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Am I the only one who thought the mother was a prostitute?


I kinda had a sneaking suspision that the mother was a prostitute. The really strange times of coming home late/drunk. Getting late night calls from men, different fathers. Going out of town for extended periods of time. I could swear that when she takes the eldest son out before catching a train out of town that she makes some kind of reference about money to be made in other cities.

Maybe I just formulated it in my mind because it fits better that way. It would make it easier to categorize, I think we like to do that. Like, ah it's ok then, that makes sense. Just my observation.

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d'oh

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My husband (who watched the movie with me) thought she was a prostitute too. I kept waiting for the end to reveal where she had been. My only qualm was when the movie ended it didnt answer some questions, such as-
exactly how long were they living like that?
where WAS the mother?
How did they finally get 'discovered'?

If you look on WIKIPEDIA you will see the real events that inspired the movie. The mother had hooked up with a new boyfriend and only when she saw the childrens story on the news did she come clean and turn herself in.

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Those things were answered but in a subtle way:

exactly how long were they living like that?


It shows them go through christmas (winter) through to summer (everyone was sweating).

where WAS the mother?


Akira tries to call his mother and she answers but with a different surname. That's why he says nothing because he's shocked to hear she's started another family.

How did they finally get 'discovered'?


That doesn't get revealed as far as I recall (watched it twice) but I don't think it's too important. You can kind of imagine they get spotted washing their clothes in the park and other similar things.

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I already had that thought when she was putting lipstick on her lips before 'going to work', while talking to her oldest son.

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And telling the guy on the phone it was "too late" to get together.

I thought so, and I'm sure most people did.

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I think the film leaves it up to the viewer to decide whether she is a prostitute or not. There are hints at it such as the lipstick, but it's not like there is overwhelming evidence.

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With all due respect to the other commenters here, I don't think she was a prostitute at all. If she was a prostitute, that wouldn't have prevented her from coming home to take care of her family and live with her family.

My interpretation was pretty basic, I think. She wanted to live with a guy, but she thought that she could never live with that guy if he knew she already had four kids. So she abandoned them.

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Well that would be why she left, clearly, but I don't necessarily think she was a prostitute. She could of been a hostess, or someone who worked at a bar. She probably wouldn't be earning that much money since she much older. That would explain how she kept meeting guys, and why she would put bright red lipstick on before work.

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She is no prostitute.
Before leaving, she had a job.

Remember? Around 0'55, Akira tries to call her at work.
'Sanwa Galeries', whatever this is, sounds like a legit workplace.
Her former employer even informs Akira that his mother left her job a month ago.

I agree with Asc85. She's just away with a man she's in love with.
Her kids are an obstacle in her own way to happiness, and I guess that she sincerely believed they would do fine enough with her sending money from time to time.

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I totally agree with you. I know you have not seen the movie in a while (post is older) but I don't think she was a prostitute. She was seeking happiness for herself, and did not care what happened to her children in the process. She wanted a man, who did not want her children, so she left them behind and sent money from her employment.


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I never once thought she was a prostitute. Just a bad mother that's fallen in love with a man who she probably is trying to hide her children from, so she will stay with him, and she can be happy.

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In the film, when Akira calls her work number and asks for her, the man who answers at that extension greets with, ''mens' clothing''.
I don't think the mother was an actual prostitute. Her sickly sweet demeanor and obsession with fame portray a very selfish & immature woman with no idea of reality. It's damn disgusting.

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I agree with her immature and childish quest for money and her selfish interest in her relationship as a cause of her leaving her children.

Yet, I can't ignore the fact that Akira had such a strong reaction when Saki sang Karaoke with the businessman for money. That scene alone suggested to me that while the mom may not have been a full blown street walker, she may have had a select group of men she slept or spent time with for money. The same men that Akira went to for cash. She probably had a legit day job but supporting 4 children is not cheap...

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I didn't think for once that she was a prostitute. She left just to find happiness for herself and the children obviously didn't fit in that picture.

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She was a party girl. She may not have turned tricks per se as in streetwalker, but she clearly accepted gifts and also money from guys who were interested in her. Is there a difference? Yes, a case can be made that this is what a prostitute does, but there is a subtle difference in terms of mindset.

One more thing: although it may not be clear about whether she was a prostitute or not, there is one thing that is not debatable: she was an immature jerk.

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Maybe she was a Karoake singer?





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The hostess thing is really big in Japan. Thats not prostitution - it just involves late nights singing karaoke with business men and keeping a smile on your face. I think the director points quite directly at at that - it fits with the late call to karaoke, the dropping off home by taxi and he way she talks to and about her clients. She also seems to have a day job. But I think it's key to the story that there is this one guy in the background. Not a succession of johns.

I think the mother is one of the most intriguing characters. At first we see her as a young single mum doing her best at coping with adversity. Japan can be very unforgiving for single mums - or for all kinds of people on that society's fringes. She loves her kids in her way and is trying to hold the family together. We know the family had been split up before as Akira mentions to the junior convinience store cashier. She's working all hours to try and make ends meet. She's desparately unhappy (Akira observes her crying as she's waking up) yet she does her best to keep up the moral of the kids with cheerful banter, makeup and games.
But at the same time she's mentally unhinged. She's totally bought into this guy from the hostessclub who says he's going to marry her and make everything ok as she explains to Akira on the balcony. She's being taken for a ride - yet she wants to believe, for the benefit of her children, that this guy could be the big break she needs to make it all right. So she goes away with him for a few days. The kids seem to cope ok (in her mind), so she does it again. And somewhere along the line there is a breaking point where the can block out their existence. Maybe the guy convinces her that they dont need her, that she deserves her happiness too, that Akira is old enough now. She believes what she wants to believe, allows herself to be pursuaded. Somewhere along the way while apart from the kids she slips from airhead wishful thinking to willful disregard.

The real "bad guy" in this movie is not the mother, it's the community surrounding the children. Akira openly tells both fathers that mum has gone away. "maji da!" ("no way!") is all taxi dad can say. All the convenience store staff know. The landlady from upstairs with the pugdog knows. Plenty of other people if they could just open their eyes could see. But everyone is tied up in the formality of their structured society and the firm belief that it must be someone elses responsibility. I think the title "Nobody Knows", is ironic. Everybody knows.

So whether or not the mother is a prostitute I think distracts from the main theme of this film. It's not a film about her, although she is a beautifully rich character. It's a comment on the difficulties of large scale Japanese metropolitain society. Its a geat film about an aspect of Japan not often explored.

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I totally agree with your assessment. Your reasoning of the mother's profession and other interpretations of her personal characters are dead on.

One small disagreement though, when you said... "The real 'bad guy' in this movie is not the mother..."... I think it should be "The real 'bad guy' in this movie is not ONLY the mother..." (Was it a typo on your part?)

I like your observation of the irony of the title "Nobody Knows", yet really must be "Everybody Knows". Also, your conclusion of her being a prostitute or not, with "... an aspect of Japan not often explored", are very perceptive and accurate.

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You are being way too easy on the mother, WAY. "Beautifully rich character"? No, she does not deserve such credit.

She does not deserve happiness, she is morally despicable and needs to be in jail.


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"The real "bad guy" in this movie is not the mother, it's the community surrounding the children. Akira openly tells both fathers that mum has gone away. "maji da!" ("no way!") is all taxi dad can say. All the convenience store staff know. The landlady from upstairs with the pugdog knows. Plenty of other people if they could just open their eyes could see. But everyone is tied up in the formality of their structured society and the firm belief that it must be someone elses responsibility."

Why aren't you making excuses for them, like you did for the mother??? Maybe they're just "desparately unhappy" and "believe what they want to believe" and allowing themselves to be "pursuaded", hmmm?

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