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Please stop the PG-13-rated posting here...


I'd just like to say, stop it. I'm sick and tired of seeing imdb threads for FAMILY movies that are not suitable for children to scroll through. This has not just been happening in this forum, but at many forums here.

To those who don't seem to know the purpose of "Family" movies, you have no business posting here. "Pooh's Heffalump Movie" is intended for kids (and kids at heart like me). It is NOT a movie intended to please the fans of "South Park".

So, please, lay off. And especially don't bring back stupid threads that moderaters have deleted for good reason.

Thank you.

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Somebody really needs to report the "martain-prince".

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I did!

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Thank you so much for posting this. I can't seem to get the words across to say things that need to be said when the contents of a comment upset me. Enjoy the movie! I know I will!

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WOW!!! This is the first time I have visited this site. I was looking for information about Pooh's Heffalump Movie. My search brought up this site. I am planning a birthday party for my soon to be 6 year old and it will include the viewing of this movie. Once I started reading the posts, I was really concerned about whether I was making a mistake in planning to include this movie in my plans. I'm glad that someone addressed the types of messages that are being posted and also glad that there has been some positive feedback about the movie.

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Hoo-boy, wasn't expecting this kind of response. In any case, I'm glad that this message was so well-recieved. Perhaps I need to start one of these in the "Shark Tale" forum. That place can go bonkers from what I've seen.

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Wow, your really funny. *sarcasm* This (being already adressed) is a kids movie. If you think you are cool or funny for being a fool, your not. Stop posting, your not cool.

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do you realize that you've misquoted Family Guy in your signature? not to be pedantic or anything but Stewie actually said "Thank You! When THE WORLD IS MINE, your death shall be quick and painless." However, from reading your posts I suspect this is the least of your problems.

The book says we may be through with the past, but the past ain't through with us...

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The IMDB Terms and Conditions make no mention of certain films being excluded from adult conversation because they are "Family" films. Children should not be using these boards, plain and simple. If you are an adult, then you need to realize that others are entitled to their opinions, even if their opinions regarding your “family” films are contrary to yours. If the posters are violating the TOS, by all means report them. But the IMDB boards for G-rated films are not owned by "kids and kids at heart". If I want to post an article regarding the Psycho-Sexual undertones of Pooh's relationship with Piglet, I'm going to do so, and am entitled to do so.

Bottom line, if the posters in forums for R-rated films have to deal with petty moralizing about the adult aspects of those films, the posters in G-rated films have to deal with non-"Kid friendly" posts.

Brian F Schlosser


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OK, Terrific

seriously, I HATE all of these deals where the parents are concerned about the children. Won't somebody please think of the children! What kind of parent lets their kid go on the internet anyways? I sweat, people don't want to do their jobs as parents, and so they decide to throw a fit and/or tell other people how do act/what to say, etc etc, all because they're concerned about their children. How about you zilches do your *beep* duty and be good parents instead of leaving it to the internet or tv, etc.

Yeugh

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Radio mercenary is silly. H.Bosch is the one you should all be listening to. This IS a free country and that entitles everyone to their own opinion. Even the guy that thinks Pooh likes it from behind. Oh, and one other thing. Censorship is an evil evil thing that can easily get out of control and lead to book burning and little babies heads being put on pikes. If you like little babies, don't practice it. If you do practice censorship it's really kinda like putting the head of a baby on a pike yourself. Do you really want the karma of a baby's head stuck on a pike on your soul? I didn't think so.

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I also adamantly support the right to free speech. That means that the rights of parnets to address juvenile behavior on these postings are also protected. One of the things grownups hopefully learn how to do, is discern the place and time for types of speech. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean it is always the smart or appropriate thing to do. This is not the appropriate forum for this. Feel free to start up a website all about your thoughts. Allow the rest of us the ability to practice careful parenting by becoming more informed about the movies we allow our children to view without having to endure inflammatory remarks that only serve to embarrass parents for the amusement of the writers.

Oh and to the above "stop stealing my name" , you seem to be misquoting Eddie Izzard. A pike is a fish. I think you meant to reference the bit from "Dressed to Kill" but for some reason you came up with pike.....that's really sort of absurd. Maybe you are some sort of Dada-esque absurdist, but it really came off as more disorientation on your part than anything else.

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To the topic creator Scrat-Stitch...

Just curious about your username. Is it inspired by NHL player Karlis Skrastins (which is pronounced "scrat-stitch) by any chance? Or is just a coincidence?

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No. I'm called "Scrat-Stitch" because I love the Scrat from "Ice Age" and adore Stitch from "Lilo & Stitch". I thought that the name sounded kinda neat.

I understand that these boards are intended for members 13 and older, but that doesn't change the fact that children are going to be reading through them.

But why use profane words in a forum about a "Winnie the Pooh" film? I understand that it's clearly tempting, but is it really right? Further more, it seems to me that some of the posting here has been done to insult me, but that may be a mistake on my part.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I offended anybody. It's just that I've just seen how many threads can go around here. I've read posts with messages directed at other members like "I hope you get cancer and die!". They, quite honestly, make me feel kinda sad.

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Try thinking before you judge someone else:
from dictionary.com
pike n.
A long spear formerly used by infantry.

so much for your feeling of superiority.

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So what you're saying is noone should use the internet at all until they are 18?? That's ridiculous. It's a valuable resource that people need to learn how to use. You would think that a discussion of a children's movie would be safe for children to participate in, which is why you see people complaining when it isn't. You don't see people complaining about what's good for the children on the r rated discussions.
What the sensible parent does is let the child use the internet with supervision. However, even with supervision, if people put inappropriate content in unexpected places, there is little the parent can do to protect the children. Hence the desire for users to have a little self control in places children are likely to frequent.

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"I'd just like to say, stop it. I'm sick and tired of seeing imdb threads for FAMILY movies that are not suitable for children to scroll through. This has not just been happening in this forum, but at many forums here.

To those who don't seem to know the purpose of "Family" movies, you have no business posting here. "Pooh's Heffalump Movie" is intended for kids (and kids at heart like me). It is NOT a movie intended to please the fans of "South Park".

So, please, lay off. And especially don't bring back stupid threads that moderaters have deleted for good reason.

Thank you."

Scratch-titch is right. You have to do what she says. How dare you guys express your freedom of speech. What do you think this is - a democracy?

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I think this is getting out of hand and everyone is missing the point. No one is saying that people don't have the right to express themselves. Why is it necessary to do it in this manner, for this movie? My child has very limited access to the internet. I do this because I know that there are people who cannot exercise the necessary maturity to refrain form making obscene comments on forums where common sense would say that children might go. I notice that no one, in their arguments is defending the maturity or usefulness of these postings. You have the freedom to post. You have posted. No one has taken that away. Can you see how a person with a child might get frustrated when they are unable to allow their child to read the threads surrounding Pooh's Heffalump movie? I can't understand why that is so difficult for some of you to understand and respect. A democracy works best when we respect the rights of all the people existing inside it. This includes not only the "adults" but the children and their parents as well. How unfortunate that children have to be so restricted in their use of the internet that even Winnie the Pooh is not a safe bet. Yet people can be blasted with unsolicited pornography in their private email accounts. How unfortunate that people are so offended by innocence and so quick to defend that which erodes it away.

To Scrat-stitch, I am sorry you have felt personally insulted by some of what was said in the postings that followed yours. I think that all people are often very knee-jerk in their reactions because they look at things as political and black and white. It never occurs to them that there are real moms and dads growing weary of having to censure even kid-oriented material for their children's online viewing. While I agree with you that it shouldn't be necessary, it unfortunately is. Apparently, it is an insult to democracy to ask it to stop. Kudo's for trying, though!

Another weary Parent

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Okay, good good points, efrances2003. I say if anybody wants to discuss something karazy like the homosexual undertones in Pooh and Piglet's relationship, post an 'ADULT CONTENT' warning in the heading.

But you got to understand, your little angels have probably heard these rude words at school and probably even use them.

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Tee hee. You're wrong. Grow up.

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Richardzangrillo proves he is a humanoid moron by posting vulgar words on a G rated forum.

Just warning you that I reported you, pervert.

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Thanks. That sounds like a reasonable solution to me. It would definitely give a heads up to parents, while allowing adults to converse these points if they greatly desired.

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No, it is an unreasonable solution. As has been stated before (and acknowledged by scrat-stich, the starter of this thread), these boards are intended for users at least 13 years of age. Thus, all posts should be treated as inappropriate for children below that age.

Also, who is to determine which films and or posts need to be flagged? Should a post about sex on the boards for, say, "Last Tango in Paris" be flagged as ADULTS ONLY?

If parents are concerned that their children will see inappropriate posts on the IMDB boards, there are many other more appropriate venues for them to visit. Such as:

http://www.winniethepoohbear.net/
http://disney.go.com/disneyvideos/animatedfilms/pooh/
http://www.just-pooh.com/

And that’s just three from the top of Google.

While I agree that posts that exisit for the sole purposes of being rude, vulgar and/or antagonistic are a nuisance, it's just part of the online world.

If a parent chooses to allow their children access to a forum that is not appropriate for them, it is their responsibility to safeguard their children, not the owners or participators in said forum. If a University was holding an open symposium on "Winnie the Pooh", would you take your child and then insist that the speakers and the University moderate their speech to be child appropriate?


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I'm sorry. Apparently you misunderstood what I meant by being reasonable. I felt that it was a suggestion that acknowleged the rights of some to post adult content, while at the same time respecting the difficult task the parents of young children had without censuring anyone. There is nothing that I was able to find that listed an age restriction for use of this website under their terms and conditions. You ovbiously think that it is more important to be able to be rude than it is to let children have access to these boards about the Pooh movie. There is a precedent set by the Us Government, it sees fit to provide warnings on content that is accessible to children that might be inappropriate as a warning to parents in movies, tv, video games, etc. My role as a parent is to research the forums, which I do. I am aware of the maturity level of my child and have no problem restricting my child's actvity online. However, having said that. There is a point at which we can choose to be kind to each other rather than choosing to exercise our rights inspite of them trampling on the rights of others. When I said that something was a reasonable solution, I meant that when two or more rational people meet an impasse, when they are reasinable a compromise can be reached. You are obviously unreasonable, so any reasonable solution would not suit you, unless it got you exactly what you wanted.

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How is it reasonable to suggest a voluntary warning system for certain films only? If the site admins wanted such a system they would implement it. Fell free to suggest it to them.


"You ovbiously think that it is more important to be able to be rude than it is to let children have access to these boards about the Pooh movie"

Again, I do not support rudeness. I support mature conversation and discussion that is not necessarily appropriate for children. The fact that this forum is about a Pooh movie is irrelevant. No forum here should be any different than any other.

"You are obviously unreasonable, so any reasonable solution would not suit you, unless it got you exactly what you wanted."

I already have what I want. I don't post vulgar, threatening or offensive comments. I post comments that are intended for adults, and I will continue to do so. I do not forsee the admins deleting any of the posts I have made here. I have, in fact, never had a post deleted in the last 5+ years.


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This is the most ludicrous response to a thread like this that I have ever seen. The original poster is correct, this is a G rated movie and the threads contained here-in should be just that, G rated because if a kid wants to find out about this movie, let them. Dont poison them anymore than society(you guys again) already has.

Oh, and about the censorship comment, do you think that we should just allow people to go have sex and defecate in the streets? Because if we rule out any form of censorship that's what you're gonna get.

To the person who indicates that he's a good parent and the GOOD people of this world, such as te original poster, are not, I have news for you: you're an idiot. "Dont let the internet do it for you". Wow, great comment, especially when the progress of the world is moving more and more towards computers. Do you think we should shelter all children from using the internet until they're adults? Do you think that children dont have the right to explore areas of the internet that are somewhat free of the vulgarity that you bring here? Yeah, that'd work really well.

About free speech: yes you do have the freedom to express your views, but you dont have to do it in an inappropriate place. Doing so shows you're a lesser being than the people who CAN control themselves.

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"The original poster is correct, this is a G rated movie and the threads contained here-in should be just that, G rated because if a kid wants to find out about this movie, let them. Dont poison them anymore than society(you guys again) already has."

Again:

1. The IMDB is NOT "G-rated", nor are its boards intended to be
2. There are many, many other venues that are approriate for children where their parents don't have to worry about the content. That is where they should be going, not here.

"Do you think we should shelter all children from using the internet until they're adults? Do you think that children dont have the right to explore areas of the internet that are somewhat free of the vulgarity that you bring here?"

See point 2, above.

"About free speech: yes you do have the freedom to express your views, but you dont have to do it in an inappropriate place. Doing so shows you're a lesser being than the people who CAN control themselves."

Who determines "appropriate"? You evidently seem to think that it's appropriate to discuss sex and defaction on this board, as well as call people idiots. What a wonderful example you're setting for all those children reading this!

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"Again:

1. The IMDB is NOT "G-rated", nor are its boards intended to be
2. There are many, many other venues that are approriate for children where their parents don't have to worry about the content. That is where they should be going, not here. "

I grasp the fact that the IMDB as a "whole" is not G-rated, but there are certain movies that should be discussed in a different manner than what "you people" are discussing them in. Although you are correct that there are many other venues through which children can go, but do all of them discuss this movie in particular? A child shouldnt be restricted from coming to a place(threads related to G-rated movies) that SHOULD(yes I said should) be used as a proper discussion platform in a G-rated environment. If you dont agree with that then you make up the majority of the trash that encompasses the world and brings it down. Oh, and feel free to take that as a personal attack because I dont really care at this point seeing as you like to put words into other's mouths.

"Who determines "appropriate"? You evidently seem to think that it's appropriate to discuss sex and defaction on this board, as well as call people idiots. What a wonderful example you're setting for all those children reading this!"

Yet you set such a fine example yourself dear friend, condoning the behavior with your previous statements. Next time try not to be such a hipocrite. Oh and dont bring to the picture "well you're a hipocrite for discussing sex and defecation!" No, I wasnt discussing that material, I was using it as an example of what would happen if there was no censorship, you left winger.




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Don't attribute to hippocracy what is better explained by sarcasm.

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"We have here a thread about a G rated movie, and the CONTEXT suggests the audience (ie people reading) are thinking along those lines.

In a Clockwork Orange or Last Tango in Paris thread, the context is entirely different. Why would you discuss free will or forced thought in a thread about the Heffalump Movie? I know that sounds silly, but that illustrates my point -- the context is imperative. On the same note, anyone who has seen Last Tango in Paris certainly should expect sexual dialogue in those threads.

The context (among other things) dictates what is appropriate speech in any forum."

But the over-arcing context of the IMDB is one of adult conversation about film. No topic is forbidden, regardless of topic or film, unless it violates the site terms and conditions.

"A bit different, but related, we DO NOT HAVE FREE SPEECH on imdb... or almost any other message board for that matter. The administrators can delete our posts. It's not "censorship" per se, it's simply their stated right in the "Terms of Use" that we all agree to before posting."

Agreed. No question there. But, as I have said, just because an adult comment is made in the forum of a G-rated film, that comment does not automatically violate the terms of use.

The Terms of use state:

By using any forum or interactive areas, you agree not to do any of the following:


Upload to, distribute or otherwise publish through this Web site any message, data, information, text or other material ("Content") that is unlawful, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, indecent, lewd, harassing, threatening, harmful, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, abusive, inflammatory or otherwise objectionable;


regarding enforcement:

IMDb shall have the right, but not the obligation, to monitor any activity and Content associated with its forums and interactive areas.

3. Enforcement

IMDb may investigate any reported violation of its policies or complaints and take any appropriate action that it deems appropriate. Such action may include, but is not limited to, issuing warnings, suspension or termination of service, and/or removal of posted Content. IMDb reserves the right and has absolute discretion, to remove, screen or edit any Content that violates these provisions or is otherwise objectionable


If anyone feels a post in this forum breaks the above rules, by all means report it. However, remember that the moderators are under no obligation to remove it.

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"So if you think people (ADULT people) will want to read/consider/think about "PG-13 posts" in regards to a very G rated movie, think again. As I said, it's all about context."

Do the Christians in the "Passion of the Christ" board want to read rants from atheists? To the atheists want to be preached to? Do the Democrats on the George Bush board want to hear about how great Bush is? Do the Republicans on the Michael Moore board want to hear about how great HE is? No, no, no and no. But they don't go around saying things like "In a board about George W Bush, only posts that are appropriate for people who like him are acceptable"


I can honestly say I do not care what other people want to read, consider or think. If I post something to a board, any board, and someone doesn't like it, as long as my post does not break the above rules, it is their responsibility to ignore the post, ignore me, ignore the board or all of the above.


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"But the over-arcing context of the IMDB is one of adult conversation about film. No topic is forbidden, regardless of topic or film, unless it violates the site terms and conditions."

No topic is forbidden by IMDB, unless IMDB thinks it's inappropriate. :)

"Do the Christians in the "Passion of the Christ" board want to read rants from atheists? To the atheists want to be preached to? Do the Democrats on the George Bush board want to hear about how great Bush is? Do the Republicans on the Michael Moore board want to hear about how great HE is? No, no, no and no. But they don't go around saying things like 'In a board about George W Bush, only posts that are appropriate for people who like him are acceptable'"

Let's look at your examples. In each case, you're talking about people who may be disturbed or offended by the discussion, but by virtue of the context -- the particular message board, for example -- they should not be surprised by it! If I'm on a Michael Moore board, OF COURSE I expect to hear how good he is... If I'm on Christian board, OF COURSE I expect to hear Bible quotes, preaching and even atheists questioning said doctrine. Etc., etc, etc.

But when I'm talking about the Heffalump Movie, I certainly do not expect to be called "Bitch" or see swearing, sexual content, or violent flames (which were deleted by the admins)!

To further clarify my point, I know several technology web sites that have specific forum sections for "off topic" discussions like politics and religion. It's not actually against the Terms of Use to post "BUSH/KERRY/GOD/SATAN Sucks" in a Mac Mini forum, but it sure isn't taken well...

But why not? I mean, it isn't against the Terms of Use after all! :)

We have addressed IMDB rules as a whole, but in this section of IMDB we have the context of a relatively sedate G rated film. Based on that context, posts with swearing and/or sexual content and/or personal attacks... well they just don't fit. And people are going to get upset and ask that it stops.

Beside free speech, we have appropriate -- or contextual -- speech. Not in the PC sense, but in the general psychological sense. We don't put up with stuff wildly out-of-context -- or unexpected -- even if it still conforms to the "terms of use"!

-Pie

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Pooh: Oh, bother.

Boy, did I ever not mean to start such a debate.

I guess I'm just saying that this is a kids movie. I mean, if you're just going to fill your post with curse words, why are you even here?

But everyone has the right to freedom of speach. Of course they do. But am I going to see "Pooh's Heffalump Movie" in a theater full of little kids and cus about how **** awful it looks? No way.

I know that may have been a poor excuse for a point, but think of it that way.

And, so everyone knows, the *real* reason I started this thread was because of a certain member who wouldn't stop starting the same stupid topic over and over again.

Sorry, guys. I didn't mean any harm.

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"I can honestly say I do not care what other people want to read, consider or think. If I post something to a board, any board, and someone doesn't like it, as long as my post does not break the above rules, it is their responsibility to ignore the post, ignore me, ignore the board or all of the above."

Well then why would you want to post something that could be offensive to someone who came here just out of the innocent fact that they wanted to get a "decent" review of a movie? Last I checked you dont have to make lewd or vulgar remarks to review a movie. If that's your attitude I suggest you "pack your bags and leave", and let the "decent" people who post here do so without having to worry about trash like you.


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I'm sorry, but I don't recall ever making lewd or vulgar remarks in reviewing a movie on these boards. Quite the opposite. I think that excessive, pointless vulgarity is a sign of poorly thought out reasoning, and is usually the tool of fools and trolls.

What I do believe is that I, or anyone else, should be able to have an adult conversation on this site regarding any film, regardless of the nature of the film itself. This is a film site. These boards are intended to serve as discussion venues for films. It doesn't matter if the film is rated G or NC-17.

If you can't differentiate between the posts from trolls that are composed solely of epithets and curses, and an adult discussion of a children's film, then perhaps you are not ready to participate.

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In your quoting of the terms and conditions you have cited two things that exclude the comments by the posters. "Indecent" and "inflammatory." What purpose other than inflaming parents of young children for their own amusement could people have for posting comments like the ones posted here earlier. I might also note, that the posts have been deleted. So it would seem that you are incorrect about what imdb allows. Also, the terms and conditions says that things should be friendly and relaxed. Would you not agree that it is friendly to allow children access to threads about movies that might interest them? Again, I say that even upon quoting the terms and conditions, you did not manage to find anything to support your percieved age restriction. Perhaps, these posts are intended to be like previews, suitable for ALL audiences.

It is precisely because the disputed comments broke the rules you quote that someone was offended.

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On the internet, you forget that there are real people attached to opinions, you are discoursing with written words. If a five year old child were in the room and people were talking about Winnie the Pooh, and someone made some of the comments posted here. Most people would think the person rude and innappropriate. However, to use an earlier example, if I brought my child to a university symposium on the character Winnie the Pooh, I would probably get nasty looks. I would never bring my child there, because it is not an appropriate place for my child to be. This, however, is not that place. It is a place somewhere in between those two places, more like a restaurant. If you misbehave there, you get kicked out. I can complain to the manager, and we ALL have the right to be there.

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"I would never bring my child there, because it is not an appropriate place for my child to be. This, however, is not that place. It is a place somewhere in between those two places, more like a restaurant. If you misbehave there, you get kicked out. I can complain to the manager, and we ALL have the right to be there."

This, then, is where we disagree. I don't think that the IMDb is appropriate for children, and see my post down the line for the Privacy Policy quote that supports this idea.

If we are going to stretch our metaphors, I'd say that this is more like a Bar.

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Regarding the age restrictions, from the privacy policy:

Children

IMDb is not intended for use by children under the age of 13. If you are under 13, you may not submit information about yourself to IMDb.


Moving on, let me clarify one point. I never intended to imply that ALL posts are appropriate for all boards. Posts in this, or any board, that are nothing but vulgarity or threats or personal attacks are either the work of trolls or adolescent personalities. What I AM trying to defend is adult conversation about a children's film.

Hypothetically, lets say I want to discuss Winnie-the-Pooh from a Marxist-Feminist perspective. This is clearly not a subject that is of interest to, or intended for, children. But, logically, if I want to discuss it with other IMDB members, where else should the conversation take place if not on a Winnie-the-Pooh board?

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Thank you for letting me know where the age restriction was posted. It had been greatly referenced, and I had been unable to find it. I sort of see your point regarding the bar example, but there is no such thing as a bar that is appropriate for 13 year olds, that is inaprropriate for those under 13. Also 13 is, by no means, adulthood. Yet, I have no problems with discussions geared and oriented towards adults. I have a problem with some of the ADULT content that has been posted in this thread in particular. You and I are not actually all that far apart in feeling. If someone wants to discuss ideas that children cannot participate in, that doesn't bother me. I had formed the impression that it was the adolescent comments and chanting of names of genitals that was being supported by the free speech comments. That way of reasoning, to me, was faulty. Also, those kinds of posts are prohibited by this website. So, therefore, posting a warning is logically unnecessary. Point conceded.

Now, if my child happened upon discussion about Winnie the Pooh from a Marxist-feminist perspective, it would not hold interest. But, it would also not cause any harm, and if there were any questions, I could address them. So, I guess, no to ADULT content spelled with 3 X's, and yes to adult discourse between respectful adults, who might perhaps, keep in mind that it is a G-rated movie they are discussing?

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Thanks for the engaging and intelligent debate. I had thought that I had made it clear that it was the profanity and the free speech rallies surrounding it that I objected to. I do not support limiting conversation to a kindergarten level. In fact, quite the opposite. ;-)



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While families may enjoy films, they are not the only people that are entitled to gather enjoyment from them... other market segments may also. Therefore, those people are just as entitled to express their opinions in a non-G rated fashon.


Oh by the way, this film was discussed in the newspaper this weekend... does that mean the rest of the Entertainment section has to be G rated too? I think not.

By the way... no one else except yourself likes your kids, nor do they care about them.

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"By the way... no one else except yourself likes your kids, nor do they care about them."

Untrue. I care about your children, even though I have not met them.

(Yes, I'm serious!)

-Pie

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"By the way... no one else except yourself likes your kids, nor do they care about them. "

Wow, are you that dense? Let's look at this statement. If eating pie is the mother of her kids, and your statement was true, then the father wouldnt care about them right? Oh wait, not even the grandparents, or the kids' siblings, or even their friends. Wow man, awesome statement. Next time keep it to yourself or risk further embarassment.

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You are welcome, and thank you for the same. I agree that our viewpoints are not very seperate after all.

This whole debate reinforces some of my basic idea about how to have a stimulating and intelligent discussion online:

1. Treat everyone as an adult
2. Treat everyone with respect
3. And most importantly, Don't feed the Trolls.

Anyway, thanks again a lively debate, and enjoy the rest of the weekend.

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I've read through this entire thread and have found it extremly interesting. I wont provide my entire opinion other than saying I agree with practically everything Bosh has said.

I am an adult intellectual film enthusiast, I beleive (though i could be incorrect) that people such as myself are the intended audience for IMDB. I also dont see how such a website would be of interest to children as it only provides (what to children would be mundane) statistics and information concerning a films production as well as intellectual adult opinions of the film(s)

Trolls who type insults and unnessasry obcenities are not welcome ANYWHERE on IMDB, but those who wish to discuss adult themes in any film intellectually are welcome EVERYWHERE on IMDB.

Finally ill quickly get something off my chest: as a citizen of a western country that is NOT the US, I am infuriated by the quoting of US law to determine what is allowed on the internet. The internet is an international forum, the content of which should not be bound by the laws of any particular nation. (though a nation has the right to make laws concering the way in which its citizens use the internet).

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Well I saw some good examples about the context of a conversation dicating it's "appropriateness," in particular efrances2003.

"If a five year old child were in the room and people were talking about Winnie the Pooh, and someone made some of the comments posted here. Most people would think the person rude and innappropriate." -efrances2003

In America we have free speech. Except that this free speech *does* have restrictions. We have efrances2003's example of social context. As another example, we don't yell out swear words in church, though it certainly isn't against any "terms of use." We don't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater because it's wildly irresponsible (and I believe you can be prosecuted for such wreckless endagerement).

But in all these cases -- even in church or children's movies -- we CAN discuss marxist feminists implications of heffalumps, all with children present (albiet *quietly*). And most Americans have a sense of these unspoken rules implicitly.

So why is it so hard to accept that, in a G-rated movie Internet forum, swearing and using sexual language doesn't fly?

Discuss Kierkegard or Nietcsche all you want, as long as it's on topic. But in this "G Rated Heffalump Movie" area, keep the discussion "G Rated" in language, even if "adult" in topic.

-Pie

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To the Scat-Stitch and the rest of you agreeing with the thread starter:

Firstly, this message board is for ADULTS. It even says that in the IMDB rules. It is a forum for adults to discuss any aspect of any film, be it a Disney movie or a Tarantino movie. Children shouldnt be on here.

Your kids are your responsibility, why should I, or other members, have to pick and choose what we talk about because you let YOUR kids on here despite it being against the policy of this site. Why should we care?

You know what you people remind me of? The other day I was at the Pub (obviously an adult place where kids are not really welcome) and a woman came in dragging her two kids with her, and she had the audacity to complain to the manager that people were swearing too much around her kids. A pub is for adults, should everyone in there have had to watch their language because some woman was fool enough to bring her kids in there? Thats whats happening here.

If you want to break the IMDB's rules and allow your kids to use this forum, thats your lookout. I dont care. But dont expect us to start avoiding topics so kids cant read them when they shouldnt be here anyway.

If you really want your kids to participate in a forum for these sorts of movies, go to one of the many, many forums for kids that are heavily moderated and you wont have a problem. The IMDB is for adults.

Did you have a good world when you died? Good enough to base a movie on?

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Well we have to be reasonable about rights. Still I guess this forum is intended definitely for 13+ users so you have to take what comes if kids below 13 are accessing it. That said it's a bit ludicrous we, including myself, have managed to er... desecrate the 'Heffalump' forum so badly. A.A. Milne stories should be fun not painful :)

Oh yes and ...
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To insert my regular daily condescending post...
It could only be in the US where people like USAWrestler use 'left winger' as an insult ;D

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Isacki
http://www.huen.org.uk/Isaac

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That's ridiculous, what little kid gets on the IMDB forums, anyway? These boards are meant for adults, and if an adult wants to comment offensively about Shark Tale because he thought it was bad, then so be it. These forums were never meant for kids to get on and comment about how cute and cuddly a movie is, but rather for movies to be critiqued and occassionaly made fun of. And besides, who gives a sweaty bunghole if your tweenaged kid sees a few dirty words? In case you're not aware, those are usually the ones writing all that crap on these boards anyway. Read this: THEY ALREADY KNOW THE *beep* WORDS. So stop trying to protect your children from such awful things as potty text and instead concentrate on the fact that they're at least reading instead of watching tv.

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