have bad apples. In some parts of the country the sXe scene is more hate edge than anything else, some y sXe scenes are all vegans, some are more "hardcore" than others, In some areas you have to front and posture and look a certain way and dress a certain way to be sXe other places are more tollerent..sXe is what you make it plain and simple. if you want to be a punk sXe or a goth sXe, or hell a cowboy sXe its all the same if it works for you fine, and dandy just remember your edge is your edge hold it the way you see fit.

P.S. Q: how many sXe kids does it take to drinka 6 pack?
A: 1 if his friends arent around and his music wont play.

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I agree with everything you said except "if you want to be a punk sXe or a goth sXe, or hell a cowboy." To me straight edge is a mindset that you as an indivdual make an oath to yourself. but straight edge came out of the aggreive punk/hardcore scene and should stay with hardcore. Straight Edge hardcore kid's embrace the lifestyle. We embrace it in our lyric's, at our show's,in our community,in are body art and in our life after the 'the fun has past you by."

were as "Goths" or your normal "every day Dick & Jane" do not embrace the lifestyle they are simply Drug free. They dont put on show's to benfit the hardcore scene (straight edge or not)most non- hardcore straight edger's do not get straight edge body art done. or do anything to keep the scene strong. i am very diverse when it comes to underground music and I have not yet heard a type of music that has expressed so much detication to being drug free. there are some artist out there but not a vast amount.

I dont recall when I was in the D.a.r.e. program in 5th grade them talking about straight edge (lol).

I maybe wrong.... But I have been to (way too many) local show's in the east coast. and it's those slipknot t-shirt wearing or american reject lovers that claim somthing when its a fad.
and sad to say Straight edge has became that.



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Well sir, I think you are a *beep*

So, being straight edge means not drinking nor smoking or doing drugs

If i'm a frecuent smoker and drinker, what should I be called?

Get my point?

You don't have to put a label on everything, haven't you stop and think for a sec that's the reason for many conflicts nowadays?

Geez

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One thing I am starting to resent is this almost bro-fratboy mentality that comes with hardcore kids you see these days, straight edge or not. Its like Suicidal Tendencies was the only band they listened to. My friends and I who are into hardcore come from the Black Flag/Circle Jerks school of hardcore where you're allowed to be this desperate *beep* up nerd, but nowadays the dudes you see at hardcore shows are just as ignorant and fashion conscious as a bunch of rappers. I feel like I'm being picked on by a bully like back at high school. And the girls that they hang out with them are so *beep* whacked in the head to be with those dudes. Punk isnt *beep* rap, leave the gangster *beep* and materialism back "on da block wit yo set." This is punk rock, which roots itself in people like Williams S Burroughs(a gay junkie) and Lou Reed(also a gay junkie), so where did this gangster mentality come from? Leave the machismo at home


also, any power-violence fans?

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Lol, when you really understand the meaning of machismo (I'm mexican I know what it means) use it, mkay?

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william s burroughs, lou reed... and SLAYER

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straight edge kids are usually postive kids but the *beep* kids that follow that lifestyle usually live in Reno Nevada where a gang of straight edge guys murdered a 15 year old.
or anyone in a gang called the courage crew. they're *beep* with small dicks that think anyone thats not like them deserve to get beat up.

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