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Discuss the film's title - Nobody Knows


Discussing symbolism, I am surprised no one has posted a discussion regarding the title of the film - "Nobody Knows." Perhaps the title is not an accurate translation? I do not know. However, discussing the title as is, "Nobody Knows" means many things, at least to me. Perhaps this issue is so obvious to others that no one has felt the need to post. However, I enjoy others' perspectives, so here I go, and maybe an intelligent discussion will begin.

1. Obviously, the fact that no one knows the children have been abandoned and are attempting to survive on their own is most likely the primary reason for the title;

2. The fact that Akira is alone and no one knows what he is thinking, what he is feeling. The assumption is that when the children are found, as eventually they will be, Akira will be looked upon in a certain way due to his circumstances. Certain feelings will be assigned to him by the authorities, those feelings based upon what he endured and what he did. But no one will really understand - nobody knows - what he has experienced, unless someone finally looks at him and pays attention to him - and no one in authority did give him any real attention in the film. The same may be said for the other children. (That is why the directing of this film just took my breath away - the communication of each child's feelings just burst through the camera. I am awed and amazed);


3. Nobody knows what happens to the children. Sure, the logical assumption is that they are eventually discovered by the authorities, BUT we don't know that, even though the film is based on a true story (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affair_of_the_four_abandoned_children_of_Sugamo);

4. Nobody knows how Yuki died. Yes, to surmise that she died of a fall and malnutrition is valid, but we don't know.

There is so much that is left open to interpretation about this film. In my opinion, Dare mo shiranai is not about the true events that befell the real children, and is not even about the events that happened to the children in the film. Dare mo shiranai shows us how the CHILDREN view what is happening to them ; because the human race, in a broad sense, trivializes, devalues the lives of children, the film makes explicit that even as the children are being wrenched apart emotionally and physically, nobody knows - because they are "just" children.

In my opinion, that is where the real beauty of this film begins, by showing us through such simple and eloquent cinematography and directing that these children DO matter, that all children matter. They are NOT "just" children.

Dare mo shiranai is independent film at its best - at least here in the US.

"You must be the change you seek in this world."

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Though some of those are interesting, I think you are simply overthinking the title and that it is just that nobody knows they've been abandoned.

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But then I ALWAYS "overthink!"

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There, there, I'm sure you'll manage.

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WELL! At least it is nice to know I am not the only one who over-thinks!

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I think the title has greater significance. I think the writer wanted to make a statement about some aspects of Japanese culture, especially with regard to the ever-present obligation to save face. "Nobody knows" could be interpreted (not literally) to mean "nobody wants to know" or "nobody will admit to knowing".

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Nobody knows, including the children themselves. They are trying to deal with a situation that they themselves don't/can't fully comprehend.

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Rather than that, I think it is more accurate to say as someone else pointed out that nobody wants to know. Or nobody wants to face up to the situation, the concequences.

Throughout the film, outsiders of the children family unit are given insight after insight into their predicament, and yet no one intervenes. First off...

- Authorities / companies don't bother investigating why the bills are long overdue, even when there's no reply to them when they threaten to cut them off. Yet shut up as soon as it is paid.

- The kids are in full view of the public nearly all the time. No one directly enquires why four kids are alone, washing themselves and their clothes under a public tap, gathering water in a bucket day in and day out

- The convenience store employees know exactly what is going on. They see Akira time and again, becoming more dirty, clothes more ripped, begging for soon-out-of-date food and snacks. It is obvious they are being neglected which is why the female employee enquires to Akira about their mother. Unfortunately her enquiry only extends to that mere question and not for further action.

- The landlady also eventually becomes aware about what is going on. She sees a rotting appartment, a mess of a place, and children she knows weren't originally registered to live there. Yet she walks out without doing anything, probably because despite the rent being overdue as long as it is paid in the end it's not her problem, and that scenario is more welcome than chancing to let out to new people that she may not get.

- The baseball coach. Seeing a mucked out kid, sitting outside when they should be at school... Again if not obvious than at least suspect. But rather than calling anyone, the most he seems able to do, perhaps what he sees as enough is to pity the boy and allow him to play a baseball match

So you see, throughout we are given glimpses of their demise in blatant public places. People know, they just don't want to know. The most the adults want to do is take pity be it left-over snacks, a baseball match, leniancy on the rent, or a simple question. That's about the extent of them wanting to know, but no more as getting too involved is something not preferable in this time of self-indulgence and self-survival. You see, the mother of the film isn't the only self-indulgent one, indeed her self-indulgence could be the only one in the film to be understandable because the way she reacts to her children (almost child-like) might suppose she is mentally challenged in some way. Or a victim of her her own (similar to the kids) circumstance, which is why she doesn't seem to fully appreciate the extremity of the situation (when she thinks an annual 10000 yen handout is enough for a year). But perhaps it's just because she doesn't want to know.

However, it is the self-indulgence of other adults that is most shocking. Unlike the mother, these adults were seemingly brought up with the proper morals and values which is why they are holding responsible jobs, even being teachers. Yet they don't involve themselves to obvious signs of neglect.

It is an incredibly sad sign of the times, and it doesn't just extend to Japan. Here in the UK the caring of the wellbeing of others is becoming a rarity for the general public. Thirty years ago, this street I am on, it would have been seen as par for the course to know everyone who lived on it. It would be "neighbourly". Now, I have little clue who lives on this street, partly because they don't want it but also partly because I don't either.

Even when people scream in a town or city centre most do not think to enquire. Why do you think authorities suggest shouting "fire" instead of shouting out the real crime? Because people take more notice of something that could possibly come to harm themselves.

It's this lack of wellbeing of others and only wellbeing of the self and those close that makes these cases such as the film a reality. That makes the case of "Baby P" here in the UK a reality. The obvious blame is towards the person that placed the victim in that situation, however it is our responsibility (authorities, neighbours, people that see signs of neglect) to ensure the awful outcome of that situation doesn't come to pass.

Unfortunately, nobody wants to know.

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Thank you for such an in-depth analysis. A joy to read. I agree.

To whoever reads this, note that any questions in the following paragraph are rhetorical. Please do not respond angrily.

For me, the brilliance of the title lies in its irony - EVERYBODY knows. The title 誰も知らない highlights the lack of action, raising questions about responsibility: does a bystander have a responsibility to a stranger who is struggling to survive? Many of us would like to think so; we say we would go out of our way to help if we saw a child with holes in his shirt, who had just washed his hair in the park. Although the mother appears incompetent and selfish, she raises a relevant question: "Don't I deserve to be happy?" Viewers probably agree that a mother has a duty to her children, and that the mother in this film failed to fulfill that duty. Where it gets complex is with the more ambiguous relationships in the film. Does occasionally seeing someone on the street qualify as a relationship? Consider that that person is in trouble. Should you provide assistance if it will severely infringe on your own happiness or ability to survive? The theme of conflicting duties was interesting, particularly because the film was set in modern Asia.

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We also don't know the circumstances of the abandonment by the fathers. Did they reject the mother, or was it her choice to abandon them so she could keep her lifestyle?

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If it was an American film, I'd think they were trying to evoke that old folk song, 'Nobody knows the trouble I've seen'.

I actually agree with all of your interpretations. I kinda detest the attitude of 'don't overthink'. Yeah, because thinking too much - that's what got us into this mess...

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Good post, but I have a quibble with one thing you said:

"The baseball coach. Seeing a mucked out kid, sitting outside when they should be at school... Again if not obvious than at least suspect. But rather than calling anyone, the most he seems able to do, perhaps what he sees as enough is to pity the boy and allow him to play a baseball match"

I actually think that is giving him too much credit in a way. He is heard right before that, being upset that because other kids are studying and so on, they do not have enough players. So he needs Akira to have enough players to field a team.

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I think there's serious irony in how the convenience store clerk, the landlord, Saki, and perhaps several others knew about their situation but didn't do anything. I think those moments were particularly troubling to me because of the title.

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I think that I found a more detailed explanation for the japanese title when I first watched (and read about) the movie. Unfortunately, I don't know where I read it and I might even mis-remember it; so this might be considered unsourced information.

"Dare mo shiranai" can be translated as "nobody can know" - but not "can" in the sense of "may" (although this would fit into the children's intention as well). Rather in the sense of "it is impossible to know". It was stated (in my original source) that "Dare mo shiranai" is a standard answer schoolchildren give to a teacher when they do not know the answer but want to state that nobody else could have given it, either.

In the context of the movie, this could be seen as the adult's answer. They did not "know" about the children being neglected - but how could anyone have known? It was impossible for them to know about this and so they do not want to consider themselves guilty of not having taken any action.

As was stated before (in this threads and maybe others), the sad irony is that a lot of adults could have known but decided to ignore.

And after thinking this through, I believe that "Nobody Knows" is indeed a very good translation carrying the original message
- in the case that my memory serves me correctly and the translation information is true.

Regards,

TCC

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Your explanation sounds logical to me, and I don't think you overthought it!

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