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Are there any Asian Trickster figures/gods?


I was wondering whether there are any Asian trickster deities, because the "doppelganger" in this film seems to me to be more like the Native-American (Coyote), Nordic (Loki), and Greek [or Roman?] (Mercury) trickster characters.

The trickster's function is to upset the protagonist's current lifestyle, and their actions may be either benign or harmful. As long as every aspect of the protagonist's life is in upheaval; s/he then must reform their own life, and the ending is usually positive.

Whereas a Doppelganger is usually an "evil twin" type; meeting one is a bad omen, possibly signaling death.

Can anyone help me out here?

PS For an excellent novel on the American trickster character, see Christopher Moore's _Coyote Blue_. It's a bit like this movie, e.g., where at first the results of the trickster's interference are initially funny, then veer into the horrific, then back to positive, etc.


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Fine, interesting post here!

Though I'm afraid I can't be of any specific help to you, regarding what you asked.

Glad to finally meet someone who's more familiar with the myth of Döppelgangers than me. Most people have their one-definition for it, and are unaware this myth knows various incarnations throughout virtually all possible folklores & cultures from all over the world.

Mind you, I never studied mythology or ancient/modern folklore or anything. I just happened to get interested in the subject matter by coincidence, at a young age (first through a course in school that happened to touch the subject, then through stories & movies).

Kind of forgot about it, over the years.

But some time ago - maybe a year or two - the concept got brought up in a discussion again. I remember saying something along the lines like you did ("a Doppelganger is usually an "evil twin" type; meeting one is a bad omen, possibly signaling death."). To my surprise, some people just tried to tell me I was wrong about this and it meant something else. I tried to point out that different cultures have different interpretations of the Döppelganger concept. At least they accepted that as a possibility.

At any rate, it's a fascinating mythology, and due to its various incarnations & widely possible interpratations, it's such interesting material for horror/mystery movies. Sadly, it's under-used and I haven't seen many films actually trying to do something with it.

All the more reason for me liking the recent film The Broken so much.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0906734/
I've discussed this films with some friends already, and - again, to my surprise - a lot of them merely saw another dull take on Invasion of the Body Snatchers, while I saw an interesting and welcome take on the Döppelganger myth....

PS: Thanks for the info & book recommendation


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Hi-
Excellent post. Makes me want to watch this movie again...
There is a Japanese "trickster" figure. Your post was so long ago you've probably had your question answered already but if not- it's known as the "Tanuki":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_raccoon_dog

Check the "Folklore" section of the article, it explains it better than I could hope to although I've travelled a lot in a region of Japan where the creature is said to roam. Also don't forget about the Black American "Trickster Monkey"...

Insightful post and I'll bear these traditions in mind when I revisit "Doppelgänger"

Cheers,
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