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What happened to the African influence?





Rosie and her family did a wonderful job of outlining our history in a way that is exciting and informative. Even the dedicated historian might learn a thing or two from this film but what it offers most is a genuine 'feel' of the Puerto Rican experience in America. Sure, the PBS programs of Puerto Rico are more informative, but they lack the personal touch.

But here's whats wrong with the film... Though the Taino Indians were mentioned probably over a dozen times, their culture and history explained, the contribution of Africans to the island was sadly absent from the documentary. I am very happy that the more contemporary historical black figures such as Don Pedro Albizu Campos were celebrated in the film, but you'd think black folks did nothing but work until he came along. Much was said about resistance against Spain and about bomba music, but they forgot to mention that bomba is African music as it is interpreted in Puerto Rico and that it too was part of the resistance. No mention that those barriles (drums) were outlawed because they were part of the resistance.

There was an entertaining, if not slightly embarrassing section (if we can't laugh ourselves...) on Puerto Rican Spanish. They mentioned the Taino influence, they mentioned the English words that have crept in but surprisingly, failed to mention all the African words that make up Puerto Rican Spanish like 'bemba' meaning lips or mondongo which brings me to food. Yes, they mentioned the frituras and Puerto Rican cooking but failed to mention the many African influences that make up our daily meals from cuchifritos and mondongo to pasteles.

My final comment: It was a good piece. I applaud our sister Rosie Perez on her directorial debut and wish her the best of luck. I encourage you to see it if you haven't, see it again if you have.

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I really enjoyed the documentary and applaud Rosie's efforts, but I found myself watching and WAITING for some real mention of our Afro roots. I figured Rosie, being afro latina herself, would delve into this alot more than she did. It still kinda seems that she, like so many other afro latinos, would rather concentrate on her Taino roots. I would have LOVED to see her put forth some solid information about the contributions that Africans made to what is now known as Puerto Rican culture. Everything from the food we eat, to the language, to the dance, to the religious practices of many (myself included) were touched by the hand of the African. This part was sadly lacking from the documentary.

Other than that, I have no other complaints (but that is a BIG one). You could see that Rosie put her whole heart into this documentary and she made it informative and entertaining. I know I learned some things about PR that I didn't know and I'm Puerto Rican myself.



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One thing that you have to understand about Ms. Perez is that until recently, she denied that she was Puerto Rican. She was embarrassed to even admit it. In her 15 minutes of fame, she came to Aguadilla, the city she was born in and went to visit her old caserio. She treated everyone like crap and denied her true heritage. This was late 80s early 90s that this happened. So, she'll probably recognize that she has African roots in her in about a decade or so. I really do want to see this documentary and I hate to say this, but I do question this sudden surge of "patriotism" that she has had.



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I have not seen the documentary yet but you are right. She said she was tiered of explaining us but the african side of Puerto Rico is the one I spend the most time explaining. My dad is a negrito from P.R. and my mom is a fair skin color puerto rican with alot of french and spanish in her. So I look different from the avarege type of puerto ricans that americans see which are the tan skin but with straight hair puerto ricans, mostly from the campos. So when I tell them Im puerto rican they tell me that Im lieing that im black and white, or middle eastern with black, middle eastern only, or indian from india when I straighten my hair, but thats not the point.

They tell me that there were no black people in puerto rico. I know my history and they deny it from me knowing absolutely nothing.I have to explain to them that there were africans brought by the spanish as slaves just like here but when they ask another puerto rican if im telling the truth they ask the jibaro that denies puerto ricans have any black in them. This documentary should not be only for americans but for puerto ricans that dont know their own history.

The African side if puerto rico is very important too. Puerto ricans fry everything. Frying food came from africa by the slaves. Fried food in puerto rico is a big part of our culture. Was that in the documentary? That it was brought by the african slaves?

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I haven't finished watching the movie, but I like it so far. Rosie did mention that Puerto Ricans have Black ancestry in the movie, but I guess she didn't expand on it.

I didn't know that her Puerto Rican pride was a new thing, I thought she always felt that way.

I am originally from NY and I knew a lot of Puerto Ricans and many of them were proud of their heritage. If Rosie wasn't, that is sad, but at least she seems to have come around now.

There is a part of Puerto Rico that has a lot of people with African ancestry, but I forgot the name of the area.

Anyway, I like the documentary and look forward to seeing more stuff like this.

Peace.

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You said: There is a part of Puerto Rico that has a lot of people with African ancestry, but I forgot the name of the area.



It's called Loiza Aldea.


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"It's called Loiza Aldea."

I googled this, thanks for the info.

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I have to admit that Africa is a very big part of the Puerto Rican culture. But you have to understand that it is not that big of a part of the genetic makeup of the Island. The truth is that the Jibaro's do say that they have no African in them because it is mostly true. There have been entire studies done on the DNA of the people of the Island finding that 70% of the island is decended from Tainos, 17% Spanish and 13% African. This proves contrary to popular belief, but the facts are the facts (check out http://www.centrelink.org/KearnsDNA.html).

But regardless, I've always looked at being Puerto Rican as a state of culture. Granted, we all look a little bit different, but what really matters is the common culture we all share, which was covered in the documentary, regardless of where it's components came from.

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That study was done on a very,very small portion of white skin, wealthy Puerto Ricans. Unfortunately this information was not published along with the study's deseparate attempt to claim more "indian/spanish" and less "african". I worked with the Genetics Bazaar so I am very familiar with this skewed study. Puerto Ricans are very much so a mixed people. With the killing off of nearly all of the Tainos, it is very impossible for a large portion to be mostly Taino. Also there were more African slaves than Spanish and Tainos at one time on the island. In turn many of the Spanish procreated with the slaves. Personally I think many Puerto Ricans attempt to claim Taino too-much when actually they are just African and Spanish. Heck, there were more African slaves brought into Latin America/ Carribean than in the United States. You do the math or do a DNA testing if you do not believe me.

I watched the documentary and I too was frustrated that Rosie of all people skated by the African influences like many American Puerto Ricans tend to do. I think more than anything she needs to focus her next documentary on informing the racial self of the Puerto Rican people so they can walk closer to embracing all they are with respect and pride ( and not just the white side).There is nothing wrong with being African and Spanish at all.

For some of you that are confused, please read Living In Spanglish by Ed Morales. He gives an indepth look at African influence and racial makeup that through out Latin America and Mexico.

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As a Puerto Rican, I must say there is nothing I hate worse than Puerto Ricans (or other latinos for that matter) who try to diminish the amount of african ancestry there is in Puerto Rico. This kind of ignorance, sadly seems to be deeply ingrained in many Puerto Ricans I have known, most of whom were clearly Afro Puerto Ricans. I'm glad Rosie did at least include some footage of Marta Moreno Vega, who in turn did her best to shed a little light on the African influence in Puerto Rican culture- But Marta's piece was short in comparison to the amount of time Rosie spent delving into Taino roots in PR.

With Rosie being an Afro Puerto Rican herself, I guess I expected more of her. Her cousin, though less 'afro' in appearance than Rosie seemed more open to claiming his black roots than she did.






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but in fairness, I could have just missed that part of the movie. I remember him saying something about him being from the black side of the family and saying something about how his more ethnic appearance kept him from being fully accepted by some of the white relatives. It's been a while since I've seen it so my memory is sketchy but I remember him saying something like that.



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I really enjoyed the documentary and applaud Rosie's efforts, but I found myself watching and WAITING for some real mention of our Afro roots. I figured Rosie, being afro latina herself, would delve into this alot more than she did. It still kinda seems that she, like so many other afro latinos, would rather concentrate on her Taino roots. I would have LOVED to see her put forth some solid information about the contributions that Africans made to what is now known as Puerto Rican culture. Everything from the food we eat, to the language, to the dance, to the religious practices of many (myself included) were touched by the hand of the African. This part was sadly lacking from the documentary.

Other than that, I really have no complaints. You could see that Rosie put her whole heart into this documentary and she made it informative and entertaining. I know I learned some things about PR that I didn't know and I'm Puerto Rican myself.

Yeah it would have been nice if she would have elaborated on her African ancestry. I'm not upset about it though. But what I have noticed living in the States (especially New York)that the way Latinos interact with Afro-Latinos (certain Dominicans,Cubans,Panamanians (which I am ;)is kind of strange. Not ALL mind you, but when SOME find out I speak spanish,it's like either "You've been hanging around a lot of us" or "How did you learn to speak spanish so well"? Lol! Never mind that English is my SECOND language! Lol!

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I felt the same way. I was waiting to hear more about our African ancestry. She mentioned others like Germans, and Italians, but she didn't get into them enough either.
I do like the bit of history we got on her father.
Another issue that came to my head was about the flag. I have heard, but not sure, that our Puerto Rican Flag was a copy of Cuba's. I guess I was expecting her to mention something about the creation of the Flag and how it relates to Cuba's and the Unites States.
But I applaud her efforts in making of this documentary. I have to add it to my collection.


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Rosie was probably trying to concentrate on Taino indians, because it is called yo soy BORICUA pa'que tu lo sepas, since Puerto Rico was called Borinquen before the spanish arrived.

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I completely agree.Its the slave mentality,the closer you are (or claim to be)to white the better but the truth of the matter white spanish europeans wouldn't claim half of Puerto rico.

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please this documentary does NOT represent the puerto ricans in puerto rico. this documentary is who view as a NEYORICAN. we do not view puerto ricans as a race it is a NATIONALIY. there are puerto ricans who are pure white, pure black, and mixed with all three native inhabitants of the island. because seriously she is NOT considered puerto rican in Puerto Rico. she is a new yorker at most. im from Ponce and i come from a family who has true puerto rican values unlike Rosie in this movie.

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I wish that Puerto Ricans from the island would stop acting like they are the authentic, true representation of their people and everyone else who was born and raised stateside are lesser than they are. Its *beep* for several reasons. First, if anyone visits Ponce, San Juan, Mayaguez, Fajardo etc. they will see their share of Puertorriquenos who have lived in the US and more than enough American influences to question the idea of what 'true' Puerto Rican values are. Second, since there are more ethnic Puerto Ricans living in the United States than on the island there needs to be a series rethinking of what is a real and a fake Puerto Rican these days.

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I believe it's the inferiority complex that Europeans have placed upon people of color, we're forced to believe our skin tone is ugly and it makes us less human.

i am a euro and i disaree with this totally. have you ever been to europe? there are lots of darkr skinned people, most of them darker in complexion than a lot of latinos.

if you hate your skin colour, then you have issues and need to get over it. blame adverising or euros, what it boils down to is yourself and your own insecurties. seriously, people need to start taking responsibility.

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This is typical behavior, if you will excuse the generalization, of people in the Latin American community. (Coming from an Afro-Latino himself) The worst thing about it is, the people who are the most desperate to deny African culture and lineage not just in Puerto Rico, but in all of Latin America itself, are people who are obviously African or have African roots.

This has touched everywhere; look at Latin American TV (i.e. Univision, Telemundo, etc.) when's the last time you saw an African or Amerindian person there? Just a bunch of White Mestizos, it's *beep* disgusting. But when you look at these same countries Olympic Teams their full of Blacks. <_<;;

In university, I was in an upper level Spanish course centered around Latin American Culture. We were assigned to do an oral report on some cultural aspect. I decided to do my report on the African influences on Latin America, and some ignorant Chicana scoffed and flat out told me "What!? I didn't know there were any Afro-Latinos!" This *beep* floored me; people are now denying that African Latinos even EXIST! (Ironic coming from a Mexican, eh?)

The most disgusting thing is that this type of thinking and self-hatred has managed to seep into mainstream American thinking. They believe all Latinos look like Ricky Martin or Mark Anthony. It's becoming increasingly annoying to explain to everyone I meet that, yes, my parents are seriously from Panamá and Black people do exist in Latin America.

I'm tired of at all these "Latin-Americans" running around with kinky hair, thick lips, broad noses, listening to their salsa, mambo, reggaetón but are the first to shout I'M HISPANIC!!!!! with their hands over their ears when you try to tell them they're Black.

Sorry to vent, but when you have to deal with this type of bull *beep* everyday of your life, it tends to be a touchy subject.

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Afro Puerto Rican right here- And I've had to deal with this stuff all my life, too. As you said, the saddest part of all is that it is typically Afro Latinos themselves who want to shout to the rafters that they are "not black." I have noticed some positive changes in the younger generations coming up now but for the most part, a whole lot of people are in total denial and even if they KNOW the history, they still feel that being from a spanish speaking nation makes them somehow "not black."

Even Rosie, who is CLEARLY a black latina barely touched on acknowledging the afro roots in Puerto Rico. I heard her cousin make mention of his afro roots at one point during the documentary, and renowned Santera, Marta Moreno Vega made mention, but Rosie stayed mum. I had high hopes for this documentary but it fell flat because of Rosie's concentration on just about every aspect Afro Puerto Rican who thinks she's "pure Taino." Rosie is an example of what I mentioned above- Someone who damn well knows she's black but would rather pretend not to be. She could have opened a lot of younger eyes with this documentary but instead she chose to play the same old shame game that too many afro latinos play. Gloss right over those afro roots, Rosie!






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Not to add fuel to the fire but this is actually one of my problems with the documentary which I'll explain in a minute. A big greivance I had with Yo Soy Boricua (and I'm a mestiza Chicana from L.A. so I hope you accept my comments) is that they mainly focused on Puerto Ricans from New York. I would have loved to hear about Puerto Ricans around the country and even within the island. I think if you're a Puerto Rican from Arizona you won't really relate to this film. Now correct my if I'm wrong but aren't Puerto Ricans the majority Latino group in New York City? So a boricua living in Texas or California which are predominantly Mexican probably had a different view of "the Puerto Rican American Experience" seeing as how they were raised as a minority within a minority. I rented the movie genuinely wanting to learn about Puerto Ricans but Rosie seemed mainly interested in depicting people from her perspective of what it means to be Puerto Rican. And what about people that marry outside their ethnic group? Just my opinion.

About the black African influence in Puerto Rico I completely agree. There were two scenes I thought were very revealing, the first was when Rosie "corrected" her cousin explaining that contrary to the popular belief of Puerto Ricans as a mixture of Taino, Spanish and African she felt the need the add that they're also German, French, etc. OK I don't know Rosie's family tree, I'm not from the island, and even if I were I wouldn't claim to speak for every Puerto Rican but I think that's a half-truth at best. That's like saying that because most U.S. citizens have some German ancestry, all Americans are mixed with German. I don't have German ancestry or English or Irish or, etc. I know I'm not making myself very clear but even her cousin had this look on his face like "huh?"

The other scene I thought said a lot about Rosie's self image was when she mentioned that one day (I think this was when she was a teenager) her aunt told her that Puerto Ricans were descended from the Tainos and it made her feel ten feet high. As many others have mentioned before Rosie is clearly black so why would knowing she is descended from Taino Indians going to add to her self-esteem? I can understand taking pride in her heritage but I really hope she was just fine thinking her ancestry was black. Did she grow up with a complex being a light-skinned black boricua? BTW how could she have gone through so many years of her life without even knowing about the Taino?

I hope my comments don't offend anyone or are seen as a personal attack on Ms. Perez. I just hope the rest of you take my words as an outsider with more objectivity since I saw this wanting to learn more about the great Puerto Rican people whose wealth of experinces both in and out of the island are too rich to be put into one documentary.

ETA: The reason I sounded unsure as to whether Puerto Ricans are the majority Latino group in New York is I think the Dominicans are moving in at higher numbers than Puerto Ricans so that may no longer be the case even if it has been that way historically.

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My thoughts EXACTLY!

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