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What did Saki do for the money?


Did she really just sing karaoke with the man?

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She probably didn't. If you've watched other Japanese films about high school life, they often show young high school girls going off with business men into hotels to sell their bodies. Akira most likely guessed that and didn't want the "dirty" money.

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Regardless of whether she sold her body for the money or not, I think Akira turned down the money because it reminded him of how his mother got money. She would go out with some guy and that's who she would get her money from.

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I think Saki was too young to have sex with a business man. There is a big business of hostess clubs where people are paid money to basically to simply have someone dine with them or help the "party going."

But it is a pretty shameless business. It is easy for girls to end up having sex after the dinner, or people end up falling in love with hostesses, and are known to spend all their money on the hostess.

And besides that, being a hostess is very lowly regarded by females. If a wife found out that her husband was going to a club, it would be equivalent to finding out your husband was at strip club.

Bounce Ko Gals shows a decent depiction of hostessing with teenage girls. Smart girls won't have sex with guys, but some girls will go for the extra money. The Great Happiness Space is a documentary showing the disturbing business of male hostessing. It clearly shows that prostitution of a real business in Japan.

Anyways, point is, she probably didn't have sex with him. But what she did is considered really bad in Japan. Probably the closest example in the US would be if a girl went to take photos with that creepy guy in the mall. If a guy took a photo of a child topless, it might not scar the child because they don't know what is fully going on or what the intentions are. But we all know when people find out what is going on, hell breaks loose by the parents.

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Not saying that sex was had in THIS movie....but you are naive to think that a man wouldn't have sex with a girl her age. I would call it rape, regardless if the CHILD was willing.

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Yes. It's pretty obvious, since she care to say it: she just went to the karaoke.
I may be wrong, but I see no reason why she would lie, while she could just have remained silent.

Akira reacts angrily, maybe because he's jealous, maybe because he sees that as a dishonourable way of making money, maybe because it reminds him of his own mother's behaviour (dating men).

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I agree with vertigo1982. When Saki and the Oyaji come out of the building the sign by the door they come out of says in neon, ''kareoke''. If the director meant to imply sex went down on Saki's ''compensated date'' there probably woukd have been love hotel signs in the BG.

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Yes, she most likely just sang karaoke. It's called enjo kousai, or euphemistically "compensated dating" in Japan. It was a common practice at the time of the film, perhaps moreso than today. Most cases do not involve sex, but it's a grey area. Judging by Saki's reaction in the film, I think we are to believe that it was "just" singing karaoke.

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no, she just sang karaoke. the post above by MIYABI is correct. the word "karaoke" (in japanese) is clearly seen on the two windows in the background when she leaves.

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Of course a lot of places are FRONTS, people. Do you think you'd see a sign "House of Prostitution" plainly displayed on the street? LOL!

Remember: the girls at her school ostracized Saki and made fun of her. They probably knew what she did in her spare time. She had no friends (and no mother) and that's why she became friends with Akira. They had that in common.

I see Saki as the prostitute with a heart of gold. Compared to the mother, who was an out and out prostitute with a selfish heart and a brain damaged head ("School isn't important"). Yeah, right, lady.

Some people should never have children.

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I don't know about that. If you have a chance watch the scene when she leaves the karaoke place. She clearly has a funny walk. I noticed it right away. It's subtle, but she isn't walking that way at the beginning of the scene. Also, why doesn't she object when Akira slaps the money? She says nothing! She knows what he's thinking. Why didn't she defend herself?

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What kind of person would pay to have a girl perform Karaoke with them ? Somehow, I even thought the mother to be a prostitute.

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I don't know if any of you have actually been to Japan, but when you go to a Karaoke place, you sing Karaoke. You go to a Love Hotel to have sex. It's that easy. There's no need to go to a place "fronting" as a karaoke place to have sex. It's well known that businessmen like young high school girls. In this case, he probably only wanted her company. Not all high school girls have sex for money. Some are just escorts... especially for older men who can no longer get it up.

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In Japan, some salarymen spend hundreds of dollars to hire a geisha just to perform a traditional tea ceremony correctly. You know, in that society some things just transcend sex. It might be even more valuable to get some young fine-looking school girl to sing karaoke or dine with you than it is to have sex with her.

It's like you have thousand dollars in your pocket and there's lots of whores willing to have sex with you for that money, but have you ever spent thousand dollars just to dine with somebody?

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I just finished watching this movie (in Japan, with my Japanese fiance) and she knew right away what was going on between the business man and the school girl. It might not have been outright sex, but there was more going on in the private karaoke booth than just singing.

The girl is not only walking funny, but she seems to be adjusting her underwear as she is stepping out. To what degree they were sexually involved (whether it was just heavy petting or something more intense) is not part of the story and probably was never consciously planned out. What seems clear, however, is that the girl sold herself for the money, though how whether it was her first time for such a thing is debatable.

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I just rewatch that scene again, just a few seconds ago. I suggest you go see it again. At no point she's adjusting her underwear. It does seem a little bit like that cause her right hand is limping around behind her back. But just think about it again, if she wanted to adjust her underwear, she would have done it after doing the deed before going out of their karaoke booth, or even as they're walking out of the booth, not just outside the karaoke parlor for everybody else to see.

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Although Saki and the man were shown coming out of a karaoke club, many of these places have private rooms. Sex could take place. This kind of telephone prostitution of young girls and middle-aged men was much talked about a few years ago. Cases have come to light of girls as young as 12 and 13 hooking up by use of cell phones for sex with middle aged men. Also we see that Saki got at least one 10,000 yen bill--too much for an hour of singing. I think the director intends us to understand that she has engaged in prostitution in order to help her friends.

Also, some viewers suggested that Saki was ostracized by the other girls because of her prostitution, but I don't agree. I think the social problems came first (kids don't really need a good reason to start bullying) and the prostitution came out of her general alienation and disaffection.

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I missed that Saki was shown to be bullied. At what time point in the movie is that?

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Her school "mates" set up her innocent gym-shoes and referred to their owner as being in heaven.

A lot of the symbology used in the film is very subtle. There is a very disciplined use of certain details to show the passing of time and so on, but Saki's entrance in the film is a little peculiar.

She was seen throwing something into the water at night or late. (They made a splash and were all about the same size – could they be music CD's?). She runs away from Akira when she notices she is discovered and is later seen at the school after being obviously bullied by her classmates.

She seems lonely, and is either the subject of bullying because of this, or that her "friends" have discovered how she makes money. There seems to be an agonizing tabu surrounding the fact of being a child to a single parent. Whatever it is it sure isn't healthy...

Saki makes money on the side by singing with old men at Karaoke clubs. She is seen with her telephone as a man approaches her as he is holding his. She has done this before. There is no body contact, he is holding his work-briefcase. They later come out of the Karaoke bar and we see that Akira is waiting the whole time outside. (Poor Akira! It must have been great for him to wait for sombody that will actually turn up...) Akira's horrified reaction has a direct connection to his subconcious hatred of his mother, and the nasty way she has treated him and his siblings. Saki's method of earning, using herself as bait (even if it is sexual in nature) is enough to send Akira running, running away from his painful feelings.

Nobody's perfect!

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Interesting, thanks. Strange about the CDs or whatever.

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I think the term you're looking for is Enjo kosai

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