Was Ozy a bad guy?


I didn't really view him as evil, just amoral.
Well to be fair, they all seemed amoral.
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He did annihilate an entire city of innocents just to try and make everyone unite against a common enemy, so I want to say yes. Plus, even from the beginning he had a "bad guy" vibe, he just seemed like your typical villain to me.

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Not to mention, he killed his own cat. That is pretty evil in my book

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He was trying to kill Dr. Manhattan, and the cat (Bubastis) happened to be in the way.

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Not sure what version you are talking about. In the novel, most of the city was affected, but not dead. In the movie, he annihilated half a dozen cities.

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Thought it was just NY.

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"Plus, even from the beginning he had a "bad guy" vibe, he just seemed like your typical villain to me."

One of the biggest faults of the movie.

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Yes, the portrayals of Ozymandias and the young Rorschach were way off. Other than that, I liked the casting choices of the film.

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Considering Ozymandias doesn't seem to have normal human morality, it's hard to judge him.

He murdered a ton of a people to save the lives of even more.

Does being a super genius give him the right to make those decisions?

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Considering Ozymandias doesn't seem to have normal human morality, it's hard to judge him.

That makes no sense. Do we not have the right to judge real-life psychopaths, just because they don't share our morality?

He murdered a ton of a people to save the lives of even more.

So judge him on that. Do you agree with his actions? Would you do it? Do you want to live in a world where The Few are routinely killed to increase the well-being of The Many?

Does being a super genius give him the right to make those decisions?

Not at all. It might give him insight we don't have and won't understand, but that's different than a right that comes naturally with superior intellect.

You'd have to go to religion to defend his behavior in this way. Did the God of the Christian Bible have the right to commit near genocide with the Flood? Only if you accept his moral superiority a priory, there is no way to justify this behavior if judged fairly. (Though admitted, God did a lot worse than Oz.)

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and he killed his own cat

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You could say he is more of an anti-hero than villain, doing the wrong things for the right intentions

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It's hard to find evidence in the novel, but I always took him for a grandstanding egomaniac, ie. his intentions are purely egotistical. Yes he might have saved millions (in the novel; his plan in the movie is utter crap), but that in itself does not explain his intentions.

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His intention was to prevent the annihilation of human civilization through thermo-nuclear war.

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Then I guess I have to rephrase and say that his motivation is that he is a grandstanding egomaniac.

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I think Ozymandias was a bad guy for the fact that he put himself above the rest of humanity. Granted, he wanted to get rid of the problems the world faced like pollution, poverty, lack of resources, etc. so in that sense he is noble for being almost like Bruce Wayne and wanting to use his massive resources to solve such problems. However, the problem is that he didn't remain humble, and I kept getting this vibe throughout the movie that Ozy saw himself (maybe without realizing it) as superior to the rest of humanity and especially the other business tycoons for wanting a better world.

Plus the major factor is that Ozy thought he could bring the whole world together, and yes the disaster will unite the world but BRIEFLY. No matter what happens, humanity will eventually begin to fight each other and it will always be over the same things. Race, water, oil, dirt, etc. As smart as he is, Ozy will ultimately fail and the whole attack will have been for nothing.

And remember that Rorschach recorded the whole affair in his journal and sent it to a right-wing paper, and if it happens to get published (which it probably will since they have "nothing to write about anymore") all it will take is some investigation and eventually Ozy will get found out. Even if none of the other Watchmen talk, there was a whole group of scientists Ozy annihilated and the giant outpost in Antarctica, and Ozy has been talking about uniting the world for some time. Ozy will fail, but he had too much hubris to see it and that's why I think he's a bad guy. Just my opinion though.

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I kept getting this vibe throughout the movie that Ozy saw himself (maybe without realizing it) as superior to the rest of humanity and especially the other business tycoons for wanting a better world.

What tipped you off, the Antarctic retreat, the pet gengineered lynx or his dress-up as an Egyptian Pharao?

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Plus the major factor is that Ozy thought he could bring the whole world together, and yes the disaster will unite the world but BRIEFLY. No matter what happens, humanity will eventually begin to fight each other and it will always be over the same things. Race, water, oil, dirt, etc. As smart as he is, Ozy will ultimately fail and the whole attack will have been for nothing.
I believe Ozy mentions at the end that he had solved the energy crisis so eventually the end of war will be accomplished.





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If the novel has a point then it is that its characters do not fall into simple categories like "bad guy". Not one of the protagonists (Oz, Manhattan, Rorschach, Comedian) is morally simple. That is an important part of the novel's appeal and a main reason why it's so revered and influential.

In fact, it may be one of the first pieces of popular fiction with this position. I would be surprised if it turned out that George R. R. Martin did not know Watchmen before he started writing A Song of Ice and Fire.

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He killed millions to save billions.

Look at this way, those people he killed would have died anyway along with most of the rest of the world.

What he did was ultimately good.

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