just a mormon infomercial...
i'm suprised it is reviewed as a movie, since it is not. the photography is however outstanding.
shareWhat are you talking about! Honestly, did you even see the same movie the rest of us saw? First of all, the movie was funded by Larry H. Miller, not the Mormon church. Secondly, just because religion plays a factor in the plot, doesn't make the movie an infomercial. Was Fiddler on the Roof wasn't a Jewish tract, "Rudy" wasn't a Catholic tract, and "The Work and the Glory" wasn't an LDS tract. Religion played a role in the plot of all of these but it wasn't what the movie was about. "The Work and the Glory," was about a family caught in the middle of a religious controversy during a time when religious revivals were huge in America. It is a love story, that also argues for tolerance towards anyone different than you.
Other than explaining what Joseph Smith saw, the movie hardly touched any doctrinal beliefs held by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
oh... I thought the movie is about the founder of the Mormon church and it goes thru his building of the Mormon Church?
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The books that the movies are taken from are about a fictional family based in actual historical events. It is not only about Joseph Smith, but it will also show an acurate and comprehensive history of the the history of the early members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AND the history of the United States of America.
I read these books about 10 years ago when I was in junior high, and I did not realize until then just how much the Mormon pioneers (my own ancestors) did for the settlement of the West. It's amazing how much these pioneers did for the same country and government that persecuted them and drove them into the West.
Did you know that at the same time the Mormon Pioneers were illegaly being driven from Illinois, the United States government came to them and asked them to join the US military to fight the war with Mexico? These people had nothing (it was left behind in Nauvoo, Illinois or taken from them), yet they went and marched with the US military. The Mormon Battalion march is still the longest march in US infantry history. And once they arrived at their destination (San Diego), the war with Mexico was over. But they stayed and helped build up the fort at what is now San Diego. Mormons started the first school and first newspaper in San Francisco. Mormons were among the first to discover gold in California (which led to the Gold Rush of '49). And the trails that the Mormon pioneers/Battalion members blazed were used also by those traveling on the "Oregon Trail" and also by the treasure seekers heading to California.
So in recap, the Work and the Glory series (both the book and the movies) portrays the Mormon pioneers contribution to the building up of the American frontier, as well as their history and their faith.
And as a sidenote, the financial backer of these films - Larry H. Miller - is my mom's cousin.
the US military hit up EVERYBODY during that little campaign
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Yeah, the US gov't hit up everybody, but not everybody was raped, murdered, burned, and nearly wiped out by the government and then asked to go defend the glorious Constitutions of the US!
Not that I'm bitter or anything...I just wish people would get a clue about history and actual tolerance before spouting off like bigots.
I agree. A move can contain information about any religion, but when The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is mentioned, people come out with their gloves on. I wish people would talk to the missionaries and get some valid information before immedietly assuming we are all a bunch of cult nutcases instead of a Christian religion.
shareSimple propaganda. Isolationist cults that destroy families and subscribe to the pyramid scheme of religious dogma. More secretive then the CIA during the cold war.
And let us not even begin to talk about the murders performed at the direct behest of the megalomaniacal theocrat Joseph Smith.
Convert more people to Mormonism and when you die you get your very own planet to be God over.. Well not THE god but a god. The more you get the better off you will be. GOTTA CATCH EM ALL!
Sounds a lot more like Satanism then any type Christian dogma I've ever heard. Plus you have the most ludicrous of all stories, a man less then 200 years ago found a golden bible but he couldn't show anyone. But you all blindly follow him.
WHAT ARE YOU STUPID!
Keep your filth-ridden missionaries to yourself thank you very much. I don't need anyone unstable enough to believe in your bull shi t stopping by my house and telling me how to live my life.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
In response to your statement "WHAT ARE YOU STUPID!"...which you probably meant as a QUESTION (in english we use these: "?"), I'd have to say, well...no.
If you were to compare members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to, say, everyone else in America, you would find that "Mormons" are more highly educated, healtier, and more active in their communities than the average U.S. Citizen.
The Prophet, or leader of the Church, is VERY well respected by distinguished journalists (such as Mike Wallace and Larry King) and dozens of world leaders. Not many "crackpot cult leaders" achieve such high standing with such respected people.
The absolute first thing Mormons did when settling into a new area (Nauvoo, Salt Lake, etc) was start a university and set aside funding for culture and the arts. But I'm sure you could name off DOZENS of pioneer movements that did the same thing...right? Hmm...guess not.
And please...don't worry about fine upstanding, clean-cut young men coming by your home. As a Mormon Missionary, I would have never been dumb enough to stop by your door, you sound quite a bit more unstable than most drunkards I ran into on the street.
Wow. . . I've never heard anybody talk about anything and be THAT wrong about it. Where did you get your information? If you ask me, you're the one who's stupid and if I were you I'd make sure my facts were straight before I started spouting my "opinions" on someone else's religion. And we don't "blindly" follow Joseph Smith, we "blindly" follow God and Jesus Christ. . . it's something we in the business like to call faith. Oh, and most Christian religions do the same thing.
shareI find it interesting that you think it is so wrong that the mormon church was founded 200 years ago. What is wrong with that? Name a religion that was NOT created long after Jesus Christ lived? The Catholic faith was not "invented" until hundreds of years after Christ's death. So i do not see what makes the mormon religion so satanic? I find it much easier to follow a man who legitimately translated something that was seen by 11 other men, than to follow a faith that bases all of its beliefs on something that was written by scholars, to what they believed made the most sense. At least the mormon religion has some sort of religious base.
shareI find it much easier to follow a man who legitimately translated something that was seen by 11 other men, than to follow a faith that bases all of its beliefs on something that was written by scholars, to what they believed made the most sense. At least the mormon religion has some sort of religious base.
Of course many people question how legitimate the translation of the Book of Mormon really was in actual fact. Some of the witnesses did not claim to "physically" see the actual plates. The Mormons accept the Bible as the word of God, so isn't what appears to be a reference to the Bible as "something that was written by scholars" going a bit overboard ?
I think that there is a valid "religious base" to many many Christain sects, Judaism, and Islam as well as Buddhism and others.
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I don't understand what you mean when you say something written by Scholars? Are you talking about the idea of the Catholic Church being made up by Scholars? Because I am Mormon and we believe the Holy Bible to be 100% factual. We not only refer to the BOM but also to the Bible every Sunday like any other Christian church. We certainly do not believe it is something written by scholars and that the BOM is "better" than the Bible. The BOM is a companion to the BIBLE.
shareI am impressed with your ability in missing out some points. Let's say Joseph Smith is a fake, then you got to admire his bravery, because he was beaten up daily, tarred and feathered, has been threatened to be killed. If it's all fake, he could have simple said "sorry guys, i made it up" to save his own skin. If he is fake, then you have to be impressed how intelligent heis! I mean several well educated people admired the Prophet's knowledge and wisdom. Remember he is from a country where the education is appalling. Where did he get his education on Arabic and Eastern culture? Where did he get an education on the language that uses in biblical terms? Impressive. If Joseph is a fake, then you gotta admire the fact that the Church isn't under his name. If he is a megalomaniac, why not call it The Church of Joseph Smith of Latter-Day Saints? Did he organise the religion for money? According to history, he has died penniless, and in fact, he had to borrow money for printing the book of mormon and no money for himself. Supposing Joseph Smith is a fake, then why all this MASSIVE hatred? Why all this genocides? Why was he murdered? Why ae non-mormons are scared of? Why all this massive smear of lies and smear? If they don't like mormons, theu can simple ignore them and don't bother joining. Mormons wouldn't object if a non-mormon doesn't want to join the faith. If you don't like mormons, then why are you focusing on mormons and writing blogs about them on here? I don't like other faith but I am not stupid enough to trawl every websites about other faiths to attack them. If you don't like mormons, then stop thinking about it. Just enjoy life as you wanted it instead of following mormons and complaining.
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Ha. All I will say is to check actual facts. Real ones. Not ones handed down from generation to generation through the church. Mr. wayneadams2003, why was he murdered? It doesn't take a whole lot of research to find out why. I said it before, I'll say it again... if any mormon wants to have a rational discussion on ANY mormon subject I'm not a hard man to find. Was he a fraud? All I need is the "Book of Abraham." Joseph smith "translated this supposed book from papyrus scrolls that are allegedly "the writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt." But what were the scrolls really you ask? Egyptian funerary documents. Translated in the same way as the book of mormon I might add. There's your "prophet." I believe that if a prophet is proved to be wrong even one time then, well, a prophet he is not. Want some more false prophecies of your prescious? Feel free to contact me.
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It was in history books, Of course there are some stories handed down through generations, but there ARE history books wirrten OUTSIDE the Mormon circles. So, it's ok to kill Joseph Smith and several children and familes because of their faith? If you think that's ok then you're better off joining the Muslims.
About Dead Sea Scrolls. Have you read any recent books about it?
About the "false prophecies", I am aware of that but that doesn't mean he is a false prophet. If you think you're right, then Jonah is a false prophet. Read the account of Jonah's life.
You behaved like Mormons as a big problem. Have you read any news about Mormons blowing themselves up into bits, attacking non-religious people? Nope.
Of course there are such praises as "mormons are well educated" and so on. They were based on articles outside the Mormon Church. Try reading history books and magazines instead of "anti-mormons" material which is full of recycled nonsense. May I suggest you a website where its FULL of answers to every anti-lds questions? but I am sure you don't want to read that. Most Anti-LDS didn't read it because they know they will lose an argument. Want the website link?
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Sure, give me the link. What about the dead sea scrolls? I don't recall mentioning them before. I don't read anti-mormon websites, I don't need to.
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Here's a link
http://www.fairlds.org/
my advice is, READ it all throughly with open mind. From "page to page" word by word. Contact the site owners with questions.
Don't be prepared to say "no" to everything, just research and think about it. How can a 14 years old is so brave in the face of death threats that easily could discourage him from sharing his experience.
Good luck.
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Words can not express how bad I feel for you right now. If you really believe their "explainations" you are blind, and I've barely even scratched the surface of the site. Asinine, just asinine.
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Have you EVER tried asking God personally? Have you EVER asked him if the Book of Mormon is true? If not, then what are you afraid of?
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Coincidentally, I did call Him up and ask Him one time. He laughed and said "No, and the day will come to pass that those who say 'come to pass' over and over again will see the folly of their ways." Afraid? No. Fear might work on the weak minded and small children, but not on full grown adults with more sense than God gave a goose.
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I guess you didn't then. Did you know that Mormons actually challenges non-mormons to ASK God Himself to show the correct religion (that's the reason it is rapidly growing). Most of mormons are intellectuals, such as doctors, teachers, millionaire businessmen and so on. I wonder if they're so smart, how come they're converted? Heard of Steven R Covey? The author of 7 Habits of Highly Effective People? He is a mormon and have you read his books? His books are based on Mormon lifestyle. Perhaps mormons are wrong about religion but very very very good at living their life. Again, I challenge YOU to seriously ask God. Without coming back with sarcastic responses. If you didn't then you will never ever know the correct answer until its too late. Mormons asked God and received the answer. Why don't you? You have a right and a privilege and honour to speak to Him and receive answers. If you don't bother, then He won't bother. The choice is yours. Think about it.
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No, I didn't, never needed to to be honest with you. And yes, I know all about the mormon challenge, a couple of my brother in laws were mormon missionaries. Thats awesome that doctors and billionaires are converting. Most mormons are intellectuals? Unlikely. Probably the same in percentages as any other religion.Do you really expect me to believe that billionaires are geniuses? They are generally particularly strong in knowledge in one or two areas and lacking in a whole lot of others.
No, never heard of Steven Covey and have no desire to read books on the mormon lifestyle. Mormons are just like everybody else, so don't give me the usual "very very very good" crap. I've know a bunch of them and, frankly, there are good ones, and not so good ones. Just like everybody else, amazing. Throw all the statistics at me you want, I have something numbers don't. It's called real life experiences. Mormonism was the fastest growing religion a while ago, it wasn't because God told people it was right though. Check the new numbers friend, last estimate was that mormonism would be a minority in Utah itself by 2024... or somewhere there abouts.
I will tell you this, and only one time (I may have mentioned it before, not sure), I am not your average run of the mill hater, I am not without knowledge of your religion like most who bash it are, I have had experiences with mormons both good and bad, and I know where I'm coming from. I say this only because you challenged me personally, and I promise you if you want to go tit for tat religious beliefs vs. evidence in scripture and whatnot with me you will only end up questioning yourself. It seems, I say seems, like thats the road you want to travel. If so, by all means, I welcome it. If not, and this is the wiser choice, been nice knowing you and have a nice day.
"Oh, it's ok, I'm taking it back."
If you refuse to accept the challenge to ask God then you will never know who is right. If you did ask, then you will have an evidence. It's like debating for years and years about what inside the box but refusing to open the box and see it for yourself. So, I've opened the box and experienced it all. It is difficult to "question" myself once I have all of the experiences and answers. If you refuse to get evidences and see it for yourself, then you will forever standing outside the box wondering if you're right or wrong. It's groping the darkness.
One more chance to challenge you, simply ask God and it won't hurt unless you have something to fear. If you don't accept the challenge and rely on man's thinkings and philosophy, then that's fine as it is your choice.
Wayne
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I don't need to ask... said for the second time. I do not need to ask God to have a look around in this magical box. I have lived it, I know what it is. For the record, you would not be the first one who "knew that it is true" that I caused to question their faith. Not even the second. These were not people who converted to mormonism, they were born into it. Once I opened up the door of truth it changed their lives forever... after a period of resentment for having lived a lie for their entire lives. If you're happy, good for you, thats great. If you feel like there is something that doesn't quite make sense, or that something is missing, I can help.
I have to ask. From the way you talk in a circle around this big "challenge" I am guessing that you were a missionary as well, correct? You don't have to answer if you don't want to.
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I was a missionary from 1999 to 2000 and it was a great experience for me. Of course those people who were born in Church tends to be "weaker" compared to converts because they took it for granted. Very few of them DID ask God if their Church is true and decided to be more committed to the church. Of course there are people falling away from the Church. The Church and Gospel itself are perfect, but human ain't. Some do have testimony and knowledge and experience combined, that what made them strong. If a person has a good knowledge will fall away from Church, a person with experience but no knowledge will fall away, a person with testimony and nothing else will fall away, if a person has all three, it would be difficult for them to fall away (but not impossible).
Of course I am happy with the gospel, of course I do have my ups and downs like everyone else but that doesnt mean I am perfect, but I am perfectly happy with the Gospel.
I have been exposed to those "anti-mormons" materials several times and they don't bother me because I have seen (read) from far-fetched lie to intellectual arguments (not a lie, but a reason), and they cannot remove from what I have.
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If you would care to take our conversation to a more private forum, say email for example, shoot me a message. It won't take me too long to show how imperfect mormon gospel is. OK, it'll take at least a week and a half, thats when I get back from vacation and can continue.
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"But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 "And you may say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’ 22 "When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him," (Deut. 18:20-22).
the "prophet" did die. what are we to make of this?
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What are you talking about? Mormons FOLLOW God and Jesus Christ. Not only God and Jesus Christ but "THE SAME" God and Jesus Christ every other religion follows. We believe the Book of Mormon which is a companion to the Holy Bible (which we very much believe in) was transcribed by Joseph Smith at the urging of God. The BOM is not it's own "bible", it is additional scripture saved for a time when we would need it most. If you ever took time to read about our religion you would get that.
What you have said is VERY ignorant and you most likely know nothing about the LDS church.
What are you talking about? The LDS religion not only believes in Jesus Christ and GOD but the in the SAME Jesus Christ and God the Holy Bible and all other "Christian" religions believe in. The statements you have made are more than ignorant, they are 100% not based on even one little tiny fact.
Secretive? The LDS church is not "Secretive". The Temples are private, big deal, so is just about every other "Temple" worshiped in by other religions. Temples are a sacred places where you should be worthy to enter into. What goes on in them is known by every other church member. Join the church, live a christian life and learn the "secrets" of the Temple.
And it isn't about "catching" anyone. That is ridiculous! The LDS church does more for the community than any other church does. I have never seen people who live such a true and honest Christian lifestyle in any other religion. They are truly remarkable people! Mormons want to share their love of Christ, God and YES Joseph Smith with everyone. They want all to know the joy they have found in the church.
I am a convert to the church, I searched a long time for a place where the Spirit held me. I have never experiences anything as incredible as this church. I know the church is true and I am grateful to God for bringing into my and my families life.
But please, learn some facts before spouting off about something.
What are you talking about? The LDS religion not only believes in Jesus Christ and GOD but the in the SAME Jesus Christ and God the Holy Bible and all other "Christian" religions believe in. The statements you have made are more than ignorant, they are 100% not based on even one little tiny fact.
Secretive? The LDS church is not "Secretive". The Temples are private, big deal, so is just about every other "Temple" worshiped in by other religions. Temples are a sacred places where you should be worthy to enter into. What goes on in them is known by every other church member. Join the church, live a christian life and learn the "secrets" of the Temple.
And it isn't about "catching" anyone. That is ridiculous! The LDS church does more for the community than any other church does. I have never seen people who live such a true and honest Christian lifestyle in any other religion. They are truly remarkable people! Mormons want to share their love of Christ, God and YES Joseph Smith with everyone. They want all to know the joy they have found in the church.
I am a convert to the church, I searched a long time for a place where the Spirit held me. I have never experiences anything as incredible as this church. I know the church is true and I am grateful to God for bringing into my and my families life.
But please, learn some facts before spouting off about something.
Actually that's not true. I've seen the gloves come out with other religions as well. Recently I've seen attacks towards Jehovah's Witness and Catholism. I also see quite a bit on atheism too.
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