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what happened to BD Wong?


What happened to him? Was he fired as a director? He was supposed to be acting in it too. What happened to that? Was he fired both as a director and actor?

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I didn't realize he was acting in it. As for his replacement as director, obviously no official announcement was made or reason given.

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earlier imdb post showed that he was playing the character of "Stephen" in the movie. i wonder what happened to that character. BD Wong is no where to be found on "East Broadway." What happened?

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Well, i guess things like that happens in show biz. fay ann lee wrote the script and obviously knows what she wants. it must be difficult for her to see her "baby" being raised in a different way than she had wanted. that's too bad. i just feel sorry for BD because i'm sure it feels terrible to be fired.

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You're absolutely right. The script was *beep* to begin with. (believe me I read it). It is basically a vehicle for her, since she hasn't been able to get a role for awhile. This movie has been struggling to find any sort of money for 4 years now. It is, perhaps, one of the mediocre bottom romantic comedies I've seen in years.
And yes, BD Wong left, after - shal we say-creative differences? I don't really believe he got "fired", but I do believe he is a good Chinese American actor, that might have had a hard time working with the material.

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Whoever you are, I'm starting to think you have some personal issues with this film or this director. You're very determined to sink it on these boards, and if it's true you've had personal, and early, access, I'm wondering why that is. Whose friend, or whose enemy, are you exactly?

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No. I'm telling it like it is. And yes, unfortunately or fortunately, I was somewhat (marginally) invovlved some time ago, but it's not a personal issue. I never take anything personal in this biz. It's just biz.
When I see a bad story..well...it's just bad. When you know a book or a movie is good...well... you can't quite explain it, but it's good. It's that simple.

I'm not an enemy of anyone, but unlilke any other business, in the movie business you don't need any qualification to do anything. Hence the amount of crap that's out there.

But I'm not determined to sink it. If you are a NY-er go to tribeca film festival and see it. Then we'll talk.
Deal?

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Deal, if I can get a ticket.

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Just wanted to chime in on Freshfarm's sentiment.

I'm not exactly best friends with Ms. Lee, but I certainly know her periferally and on friendly terms. I didn't take freshfarm's comments to be catty, just... matter of fact.

Of course I reserve full judgement until I see it (saw the trailer just now online and my first thought was 'totally Hollywood and by the numbers' which isn't a bad thing necessarily) In any event, I'm all for one more Asian American success story, politics aside. Anyone who can get a movie like this made and further, generate a discussion like this is a-ok in my book. That it took her four years to do it only says to me that it DIDN'T take her twenty. Which has been known to happen.

Obviously, the story is not in itself unique, but I'd sooner give Ms. Lee as writer the benefit of the doubt and consider maybe it was her intention to be as broadly appealing as possible. (inner voice now says 'well duh.')

It is regretable that Mr. Wong and Ms. Lee could not reconcile their collaboration and (presumably their long-term working relationship), but judgements aside, I'm sure he's not crying over a missed opportunity- that man works EVERYWHERE!!!

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Thank you for your reply. I do try to be as impartial as possible, but I hate when people don't learn how to tell a story (even by the numbers). There are by far many good Asian American stories of first time directors, and what I found funny was that she was trying to make a movie pretty much about her life, since she is married to a Wall Street guy that gave her the money to do this film. ( should we all be that lucky).

I guess my point is, if you're going to write a romantic comedy,do a good job. I know the instance when it practically suggested to her to use BD Wong, since she had shot a few scenes from the movie (for the heck of it...by the way) to try to use it as an acting piece (she's an actress, first).

I do respect BD Wong, because he is not only a working actor, but a good one and he's not there by mistake. I do believe he has a good eye for storytelling, and I can fairly tell they have a "creative differences" issue.

I wish that she would have done the movie because she wants to "move an audience" not to see a story of her life, which is not that interesting. That's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

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I'm glad you do not yourself try your hand at script writing. The English in your message is kinda lousy. Your mail has a pungent 'jealous loser' stink about it, and simply saying BD Wong is better than Fay does not add to your credibility, so stop using him. It is a competitive world out there and BD Wong is doing just fine without slobs like you roping him into your bizarre rants against Ms Lee. You state your motive is quality control, so how about starting with yourself and make sure you step up your game when you write a few lines here?

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Oh please. Why is it that when all else fails, people fall back to the grammar/spelling insults?

I can read a script and tell it's *beep* Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can do that. Saying 'oh, why don't you write properly if you're going to insult the script' is asinine. It's a message board, not a college application, not a script. I think a few grammatical liberties are allowed, as are opinions. So if you're going to join the debate, why don't you back your argument up with more than mindless insults.

These were also some of the most coherent things I've read on IMDB in awhile, so I shouldn't think you have much of a reason to call them 'bizarre rants'. They were bashing anyone. There wasn't a torrent of obscenities.

PS - "kinda" is lousy English.

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Anybody who thinks the only appropriate place for good grammar and spelling is a college application is an ass.

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Amen.


"Hate the sin, love the sinner."

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I don't know about the director piece, but his character is still in the film (I just saw it tonight). His role was pretty small though.

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Are you going to post a comment?

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The truth is, Brad delivered an amateurish and pretentious cut of the film that was far removed in spirit from Fay's screenplay. Where she wrote a light, romantic comedy about the misadventures of a social climber, he lensed and delivered a heavy-handed social commentary on the state of Asian-Americans in contemporary society. He also took the opportunity to inflate his role (as "Stephen") far beyond its original importance. (That character is there simply as a counterpoint to "Grace": He is uppercrust and slumming as a regular guy; she is a regular gal thrust into the uppercrust.)

As someone who knows both of these players well, I will not say that either is completely blameless in this. However, Brad is more to blame as he strayed from Fay's original vision.

Throw into the mix the fact that the producers were not pleased with Brad's work, and the fact that his enormous ego prevented him from reshooting or making requested changes, and you have the circumstances that left everyone involved in the position of having no choice but to fire him.

Yes, he's a fine actor. No, he's not a good director. There's no shame in that, it's simply a matter of fact.

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Did you see his cut yourself?

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Yes. I am not "involved" in the film, but as I said, I know all the players and these rough screeners have their way of making it into my hands. Trust me, if the final product is innocuous fun, that original version was nearly incomprehensible, art-school roadkill.

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Thank you for your measured, but illuminating, contribution. If anything, I admire Fay Ann Lee and Gale Harold more, for starting over and getting the job done, despite the film's imperfections. It could all have imploded under the weight of internal politics if negativity had been allowed to rule the day. Their ride to Tribeca Festival was a hell of a lot harder, and required a hell of a lot more tenacity, than I imagined.

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that's too bad. was it because bd's vision detracts ms. lee's effort to showcase herself in the film? what did bd do to the film that messed it up? how much of bd's directorial footage end up in the final cut? and how much reshoots did they do?

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No, the original version showcased "Grace" every bit as much as the final one does. She is, after all, the protagonist.

Calling what Mr. Wong delivered a "vision" is like referring to mud pies as "cuisine." He didn't really have an encompassing vision, per se, but rather the sort of haphazard collection of footage one might expect from a first-time director. He seemed to lose sight of the fact that -- one day -- all of the stuff he was shooting was going to have to be assembled into a coherent narrative.

In the end, I think it's fair to say that 1/4 to 1/3 of the final product is from Brad's footage. That is, 2/3 to 3/4 of the film was reshot.

Based on the audience reaction at the Tribeca screening I attended, the producers made the absolutely correct decision. Or rather, they made the absolutely correct decision for themselves and their investors. This is, after all, supposed to be a commercial film, not a masturbatory, art-house exercise.

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Brad's footage?

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I'm not sure I understand your question.

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Sorry - I am so used to him being referred to as BD, I forgot his first name was Brad!

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Yeah. That is kinda odd. All because of M. Butterfly, soooo many years ago.

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This blog review (the first one I've found) is interesting in terms of this conversation:

Tribeca Review: East Broadway
Posted Apr 29th 2006 5:32PM by Martha Fischer
Filed under: Comedy, Independent, Romance, Tribeca, Theatrical Reviews

Back when it was called Social Grace, East Broadway, Fay Ann Lee’s debut future, was listed as the directorial debut of B. D. Wong. At some point very, very late in production, “artistic differences” grew up between Wong and the producers, and he was replaced as director by Lee, the film’s writer and star. Subsequently, Wong request that his name be completely removed from the movie’s credits, despite the fact that he plays a major supporting role. You could say, then, that it’s fair to describe East Broadway as a “troubled production.” It also fair to say that this minor controversy is by the far the most interesting thing about the film, a lightweight Cinderella story set in and around New York’s Chinatown.

In addition to writing and (sort of) directing East Broadway, Lee also stars in the film as Grace Tang, a single, 30-something Chinese-American woman who has spent most of her life trying to escape her poor, Chinatown past. Even as a financially secure, well-established adult, she still pursues her childhood dream of acceptance by those she considers her social superiors: her current dream is to be part of the unattainable Park Avenue elite, attending regular benefits, charity auctions, and opulent balls. To that end, she crams furiously on opera in order to be well-prepared for an opera-related benefit to which she’s wrangled an invitation.

It is while at the opera event that Grace is mistaken for a member of Hong Kong’s Tang family, the creators of up-scale clothing line Shanghai Tang, and immediately esteemed by the assembled rich, lily-white masses. Because this is a movie, Grace doesn’t bother to correct the misunderstanding and, before she knows it, is involved with Andrew Harrington, Jr. (Queer as Folk's Gale Harold) a lawyer she meets at the party. Andrew is the perfect Prince Charming: wealthy, caring (except towards his girlfriend, whom he doesn’t bother to tell about Grace), and with a social conscience -- he works in the federal prosecutor’s office and is trying to close Chinatown sweatshops. As played by Harold, he’s also miserably bland, and he and Lee’s Grace have embarrassingly little chemistry. Their scenes together are painfully stilted, and often sound as if they were produced by a Cinderella-movie writing machine, including lines like “I’ve never met anyone like you before!”, and “I couldn’t believe that someone like you could ever be with someone like me.”

After a few minor, entirely predictable pitfalls and twists, the movie ends up right were youd expect, and everyone lives happily ever after. However, despite the fact that the plot constantly dramatizes the two worlds Grace straddles -- she is wealthy, and lives on the Upper East Side, while her much-loved Chinese-speaking parents still live in a tiny Chinatown apartment -- the difference between her background and that of her dream man is mentioned only once in the film. Given the visual and thematic emphasis on Grace’s inner conflict, one wonders of the decision to almost completely remove discussion of class and race from the movie’s script wasn’t the source of the conflict between Wong and East Broadway’s producers. Even in very brief interviews back when he was director, Wong tended to foreground class difference and Grace’s social ambitions when he discussed the story, and those things are hardly mentioned in the film as it exists today.

These rather significant complaints aside, however, there’s a charming lack of seriousness to the film that renders it surprisingly watchable (as opposed to other weak first features with Tribeca premieres). Lee is reasonably convincing as Grace, and the supporting cast -- the best of which is Ken Leung who, as Grace’s younger brother Ming, outshines bigger names Roger Rees, Christine Baranski, and Margaret Cho -- adds some heft and interest to the film. While I wouldn’t recommend passing up anything to see East Broadway, if you’re a Tribeca addict with a free time slot, you could do worse than take in this harmless romantic comedy.

http://www.cinematical.com/2006/04/29/tribeca-review-east-broadway/
Although the author is intrigued by the possibility that relevant social commentary of the kind Wong favored might help the film, the proof of the pudding may be in this "These rather significant complaints aside, however, there’s a charming lack of seriousness to the film that renders it surprisingly watchable (as opposed to other weak first features with Tribeca premieres)." Wong's cut might have been one of those "other weak first features."

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The film will clearly be audience-led rather than critics-led. Unless that critic is a poor soul who has sat in agony through a string of weird indies beforehand, and is relieved to watch some light relief.

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wow, so you actually saw bd's version of the film? how did you do that? they didn't show that version at the festival, did they? why do people refer to him as brad here? bd=brad?

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Wow, if 3/4 of the final version was reshot, then they've wasted a lot of money and resources! That's almost like making two films!!! My god, I feel so sorry for the producers who put up the money. If a director wasted that much money and gets fired from his/her first directing job, that's a bad sign. I find it very hard to believe how someone like bd, who has years of experience, can *beep* up like that. that's just not possible.

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That's not necessarily a goof. There may have been nothing they could do about it.

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I'll tell you how. If it was longer during the first shooting period, he may not have had time to grow it to that length before he was called back to do re-shoots (which were done some time after the shooting that Wong directed). Or, if it was longer when he was called back, he may have been committed to another project where he was forbidden to cut his hair. When he read for the film in the first place, he had to read with the scruffy hair and beard he grew for another project (presumably "The Unseen").

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You don't know much about industry FX then (and I don't just mean CGI). Poor continuity of any kind is inexcusable. That kind of glaring error is a mark of shoddy workmanship by *whoever* is directing, nothing more, nothing less.
Welcome to the world of indies, you pretentious twerp. "FX" is jargon for special effects - a concept which includes neither styling nor continuity. Excuse, or choose not to excuse, what you please, but if Gale Harold is wedging in re-shoots between other things, then it may be the employer who has him under contract for "The Unit" or "Deadwood" who is pulling the strings, and will not choose to "excuse" the breach of a hair clause in his contract.

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FX includes items such as wigs, hair extensions, make up. A continuity error remains that - a continuity error. No amount of rationalizing can cover up what is plainly a goof.

And watch it with the insults.
Watch it with your own insults, toots. I mean stuff like this:
"You don't know much about industry FX then (and I don't just mean CGI). Poor continuity of any kind is inexcusable. That kind of glaring error is a mark of shoddy workmanship by *whoever* is directing, nothing more, nothing less."
You're the one with the patronizing attitude and the cocksure use of the wrong terminology to make the wrong accusations. We'll get to your little theory that "poor continuity of any kind is inexcusable" at the end of this post (and you're not going to like it when we do), but in the meantime, kindly don't play the injured party.

It's a flaw in the continuity, not necessarily a "goof." In this case, almost certainly not a goof, since the length varies consistently between two sets of scenes shot at different times. A goof would mean that they failed to be aware of the difference in his hair between the first shoot and the second, even though it involved every single new scene.

Welcome to the world of indies. If Gale Harold is wedging in re-shoots between other things, it may be that the employer who has him under contract for "The Unit" or "Deadwood" won't excuse a breach of a hair clause in his contract, and will subject him to fines. An example of that is ready to hand. Normally an actor will audition for a part looking as much like the character as he can manage. Gale had to audition for Andrew Barrington (as Lee says in an interview) in a full beard, for a project (presumably "The Unseen") that he was doing at the time.

I have offered, not a "rationalization," but a theory of what happened -- that it was, regrettably, not under their control. It's a theory that fits the facts and doesn't strain credulity, unlike your own theory that not a soul connected with the production thought about Gale's hair when they tried to match new footage with old.

And no, Gale's haircut is not under the category of "special effects." There is indeed a category called "special effects makeup," but unless Gale is playing the Abominable Snowman of the Himalayas, neither his hair nor his makeup are likely to fall under it. The only "goof" here, as I see it, is your ostentatiously inappropriate use of the term "FX."

I happen to have seen the movie on Friday, since our original exchange, and personally, even though we'd already had this conversation, I barely noticed the changes in the length of his hair. Not everybody is equally attentive to the same details. If I had known none of the movie’s history, I’d simply have thought he had a lot of different looks.

And even admitting it's a continuity flaw, there are others much more important. For example, when did Harold’s character meet Cho’s character, who approaches him so familiarly at the Gatsby Ball? And why is the dress Grace is fitted for not the same one she tries on in the shop? These things may not be "goofs" either, but bits of bad luck. Maybe they couldn't re-shoot Gale's meeting with Cho because one of the two wasn't available within a contracted reshoot period. Maybe the original dress had been released from wardrobe back to Shanghai Tang and sold. Or maybe both of these continuity problems really were just plain old errors.

But the fact that there are continuity flaws doesn’t mean one can’t enjoy the movie. These are not make or break, not by a long shot. Compared to the confusion in “The Big Sleep,” “Night Moves,” and “The Conversation” (all highly esteemed films), this is absolutely nothing. And the suggestion that we should all fold our arms and refuse to like the movie because of Gale Harold’s hair is beyond preposterous. I’ve spent my entire life watching Judy Garland’s weight go up and down from scene to scene in “A Star Is Born,” and I’ve never seen it send anybody screaming from the room.

This site has continuity flaws in the listings for large numbers of mainstream Hollywood films we all know and love. You want the list for "Casablanca"?:
* A knight on the chessboard disappears momentarily in the opening chess game.

* The man who is shot escaping from police dies next to an arch where a woman suddenly appears.

* Rick's tie is suddenly knotted differently when he sees Ilsa in the bazaar.

* When Rick gets on the train after standing in the rain, his coat is completely dry.

* The Venetian blinds in Victor's and Ilsa's hotel room.

* While chatting to Captain Renault outside the Café Américain, Rick lights a cigarette, then in the next shot, lights another.

* At the airport, the epaulets on Major Strasser's coat disappear and reappear between shots.

* An extra (elderly man with white goatee and hat) is shown being herded into the police station along with other "usual suspects" and in the very next shot is seen along the street peering upward at the plane landing from Lisbon.

* In the hangar scene at the airport, the bottles of "Vichy water" on the shelf below the table change positions between shots.

* When Rick receives the transit documents from Ugarte, he pockets them in his inside right pocket. When he gets them out and puts them on Sam's piano, he gets them out of his left inside pocket.

* When Victor goes to get the papers from Rick, he takes off his hat and stands with his arm by his side. A second later he is suddenly holding his lapel, and subsequently lowers his arm again.

* Early on in the movie, from the perspective of the band, you see that Sam has his piano facing towards the band. When we see it again a few moments later, the piano is facing away from the band.

* When Rick is listening to Annina explain the situation in Bulgaria with his back to the camera, we see him take a drink of Brandy. The shot switches before he put his glass down. But in the new shot with the camera facing him, Rick only has a cigarette in his hand and the Brandy glass isn't visible.

* When he enters in the Rick's, Ugarte passes through the people who are in the doorway and turns to his right. The subsequent shot shows him walking to the left, behind Rick.

* When Major Strasser talks with Rick about Laszlo, he leans his elbows on the table and crosses his fingers. In the next shot he is raising his right hand to join his left. And after, between cuts, he appears with both arms leaning on the table.

* Laszlo enters Rick's and sits down with Ilsa on his left-hand side. Soon after, when a woman begins to play guitar and to sing, Laszlo appears sitting with Ilsa on his right side.

* Ilsa sends the waiter to call Sam. Sam pushes the piano to Ilsa's table. When Rick comes to reprimand Sam for singing "As Time Goes By," he is standing next the piano, which Sam has pushed away from the table. In the next long shot, Rick is a little ways from Ilsa's table, which has changed places.

* When Laszlo enters Rick's for the first time, he puts his hat on a chair next to the one he sits in. Later, before Capt. Renault sits on the same chair, Laszlo picks up the hat and puts it on the floor. When Laszlo leaves, he does not pick up his hat. But when he leaves Rick's, he is holding his hat.

* When Carl sits with a couple of friends, he finishes pouring the brandy and rubs his hands together. In the following shot, his right hand is resting on his left arm.

* When Rick has a discussion outside and they are regularly bathed with the lighthouse light every few seconds the time for a full turn varies due to cuts in the scene.

* During the discussion between Rick and the police captain in the captain's office, the cigarettes keep changing - sometimes missing, burned at different lengths, etc.

* When Rick places the letters of transit under Sam's pile of sheet music on the piano, the sheet music is on the right side (from the back) and Sam's ashtray and drink are on the left. Later the drink and ashtray are on the right and the sheet music is on the left.
MGM wasn't exactly an association of amateurs, and Michael Curtiz was neither an amateur nor inexperienced. With that list of continuity errors, any one of which you claim is "inexcusable," I guess the Best Picture of 1942 is off your list. But if that's your attitude, I think we can pretty much dismiss your personal pretensions to industry knowledge or cinephile sophistication, those of us who haven't already done so.

As for those of us with more open minds and more circumspection, maybe we'll go a little easier than you on Fay Ann Lee, the "shoddy workman" who delivered this highly entertaining little film. The audience I was a part of absolutely loved it. A large auditorium at Loew's Lincoln Plaza was practically filled, the crowd laughed at all the right places (the Chinese-Americans, in particular, seemed to love the movie), and applauded at the end. Almost everybody stayed for the Q&A afterwards, where not a single negative question was asked, and the audience was, indeed, big with the compliments. And you know what? There were plenty of people there from the film industry who presumably know what "FX" means, and not one of them screamed "shoddy" or "inexcusable" at Ms. Lee.

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ducdebrabant,
Just wanted to say I appreciate your passion in expressing your point of view. And the amount of effort you put out in your argument. I also feel you are one of only a few posters on this board that do not have hidden agenda in destroying or promoting this film. Thanks.

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Thank you. Yes, there does seem to be a lot of blood on the floor, doesn't there? I guess it's inevitable. B.D. Wong is a much-liked personality, and no doubt a lot of his friends and admirers think he was shafted. Fay Ann Lee seems to have her partisans too. By the way, Wong is delightful in the film, as is Margaret Cho. The movie lights up when either of them appears.

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Omigod. Please take it easy. And please don't have a heart attack. It's just a post. Gosh, don't you have something else to do on a lovely sunday afternoon than writing this LONG response? I'm kind of amused and wonder what was triggered inside you that propelled you to write this response. It's just a post!!!

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Omigod. Please take it easy. And please don't have a heart attack. It's just a post. Gosh, don't you have something else to do on a lovely sunday afternoon than writing this LONG response? I'm kind of amused and wonder what was triggered inside you that propelled you to write this response. It's just a post!!!
It was patronizing, personally insulting, uninformed and unfactual, and I responded to it. Omigod. Please take it easy. And please don't have a heart attack. It's just a response. I'm kind of amused and wonder what was triggered inside you that propelled you to react to it this way. It's just a response!!! Don't you have something else to do on a lovely Sunday afternoon?

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it may be uninformed, but come on, why did you feel insulted personally or care so much about it. take it easy. what's the big deal? it's just a post!!!

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I was told I obviously knew nothing about filmmaking (I use the broader term, since the actual word "FX" was so ridiculously misapplied). And the allegation that I don't know what I'm talking about was practically the sum total of the statement. The response to my particular points was absolutely nil. It was extremely insulting, and extremely personal. Why are you more exercised about the response than about the post itself? Neither is any skin off your nose, but I, as a matter of fact, was right.

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You wrote:
"MGM wasn't exactly an association of amateurs, and Michael Curtiz was neither an amateur nor inexperienced. With that list of continuity errors, any one of which you claim is "inexcusable," I guess the Best Picture of 1942 is off your list."

Ahem! Casablanca was not made by MGM and was not the best picture in 1942.

Where's your crew?
On the 3rd planet.
There IS no 3rd planet!
Don't you think I know that?

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If you do get to see the film and you are curious as to how much of the film was shot during B.D.'s tenure and how much during Fay's, one need only to keep an eye on the changing length of Gale Harold's hair throughout the film. Short = 2004; longer = 2005. That said, I enjoyed the movie, and the director did say that it was a rough cut upon which she planned to do further color correction and sound tweaking .

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Yes, the magically growing and shrinking hair. Well, at least he didn't have that gawd-awful scraggly beard he's been seen sporting lately.

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Well he didnt disappear entirely from this project. He still plays a small part as "Stephen". I know this for sure, because well, I saw the movie. Sorry if this has already been discussed, I just skimmed through the posts.

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