Discrace to fantasy


Even if it was a low-budget movie i think i haven't seen a fantasy like this.The actors were pathetic.The leading actors were actually worse than amateurs.The story wasn't that bad but for God's sake if you want to produce a fantasy at least try to fake it.The magic was like a misunderstood fog...When his only love is dying the hero runs after a corupted police-like old man to try to save the orb (wich looked like a sprayed apple),not to mention about the arm getting chopped off and replaced.Yet i think the worse part was that "faith" saved an empire.How can a movie with such a huge background be that bad?To the producers:next time if you want to make a movie about a great game do not even start and get some other job...

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Dungeons and dragons is in general a disrgrace to fantasy. Its garbage, like mtv music.

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"Dungeons and dragons is in general a disrgrace to fantasy. Its garbage, like mtv music."

Pathetic, if you knew what you're talking about I wouldn't make any fuss about this but, unless you've read at least a tiny bit of its lore, or books such as the Faiths & Pantheons book, or The FR Campaign Setting 3.5, or anything that might shove a tiny bit of DnD's vast lore (I'm not limiting this to Forgotten Realms only, DnD as a whole instead) into your head, you don't know a thing about it buddy. Try to explain why DnD is so successful if it truly were a disgrace to fantasy, smartass.

"Yet i think the worse part was that "faith" saved an empire."

Wake up genius, faith, belief and religion play a -MAJOR- role in DnD as a whole, gods are extremely powerful, and active. Faith from a single person can save said person's life, pretty much the same with a whole city.

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Try to explain why DnD is so successful if it truly were a disgrace to fantasy, smartass.


Twilight is one of the most successful vampire stories in history, does that mean it isn't a disgrace to vampires?

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"Dungeons and dragons is in general a disrgrace to fantasy. Its garbage, like mtv music."

Disgrace might be too strong a word but I agree with the sentiment. The RPG's are more like tabletop miniatures games with over complicated and unrealistic rules (compare to Warhammer FRPG or Runequest etc etc). The films are hardly Lord of the Rings now are they and most of the books and supliments are juvenile.

But what can we expect from a game whose original premise was simply to explore dungeons, fight monsters and steal treasure?

That said each to their own...

N.



"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful"

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Saying that "Dungeons and Dragons is a disgrace to fantasy" has to be the most inane comment of all time. D&D is directly derived from the impetus of modern fantasy, the LOTRs, and is the most extensive and thought system of entertainment ever conceived! You sir, sound as dumb as MTV. On that point...What is MTV music? MTV hasn't played music for twenty years! Also, since MTV has never actually produced any music themselves, there is no such thing.


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Ever watch the first Dungeons and Dragons movie? This one was a vast improvement over the first one. That doesn't say much though.

This one wasn't great, but it was a made for TV movie. They never have much of a budget so the writing, special effects, and actors are usually not as good as a big screen production.

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Hey folks, sorry to barge in, but it seems neither of you two guys up there managed to get the word "disgrace" right. Please note how it's spelled. Ok, people? Put a little grace into it.

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Thanks man. Didn`t notice the typo at all actually.

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I spelt it correctly :o)

N.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful"

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It is slightly better than the first one, but that is not a huge achievement. The story is extremely poor and the actors mediocre at best. You can get better storylines in magazines. It's a shame that the whole DnD series is depicted by these two lame movies.

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Err, yeah it's a Fantasy movie it's almost certainly going to be poor, quality wise. It is actually better than the vast majority of fantasy films out there. In fact the only fantasy films, which I've seen, I can think of off the top of my head that were actually rather good are Legend, LoTR, Die Nibelungen and Reign of Fire.

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Well I hate to break the chain of complaints but I actually enjoyed the film.I thought it was a great deal better than the first one.All you have to do to enjoy a film like this is leave your common sense by the door and just get into it and don`t worry about trying to make things make sense in the real world.

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You should watch (if you haven't already):
Excalibur (definitive fantasy film with top-notch direction), Conan the Barbarian, Willow (Ron Howard), Neverending Story (children), Dark Crystal (children), Merlin (Sam Neill), Chronicles of Narnia (children), and Dragonslayer (Disney but with its share of gore and some nudity)

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I would add Legend to this list:)

(and remove Narnia, personally (thought I loved the books))

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Hmm...best fantasy type movies.

LotR, Conan the Barbarian, Clash of the Titans, The Neverending Story, Dragonslayer, Legend, The Golden Voyage of Sinbad, Excalibur. Just my two cents.

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It's interesting that the idea of fantasy, with such vast potential, has failed miserably on film as a genre. All of the movies mentioned so far are pretty dire movies really. Class of the Titans and anything that Ray Harryhausen had a hand in gets a special licence to suck as a movie but still be held in high regard for the stop motion sections.

LOTR was OK, mainly because of Gollum, the first really serious acting we've seen from a CG character on film. Overall fantasy just doesn't get the kind of treatment on film it needs. It seems to be used as a vehicle to push action flicks and even with the budget, action flicks never really satisfy what fantasy lovers are looking for.

I'll give Neverending Story a special pass too if you're a child or child at heart but other than that, the genre sucks. Come over over to the science fiction darkside young fantasy padawans with treats like Moon to show you just how more mature the genre can be.

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I don't agree that the fantasy genre 'sucks' at all. And I really liked Moon but there are plenty of mature fantasy books out there - to write off the whole genre due to some what you find to be lackluster adaptations seems unfair. Some fantasy fans are after a blend of heart and spectacle and some want more introspective films - it depends. Fair enough, but I like both sci-fi and fantasy.

The Neverending Story, for example that you mentioned, I think the book has depth to it.

"Some of their number had been lost and those who had survived were weary"

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Oh I Didn't mean to include books. Fantasy positively thrives on the page, it's just at the movies it has failed to deliver.

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Fantasy positively thrives on the page, it's just at the movies it has failed to deliver.


I agree with that, for the most part, yes. Rarely can a fantasy film get inside the main character's head or weave subplots together skillfully, as done on the page usually.

They sometimes dumb down the fantastical creatures that populate these fictional world too.

"Some of their number had been lost and those who had survived were weary"

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@techpops Ever seen Excalibur? I would consider that to be the definitive fantasy film. Some people can't get over the theatrical style acting in the film and can't take it seriously, but for those that can get used to its style, it is something really special.

Here is the original trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emF-m9qnF5o

The movie is so beautifully shot as well. Like Neverending Story but for older audiences, I think it can hold its own ground as a movie capable of really capturing your imagination with its artistic vision.

Nevertheless, I would agree with you for the most part. Fantasy films deal with a subject matter that can be easily ridiculed, and I think it's for that reason that most fantasy films tend to fall into the B- category.

I think Lord of the Rings tried too much to be epic for its own good with its heavy-handed approach to its CG, dramatic scenes, score, etc. I think it succeeded in many respects, but I don't really think it had the sort of unified artistic vision that made Excalibur and Neverending Story so special to me.

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Class of the Titans? Thallo: "Perseus, dude, you are so going to get detention for cutting off Medusa's head." *Lol*
--Dancougar82

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You should watch (if you haven't already):
Excalibur (definitive fantasy film with top-notch direction), Conan the Barbarian, Willow (Ron Howard), Neverending Story (children), Dark Crystal (children), Merlin (Sam Neill), Chronicles of Narnia (children), and Dragonslayer (Disney but with its share of gore and some nudity)


Thanks for the suggestions! By the way, while this second D&D movie was far from perfect, I still think that it was MUCH better than the first one, hands down! Watch the first one and will see what I am talking about!

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You haven't seen Excalibur have you? Good fantasy movie. How about Conan the Barbarian? Another good fantasy movie. Actually there are quite a few good ones. You need to check out those at least, and I'll watch Die Nibelungen because I've never heard of it.

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Solomon Kane. Great movie.

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I disagree with your statement that the movie is a disgrace.

After the disappointment of the first movie; admit it, we were all hoping it would be the next LotR; I watched this movie with little expectations and was therefore blown away by it. It wasn't a great movie or even well done, I'm not even sure it was meant to be...well I'm certain it was to the best of their budget. The biggest complaint I heard about the first movie was that it "wasn't D&D", well without a doubt the second movie was.

As I watched 'Wrath of the Dragon God', I realized that I wasn't watching a movie created for a laid back third person experience; I was watching a Dungeons and Dragons game unfolding before me. I just couldn't see the players or hear their snarky comments. The characters on screen could have been in any of the games I've played in. A good group of players, not all the greatest role-players, running through the occasional schlocky storyline with epic consequences, undead for the rogues to not be able to sneak attack, but traps to make them happy, people showing off how cool their spells are, and puzzles that drive everyone nuts (I could hear the actor's voice in the back of my head saying "Can't I just roll a dice to figure this out?").

Personally, I think it redeemed the first movie in a way by working with the established history rather than ignoring it. Like I said, it wasn't great, but then it wasn't just a movie, it was Dungeons and Dragons. It was a movie for gamers. If you're not a gamer, its likely you didn't pick up a lot of the subtle, and not so subtle, ties to Dungeons and Dragons lore. I suppose I can't fault you for that, because the people behind the second movie made those ties important. It is one of only a few a faults to be laid at their feet and a huge loss to those who see continuity errors where others see magic.

(See my reply about the severed arm under "Didn't the mage lady get her arm cut off?" > "Teleportation + Healing Magic".)

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If it's a movie for gamers, then maybe it is great. I can't say since I never played D&D.

But the wealth of books based on the D&D worlds have stories and characters so much more interesting than this. I was hoping to find something more along those lines so that was the reason I was disappointed personally.

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I think that's the problem...it's a movie for gamers instead of being a movie based in one of the worlds in which the game is set...

N.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful"

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Yeah, it's so bad that we spend hours with our friends on weekends, using our imaginations and going some very quick maths.

Obi-Wan is my hero!

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"Yeah, it's so bad that we spend hours with our friends on weekends, using our imaginations and going some very quick maths."

I don't think it's bad at all...as someone who has been role playing for nearly two decades I'd be the first to defend it.

But movies work differently to our beloved imaginative hobby...they need different pacing, writing and characterisation. Hence my comments that movies set in game worlds are a great idea - but movies made to please gamers only is not such a great idea - it's never really worked. Even movies based on computer games rarely work well either.

It works both ways too. Some RPGs based on movies and TV shows turn out rubbish because the expectations are different.

What's needed is for someone to study the game world and background, ignore the rules (sadly some games these days are all rules and no depth) and create a script based on that. Some game worlds are extraordinarily deep and consistant and would be amazing settings for movies.

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Hadn't seen many swords and scorcery movies have ya? In comparison to the plethora of them that came out in the '80's, this one is pretty darn good. *Lol*
--Dancougar82

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So basically you're complaining a movie made based on a tabletop roleplaying game had elements of that game. They took a lot of artistic liberties with the visual effects of the pretty much the entire movie because the books don't actually describe what it looks like when a spell is being cast. And about Damodar getting his arm back take a look at this. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/regenerate.htm

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