"How do you know what a "real christian" is if you aren't one? Maybe that's why you put quotations around it"
If you read more carefully, you'd note that I said I was a christian for most of my adult life. Quotations are used to point out that the christians who surround me are the "real christians" from the post I was responding to and had quoted in italics. I shouldn't have to be explaining that. You aren't by chance one of those who rationalize that anybody who stops being christian was never one to begin with are you? If so, then that is the height of denial as you think you possess some special understanding that others simply don't get. I say "denial', because you don't like to acknowledge the fact that someone can be just as christian as you and still walk away from it.
"You can say that for any argument. Anybody can say there is no God and say not being able to see him is proof. See? Two can play that on"
No, i don't see. What I do see is that many believers go around making these magical proclamations that cannot be proven. Conveniently, they have "faith" on their side which dictates that they don't need proof and instead only need "belief". Last I looked, belief didn't equate to fact, or else theirs and all other beliefs out there would be true. Christians don't corner the market on absolute answers, but instead are just one of many versions founded upon faith alone. I simply see no validity in any of the claims of deities, regardless the religion they stem from. I am still waiting, but my wait will be in vain, for believers have the wondrous catch 22 that they believe it, therefore it is true.
"Any Christians you see that think they're better than everyone else probably isn't a Christian"
If thats the case, then there are no real christians. Like I stated above, I sit back and silently watch these true believers every day, listening to what they say and what their views are. They do sport an attitude of being better-than or holier-than-thou while pretending like they don't. Who are you to say that these are not christians? I am not intending that to be smart sounding, but rather to focus on the fact that everyone who is christian has a heightened sense of status (here or in their idea of the afterlife) and a dulled sense of their own wrongs. These people I speak about are christian in every sense of the word.
"If you want to see Ray and Kirk REALLY argue with atheists, go to youtube and enter "Way of the master vs rational response". The rational response squad is an atheist group set out to prove, of course, that God doesn't exist. This is a GREAT debate in my opinion. And I don't say this because Ray and Kirk won(I really can't say who did actually). It starts with Ep(isode) 1, Part 1 and ends with Ep(isode) 2, Part 5"
I've seen it, and here are my thoughts on it, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1578846/board/nest/73960140.
"Hell doesn't scare me because I know if I go there, it's my choice"
I believe it is actually god's choice, and here is why...predestination. It's in the bible, a simple statement that blatantly states that god knows his believers from before the foundation of the world. It's a contradiction in the doctrine, sure, but believers tend to bend over backwards to rationalize this little tidbit away.
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
From Strong's Concordance...
Chosen - 1) to pick out, choose, to pick or choose out for one's self
a) choosing one out of many, i.e. Jesus choosing his disciples
b) choosing one for an office
c) of God choosing whom he judged fit to receive his favours and separated from the rest of mankind to be peculiarly his own and to be attended continually by his gracious oversight
foundation - 1) a throwing or laying down
a) the injection or depositing of the virile semen in the womb
b) of the seed of plants and animals
world - the world, the universe
predestinated - 1) to predetermine, decide beforehand
2) in the NT of God decreeing from eternity
3) to foreordain, appoint beforehand
No, if you went to hell, it would definitely be because of predestination and not by your own hand, as you didn't truly have the choice that you seem to think you did.
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OK, so what's the speed of dark?
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