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very cheap film. Almost All actors are false and unconvincing players, except may be Oleg Basilashvili. The "griboedov" scene(2-nd serits)- is muttering delirium

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agreed. Most actors are playing horribly, the entire satire and humour from the book have been cut. It is blasphemy to make an ecranisation of a masterpiece like bulgakov's m&m like this. The computer effects are even present when they are absolutely not nescessary and look terribly. Behemot, the cat, looks as if it was from some kindergraden theatre, lavrov is too old for bulgakov's procurator, abdulov (koroviev), the oh-so-expesive-superstar seemingly just reads his text down without playing anything. This all is surprising, since the budget present was high. However, basilashvili and filipenko (azazello and voland) are playing surprisingly good. These are the only ones(so far. what i have seen untill now).
Do not watch this crap before reading the book!

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I am not very pleased either (because I always expect a masterpiece from Bortko), but I wouldn't say that actors are playing not well. Some do better and some do worse, but Bezrukov and Filipenko are doing great job.
I agree with the person who said that those computer effects were unnecessary. They have in fact overdone with rather outdated (not for Russi, may be, but for US for sure) effects.

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I'm mostly impressed by the Galibin's acting (Master). It's absolute exact hit, imho. He's excellent.

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Zolotuhin is quite good.

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The only thing I didn't like about it so far is the 7th episode. Margarita annoes me a lot, but other than that I think it's great. I've just read the book two times so far and now I'm going to re-read it. Yes, most of the actors don't match with Bulgakov's physical descriptions of his characters, but they all play quite good. I especially like Galkin as Bezdomny and Abdulov as Fagot-Korovyev. Baselashvilli doesn't have the demonic look, but he is a good actor and does a good job. Watch it. It's good. But don't expect anything extraordinary - if you wish to see great symbolysm and rich characters read the book instead.

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This is not a movie that everyone can understand.
I thought it was simply fabulous! EVERYOne's acting was great.
If you don't understand the depth of the book , you will not understand the movie. Some of the comments above show that not everyone has the ability to understand...or the right to judge

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Well, as a matter of fact I do understand the book and it is precicely the reason why I think that this "movie" is a pile of... well, you know what I mean.
The most important details were neglected, and Bulgakov's descriptions and directions buried in the text were either misinterpreted or simply left out.
And I am not talking about the casting, this was about the plot, details, locations, etc.
And why in the hell was this NKVD thing brought up? Or why the key phrases that were supposed to be either unsaid or said "in mind" were spat out by the actors ("He has no shadow!!" or Bezdomny's remarks about where he wanted to look for Woland and others)?
And how about 2 and something hours of the screen-time dedicated to Margarita's breasts? Compare that to the number of words "naked" in the original text, please. The book was not a cheap pronography contrary ot the movie...

I can go on for a long time, you know. Every part of those ten would drag a couple of pages of critique, notices, error statements caused by the fact that I read the book numerous times, studied it, analyzed it, and understood it.

This movie was made for those who either have no imagination or have not read the book. Or have an IQ under 90.

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I agree, I liked the movie and actors as well. Some played better than others, but the movie made a good impression.

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"if you wish to see great symbolism and rich characters read the book instead"

So, what's the point of making the movie then? A director should either transpose this symbolism, metaphores, characters, emotions, etc. on the screen or not make a movie at all. Those things are the core of the book, the core of this Bulgakov's creation, without them it is only a useless pile of DV tapes.

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Oh, yeah? How about Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter movies (or Chronicles of Narnia for that matter) - the books are butchered and pretty much none of the original symbolysm reaches the end audience. Are they good movies? I enjoy Harry Potter movies. Many people enjoy LotR. It's a movie! There's just this much that you can translate from written text to a screen. The TV-series made me re-read the book again and it's what I'm doing and enjoying it! I like how some of the actors fitten the roles - Abdulov, Galkin, Pankratov-chyorni did extremely good jobs! Gabilin is a perfect visual for Master. While I expected Iyehua to be be somewhat different, Bezrukov's portrayal left me happy. It's good even if it's not the vision I got from the book. Music (stole by Kornelyuk, but who cares?) fit perfectly in places! Special effects were crap, cinematography seemed really amateurish, but i liked it! It's better for me to watch this than any other TV-Series that Russian TV offers! This is crearly a step above. It's not the best there is, but it's a move in right direction. Or would you rather watch "Black Godess" or "Bandit Petersburg" instead?

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First: the movies and books you mentioned are... uhm... well, I do not consider them literature anв cinema. Nether LotR, nor Harry Potter (I must say I have not seen Chronicles yet, so I leave them out of the discussion).
Those books and movies are (in my opinion, that I might attempt to prove if you'd like) for people with completely atrophated ability to imagine and use a creativity "engine", that was supplied to each one of use from birth.

But, well, this type of mass-art has a right to exist. Those books and movies perfectly complemet each other, but I will not take them seriously, as they are too simple for me. And I would not put them in the same row with M&M (the book). Thus I can not see what can be "butchered" in those creations, due to the fact that they are from the beginning pretty empty and one-layered.

Second: when I am talking about the M&M series, I do not care about the special effects, I care not that much about the casting, cinematography and other secondary things. What bothers me is the fact that this extremely complicated Bulgakovs creation was "simplified". Not butchered, not cut, hell no, every breath was transponded on the screen. But it was simplified, reduced to one visible layer, so that "people will eat it up".

Third: thanks God I am sheltereв from contemporary Russian TV by a considerable span of space between us... in other words, when I come to Moscow to visit, I do not turn the TV at all, because as you said - it is crap. But even if M&M is a step up on the quality ladder for Russian TV - it is still a pile of crap, a better one, but nevertheless crap. The publicity around it, your and other's reactions are done and expressed as if it is a great achievment in movie industry or a brilliant retelling the M&M story.
It does not matter to me if it is a big leap for a Russian TV. It is a pile of sh*t, and I will consider it so.

PS: Music? Where have you heard misic in that thing? Two themes that start to annoy a living bejeezus out of me after the second part?

PPS: when I was twelve I read M&M and thought that it's a cool book about the devil. When I was 16 I read Thomas Aquinas, gnostics, critique on M&M and a good pile of research papers on it, and understood, that the books is not that simple. I'd suggest you'd do the same.

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I've replied with a huge post, but for some reason it didn't register... I'm too lazy to type it all in agan... :-/
So, basicaly my point is - at this period of time Russians can't create a better version of M&M, so I'm satisfied for now. This movie is all I expected it to be and I didn't expect much. I'm glad that Russian at least TRY to raise their movie industry from the dead (I wish I could see "Day Watch" - I don't know when it will be released in america). It's all I need. Maybe sometime in future there will be a better version (This book doesn't really need a movie if you ask me), but I'm quite satisfied for now.

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Oh, dear.
Here comes another pedantic git who thinks he is better than those who actually consider Lord of the Rings literature.

I am not getting into this discussion. You come across as yet another one of those who care not for art, literature or knowledge but only care for the feeling of superiority they get from them.

Your superiority complex is there for all to see with phrases like: "When I was 16 I read Thomas Aquineas blah, blah, blah..."

What's next? "I read Milton when I was 11 and my penis is larger than yours?"

Honestly.

P.S. Do you honestly believe you are the only person who has read gnostic texts, essays on Bulgakov or the works of Thomas Aquineas for that matter? You are so full of suggestions. Well, I have one of my own: Try a little humility for a change.

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=)
Seems like you missed my point. OK, if it better suites you,
read my prevoius comment again, but leave out the statements
about my age. Looks better now?=)

And, by the way, to me being pedantic means giving attention to details,

PS: I do not believe that I am the only one who's read other texts,
that help understand M&M. But I nevertheless I got the impression,
that my opponent has not yet done so, while he took on the task to
analyse the book. So in this case - I am full of suggestions.
Sorry, I tend to detest simplicity.

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Ok, Ok.. Perhaps I was a bit harsh in muy post.

The thing with this threads is that they very much run the risk of becoming spiting matches where everyone is just trying to belittle the others (now that I think of it, I may even be guilty of that myself) when they could, instead, become an interesting forum for exchanging points of view.

I believe simplicity has its beauty and, like most things in life, lies very much within the responsibility of the reader of a given piece of work (perhaps even more than the author).

Good works of art have many layers. You and I (and, pretty much, anyone who finished 3rd grade) know that well. But what may seem obvious to you might prove trickier for someone else.

In thinking of M&M, I have read it several times in English, once in Spanish and am currently trying to read it in Russian at last. Every single time I have read it, I am taken to a new level of depth and, even if I consider myself pretty good at literary palimpsests, unraveling new layers of significance takes time, dedication and a willingness to do it. Even then, I will sometimes find that my reading of M&M does not necessarily match that of others, including some hot-shot scholars. And, to be honest, I find some pride in this fact.

The thing is, you and I do not have the right to judge how superficial or in-depth someone's approach to a work of art is. Every hour you and I spent dwelling on M&M (or any book, for the matter) is time we did not spend going out with friends, working out, or watching a football match... We make our choices and take what they bring to us and our lives. We shouldn't be so harsh when judging the choices other made.. We should be happy that many people choose to read M&M (however superficially that may have been) instead of wasting their time with other less useful activities.

One last thought: Lord of the Rings.

While it does have a very maniqueist moral structure and little to offer in terms of human complexity when it comes to it's characters, it presents many layers of reading to someone who (like myself) was raised on the Eddas, the Nibelungenlied, Spencer's Fairie Queen and similar works.

Beowulf, the Mabinogion and the Ulster Cycle (to name a few examples) have equally simplistic scenarios but their beauty and depth lie in other things. LOTR is closer to them than to modern literature. It is my belief that, were it written differently (perhaps, in a more manifold fashion) it would feel post-modern and allegoric at best, and anachronyc, inadequate and out of place at worst.

So, in closing, while it is true that many may have a superficial reading of M&M or LOTR (and, remember, I am not trying to put them in the same level) there are many others who can find unexpected gems buried deep underneath their surface. Perhaps, even, some gems that were not meant by the author himself...

...so, be thankful that you are one of the lucky ones who found them but try and be less judgmental to the experience of others.

Peace

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der-rattenfaenger the book is too complex to transpose on screen, any oen who has not read it will be lost by the second part, u ahev to remeber the narative to understand most of whats happening untill about the 7th part, then the charachters are narrowed down, the movie was made for the people who read the book, not for people who wanted to read it but decided to watch the movie

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This movie is not about to be cheap or expensive. If you want an expensive movie, watch "Lord of the ring" or "King Kong"
This movie is great! I have right to say that, because this movie based on my favorite book and I can tell any of part of it without reading. I couldn't imagine anything better. All parts are brilliant, including actors, director, cinematography, MUSIC, etc.
IT DOESN'T MATTER, that Begemot is not perfect. The movie delivered what it suppose to deliver.
Please, don't discuss the details, read the book and watch the movie again. It is possible that you'll understand what I have meant.

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Well, for all I know the movie is pile of rubble. Perhaps one should see some great russian movies of the past to realize "how it's done". Unfortunately, making money now is more important then making money AND doing the job right.

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This movie is not Bulgakov. but it's a decent illustration of what someone thinks Bulgakov is, could have been much much worse.

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ok, I wont get into any discussions, but I even liked Begemot...

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Impressions from the movie always reflect initial expectations - if you have high expectations, you will have higher dissapointment. If you set low standards, you will be more likely satisfied. Someone here said "I cannot imagine anything better!". Well, I suppose more likely you are not a film director either - you cannot say what "can be done better". Personally, I expected better, much better, even not being a director myself either. I expected Pilate to be younger, not because he is younger according to the book. He must look like a powerful dictator, warrior, causing fear to all who talk to him, who turned into politician in the country he hates. Lavrov looks tired, weak and soft from the start, which makes his trasformation in the end almost invisible. I expected Rimsky to be a good, smart serious man, not a clown. His character is not evil and he does not deserve any punishment from Woland, his only problem is fear. Rymski is a tragic figure demonstrating how fear can destroy you even if you are innocent. Instead, characters like Rimsky, Varenukha, Likhodeev, even Bezdomnyi and Berlioz as so schematic and primitive that I kept on asking the same question over and over while watching the series - "what are they doing here? What are for here?"

We don't know how the movie can be done otherwise - it takes a genius to figure that out. Obviously this genius isn't born yet.

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unfortunately, even THAT would be a step forward! even brad pitt could do a better bezdomny...

i watched most of one episode and decided to change the channel. checked on it during commercial breaks on a couple other days and found no desire to go back to it.

my only regret - i missed margarita's tits... does that say anything about me? unfortunately, NO, it doesn't, instead, it says something about the film - that there just isn't anything more than tits to be seen here!

dull, emotionless acting, all-star cast completely miscast (let's get a famous face in here, doesn't matter if it fits, what matters is that the average housewife will get a happy!).

the whole endeavour reminds me of lame Awards shows and massive holiday "concerts", the sort that don't mean anything to anyone, where the main goal is to gather up as many currently unemployed or under-PRed ageing celebrities as the economy-class budget can hold. the fact that they don't care matters not because the target viewer is a "kitchen-slave" housewife or a bored retired couple of senior citizens.

...considering that many young or unrealized acting talents are willing to work for free or even pay for the opportunity to be seen by such a wide audience, and put their all into it, pathetic choice!

-Ad

PS apparently, there is a good M+M film out there somewhere, that was well filmed about 10 years ago but never released due to legal struggles with producers. certain sources claim that the few effective moments in M+M were totally ripped off from that unreleased material...

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> PS apparently, there is a good M+M film out there somewhere,
Bwah! I've just downloaded part of it of the net (just like 5 minutes in total). And I can tell you that it's a pile of crap! It's even worse than these mini-series! Acting is horrible, sets are bad, music is annoying... It's big pile of crap! Believe me when I say it's a good thing it never got released. Don't say something is good until you've seen it!

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I'm sorry.. but this movie (the mini-series) *IS* crap... I'm Russian, i read the book and I'm a film student. I know Russian film industry, I know the actors that play in this movie and I know that they can do much, much better. I've been so disapointed with this "thing" there are no words for it. Maybe someone that never studied filmmaking and never read Bulgakov can somehow appreciate that "thing". I honestly cannot. I cannot feel the director's work, neither can I feel the DOP's work. There is no ambiance, no mystical feeling whatsoever and must of the actors are horrible. And I don't even begin to mention the special effects... this book deserves better. Either you make a good (LOTR quality) movie out of it, either you leave it alone.

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> this book deserves better
I couldn't agree more, but so far that's the best we've got. And by the way I've studied (and studying) filmmaking and read the book. Yes, the series are flawed (my main complaint is the cinematography which is just plain horrible), but it could have been much worse. So far I'm satisfied and I'm waiting to see what's the nextadaptation will be like.

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Yeah, it could have been worst... I just know so many Russian actors that would fit into the roles much better, but hey.. their bugdet seemed pretty tight so I understand they can't afford bigger names. It's just too TV-like (although it is TV..) when I've always had a cinematographical vision of the story. If I ever turn out to be the movie director I want to be, I will most certainly take a shot at making something valuable out of this book.

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I thought Basilashvili was disappointing too. I imagined Woland slightly younger and more dynamic, with a lot of wit and thinly veiled sarcasm, particular in the opening scene. Basilashvili seemed overly morose and aloof. At times it seemed he was no longer the mythological "trickster" (compare to Loki of norse mythology) but a lethargic, senile old man.

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Woland was just like I imagined him. Matter of taste!

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