So did blue bear get disqualified? - Million Dollar Baby (2005) Discussion

[–] micirisi 9 years ago

Disqualified, Nah. She won the match almost fair and mostly square. Remember this is boxing. A strange sport. Our American society allow humans to fight but not dogs. Nor chickens. Don't try to make any sense of it.

He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator.

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[–] twizzlerfreakk 9 years ago

Are you upset that you can't box your dog's? Haha

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[–] leah-sees 9 years ago

Only an idiot would think consenting adults are the exact same thing as animals, unable to even comprehend "consent". It makes perfect sense to anyone who is not a blithering idiot.

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[–] micirisi 9 years ago

Thus a poverty stricken waitress eating table scraps from a diner is able to give consent to perhaps get killed in order to survive. I believe if you are destitute you will do anything to survive. The concept of "consent" is a non sequitur. But I'm sure you know that.

He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator.

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[–] leah-sees 9 years ago

Did you actually watch the film? The poverty was incidental to the story - her drive was in boxing, not in doing anything to escape poverty.

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[–] Strazdas (2328) 3 years ago

Only an idiot would think that a dog or chicken is of as much worth as a human and should be afforded same rights.

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[–] Tommen_Forever 7 years ago

Agreed, boxing is a stupid f-cking sport. You can tell by the girls in bikinis holding the match-number cards what kind of audience the sport panders to.

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[–] karlkuehl 7 years ago

Don't play stupid dogface.

The difference is that dog and cock fights are designed to have the loser getting killed or severely hurt.

I'm pretty sure dog or cock fights with boxing gloves and muzzles are (would be) legal in the USA.

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[–] smokescreensemerge-538-372043 9 years ago

She should face criminal charges such as 2nd degree murder at least. She got away with a nasty elbow... *beep* bitch. Eastwood's character was slow in removing the stool.. Why was the stool propped upside down and then sideways?

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[–] MetalgearSldSnk 9 years ago

She would've been sitting behind bars. It happened in one fight that a fighter hits another one after a loss. Knocks him clean out, and he ended up serving a prison sentence for that. I think he also went home and killed his roommate right after too.

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[–] MetalgearSldSnk 9 years ago

She also thought she could beat up a man because she was so good at beating up women. She got knocked clean out by a complete no-name kickboxer.

Newsflash, everyone knows it's a movie, duh! The fact that you are even explaining this makes you look dumb.

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[–] goonies383 8 years ago

Yes in an actual boxing match she would have been disqualified. She also would have been fined, arrested, and had her licence revoked. Maggie would have been declared the world champion despite her injury. Though she would have had to relinquish title for failure to defend.

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[–] tomgjcromwell 8 years ago

Though she would have had to relinquish title for failure to defend.

Nah, she would have retired right after the match as the champion.

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[–] duongdogg 8 years ago

So sad she had her on the ropes. She should have won. Blue bear was her boxing coach. Which is pretty cool.

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[–] dxben99 (63) 7 years ago

That fact makes me mad because it is so unrealistic that it actually kills the movie for me.

Thing is, they could have had the whole assault-after-bell-thing and the injury and still mention that the Bear chick was fined / arrested / whatever. It would not change the story and the drama one bit. But for some reason they chose to go with the total unrealistic and stupid scenario where she actually won the match by sucker-punching Maggie to a quadriplegic. I'm surprised they didn't have her attacking her with a folding chair.

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[–] Ragnarill (19) 6 years ago

The story is not about the Blue Bear, it's about the Million Dollar Baby. It's the same concept as the Karate Kid or Gladiator. They don't win in the last fight because happy endings don't exist in the real world. It's the journey there that matters. It makes the tragedy at the end all the more meaningful. In the movie the world of boxing is a sleazy, dirty, underhanded sport where refs are paid off and the winners are ones who play dirty. It makes for more interesting viewing than actual boxing matches.

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[–] dxben99 (63) 6 years ago

That was totally not my point.

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[–] Ragnarill (19) 6 years ago

Yes, your point was that a movie about boxing should be realistic and fair but that wouldn't make for a good movie. The tragic event sets the tone of the movie, there isn't supposed to be any justice or fairness because that would defeat the entire point of the movie: that it's better to live a few minutes in the spotlight than to live your whole life in nothingness.

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[–] dxben99 (63) 6 years ago

I didn't say anything about it having to be fair, but yes, I am expecting a certain amount of realism in a drama(!). If this was a comedy, I'd be okay with it, but the way it is depicted in this movie makes it highly unrealistic and thus, the drama falls flat.
Of course, injust and unfortunate events are what is happening in dramas, I never argued with that. My point is that those events should be realistic and not something out of WWE RAW.

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[–] spanners163 (75) 3 years ago

Same here. Too much artistic licence from Eastwood. No way, no how, in any duristiction would she be declared the winner from that knockout blow. It takes a lot to insult the integrity of boxing, Eastwood somehow managed a grand slam there.

He did the same with Invictus where there is an interesting side plot of the New Zealand team suffering food poisoning before and during the match which is complete ignored for a convenient hollywood tale.

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[–] FilmStar (405) 3 years ago

Yeah, it's a shame the movie had to end the way it did. I was starting to love it until that scene. Blue Bear ruins her boxing career and her life and yet everyone remembers Maggie being a loser by the end. It's a really shitty ending. And I feel like no one really comforted Maggie at the end either about what a fighter she was. It also really sucks because the only other female boxing movie I know is Girl Fight and I didn't care for that one either. This one was supposed to be like Rocky and yet she had to have a downfall.

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[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

Hitting someone when they're down is an automatic DQ. I don't think this is a very realistic depiction of boxing. The ref initially warned point deduction for holding then did nothing after a couple more worse and flagrant fouls. I didn't like the choreography either. Sports movies never seem to get it right. I think 'Ali' 2001 was pretty good as far as the ring choreography goes but the movie itself, not so much. So I've yet to see a perfect sports film.

As for the 'Blue' fighter... Yes she would have been DQd and banned. Also if something like that happens, there would be a major uproar. I've seen guys get attacked by cornermen for fouling. Look at the Zab Judah/Floyd Mayweather fight in the 10th round, Tyson/Holyfield II, Golota/Bowe and especially what James Butler Jr did to Richard Grant after their fight which is kind of reminiscent of what happens in the film here except it was well after the final bell where as this is in between rounds. There's always a shit show but in this movie, no one even reprimands the blue bitch, she'd be under a shit ton of fire in real life. It's assault and I'm pretty sure in today's boxing anyways it would result in long term suspension, banning and or maybe even jail time.

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