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Perversion in killing the Dutch woman


Killing that Dutch woman is, per Se not a big deal, they've to kill her, may be she deserved it too but I found elements of perversion in her killing, on part of the killers. She was killed very cruelly and painfully, deliberately. In the end, her death was mocked by her killers when they intentionally kept her dead body unrobbed. Dignity of death is missed here, womanhood is insulted, exposing the true identity of her perverted killers.

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Would I be wrong in pointing out that there are elements of perversion in any killing? The killing of the Dutch woman (played brilliantly by the wonderful and beautiful Marie Jose Croze) was of a different order to the other killings portrayed in this film, in that it was not politically motivated. It was personal, a question of vengenace on the part of the part of the killers. Given that the Dutch woman was a hired assassin who had murdered their friend in cold blood, and might equally have murdered any one - or all - of them given the opportunity, perhaps they could be forgiven for evidencing some satisfaction in settling the score.

Ps. I thought they seemed a bit unsettled by the whole episode, myself.

"Eat a sandwich. Drink a glass of milk. Do some fvcking thing."

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Given that the Dutch woman was a hired assassin who had murdered their friend in cold blood, and might equally have murdered any one - or all - of them given the opportunity
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Being a hired assassin, while a vile occupation for sure, does mean that nothing is personal. Any killing (not murdering) done by a paid assassin is done for money, hence not personal at all - everyone understands this in a mafia movie, so it shouldn't be hard to understand in this story either. The lady would not have killed any of the others if given the opportunity, only if she had been paid. There is a moral difference in the motives. Neither are praiseworthy, but there is a difference nonetheless.

In fact, if the Israelis had wanted, they could just as well have hired the lady. It was the Israelis who were making it all personal, not the hired killer.

And yes it was a very sad scene. I found it incredibly sad that when the lady was shot and she knew she was dying, the first (or last) thing she did for was go to her cat, to hold it a last time. But even that last comfort was not to be. In fact, I was almost surprised the Israelis didn't kill the lady's cat too, just to show how personal, revengeful and hateful they were.

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You clearly live in a world protected by the layers of people who serve and do the dirty work so you dont even have the slightest clue as to what it is. That is fine but don't try and call this "perversion" as all killing is perverted but sometimes neccessary. Revenge is not about killing someone and leaving their dignity intact, they watched her bleed after they hit her with the zip guns. When someone kills your friend or family member you very might well want revenge more than food, water or sleep. Side note: This was not nearly as cruel as what I have seen before both in news, movies and unfortunately personally. I don't know why you watched this movie if you had a problem with one female assasin getting killed off...

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she killed one of theirs and left him naked and unrobed. turn about is fair play.

She disrobed herself in thinking the the power of seduction would get her out of her perdicament. unfortunately, it didn't.





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she killed one of theirs and left him naked and unrobed. turn about is fair play.


On the movie yes. On real life she was killed outside a market I think.

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On the movie yes. On real life she was killed outside a market I think.


No. The Dutch assassin is a fictional character. She wasn't killed in real life because she didn't exist.

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I dont get it. She disrobed herself in a last ditch effort to persuade/distract them with sex and they killed her and left her like that. It wasn't 'perversion' at all.

Now if they all decided to have a circle jerk over her body, well that's something else.

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There is no dignity in death

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The killing was one of the strangest in all of Spielberg's movies. I agree it didn't work at all. Great cameo from the actress though.

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cshak4, im a little confused as to use of the term cameo, how was this actress in cameo?

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Oh, he just liked her "assets" and got confused. :) :)

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Actually it was one of his best, most disturbing, scenes. Probably the darkest he’s ever made.

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Good post. To question the neccessity of killing that woman after all the killing they carried and what she's done, is stupid. But why the perversion, as you put it?




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"She was killed very cruelly and painfully, deliberately. In the end, her death was mocked by her killers when they intentionally kept her dead body unrobbed. Dignity of death is missed here, womanhood is insulted,......

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She got what she deserved. She did the same to Carl, with equal lack of dignity and an insult to his manhood. Worse, he was completely unsuspecting and did nothing to provoke her, whereas she had it coming.

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What weapons did they use to kill her anyway..?

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Modified bicycle pumps converted into what appear to be .22 caliber silenced firearms.

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I think that's part of the point of that scene. The movie raises the questions of morality throughout, but really starts hammering it home in the last half of the movie (increasing in intensity exponentially as the film goes on).

You aren't supposed to like that they left her disrobed. They didn't like it. Remember? One of them re-clothes her, then another exposes the body again. He's so filled with hate and disgust for the woman that he wants her naked and humiliated for killing his friend. His dander is up. Later, after he's had time to reflect on the perversion of his actions, he comments that he wishes he hadn't done that; the guy who disrobed her regretted the action.

That's the point.

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