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John Voorhees and Michelle Rossi-Voorhees


I found their actions annoying about the Sabbath rule. I understand that the show is to portray a 21st century reaction to 17th century lifestyles. However, I don't think that the reaction justifies bucking the rules and requirements of what the 17th century lifestyle would have been. If you do, you are living nothing more than a camping trip in strange clothes.
Why would you take on doing such a project when you know that religion will come up and be a big part of the project? I found their actions selfish and unfair to the others. I am assuming that the only reason they were alllowed to stay was because it made good ratings and fit modern day politically correct mentalities. Had they refused to work, cook, or play by their assigned roles (I.E.-freeman, servant, governor, etc.), I wonder if PBS would have booted them from the project. I wonder what type of agreement all the participants had to promise to or sign by before the project started. If these two had agreed to do the Sabbath thing before hand or agreed to follow the 1628 laws, they should have been kicked out for a violation of the project.
I know that many of those in the project violated swearing rules, etc. However, I didn't see any as ridiculous as John and Michelle. Some started to get that way after it seemed they realized that nothing was going to be done to curb John and Michelle. Why follow the rules if they don't?
I think John and Michelle had great personalities and screen presence. However, I think their horse's behind attitude was not appropriate. If you don't want to practive living in 1628, don't go. It is normal to say you don't like it or to have a reaction. You are not actors. However, not liking your situation is one thing and attempting to modernize-compromise a 1628 history living project is not. Shame on you.

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Thankfully John came around towards the end. I found it quite disturbing, and when Mrs. Voorhees said it was not fair or very accepting, I yelled "of course it isn't fair, it's the 1600s!" Many of the people on the show tried to push 20th and 21st century beliefs on the show, and it just made them look like complete fools.

I then realized that many of these people are ignorant of American history or have never been exposed to it where they grew up. Coming from a location that is 20 minutes from George Washington and George Mason's houses, the first actuall battle of the Civil War (Manassas/Bull Run) and 30 minutes from Washington DC, as well as in the state that has Williamsburg, Jamestown, and Richmond, I know more about how people in the past actually lived.

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I agree with what you about what are saying about those escaping religious persecution, wanting a new opportunity, or eventually forcing their own religious beliefs on to others. However, I think the Voorhees were a stretch to fit into that because they were not people with beliefs adhering to 17th century laws. They were 21st century people bucking and rebeling about a project on the 17th century. Thus, we really did not get an accurate portrayal of how they would have handled things or would have been expected to perform in the community. I can see people refusing to go to church and rebeling against society and the law in the 21st century. I don't need to go back in time and do it with costumes on. What would have been better would have been seeing them have their beliefs in private and letting the viewer see how they handled it with each other and how they were able to deal with this on a daily basis. How well did they hide it? How much could they be themselves without being found out or punished?
Saying this, it would have also been fine to have had them be vocal and still follow 17th century codes of conduct. Acting out regularly against what the norms of the time would have been on a regular basis violated the reason for being there. How is this different than refusing to be a servant or refusing to work in the garden or insisting on taking turns on sleeping in the bed with the high freemen? You can't change the codes of conduct or it compromises the experience and the expereince of others. They just got away with what they rebeled on because it was religion. Their actions also allowed the others to become somewhat laid back in following the laws as well. It created a bad situation and opened a Pandora's Box. They should have been booted. I think Governor Wyers showed great restraint and atrempted to compromise. Had he not, I think there would have been a blow-up or the prject would have fallen apart all together. I think he knew this. Why ruin it for everyone who really wanted to be there and have the experience?

Whether or not the Voorhees agred to such a thing, we don't know. However, an online interview with the Wyers family SUPPOSEDLY stated there was. Being stong in your convictions has nothing to do with how you participate. I am sure the servants did loads of what they didn't want to do.
I am still not convinced that the Voorhees acted according to plan. The Heinz couple was liberal and far left and I don't think they acted fully as to how they would have liked in many situations.

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-"extremely annoying to listen to those religious people sing religious songs, and I was annoyed when they read pasages from the Bible"-

This is COLONIAL HOUSE. It was appropriate for the setting. Religion was a major part of the lives of the era. It was not out of place. Had it been Imperial Japan House, Sioux House, or ancient Egypt House, I could see your point.
Their actions are about as ridiculous as a conservative Bible believing Christian volunteering for India House and balking because they have to pretend to be Hindu. Before volunteering, a conservative Christian knows that Hinduism will most likely come up and that you might have to attend a Hindu temple and discuss Hindu prayers and rituals. If you don't, I have a lake I want to sell you on the moon. (If the producers expected the couple in question to do this to this extreme, they obviously wanted ratings from sensationalism and not an educational and beneficial project on our connections and reactions to the past.)
If a conservative Christian went to India House, they should realize that they are there to experience on TV what it would be like for a 21st century person to live the lifestyle. You are not being asked to be converted. You are being asked to participate in an experment to compare how a 21st century person might react in an historical environment and get a window into how a previous century person might have had to deal and live in life.
It is fine and expected that you might discuss your dislikes and frustrations. However, to refuse to particpate and attempting to violate the lifestyle of what you hope to imitate is down right ridiculous.

-" They were there to thrive as a community, not praise God/Jesus."-
To a colonist in the 17th century, this was part of thriving as a community. It fit the era and the project. It is true that not all people of the era came to the continent for religious reasons. I have a B. A. in history and have known this for ages. However, religion permeated all aspects of life-religious or not. I live in 21st century America and don't believe that medical care should be a part of capitalism like buying a car or house. Guess what? Too bad! I live in the 21st century and have to do it anyway!

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-"Religion in colonial America has absolutely no comparison to the religious societies of Imperial Japan, the Sioux nation, or ancient Egypt"-

I never said it did. Your response has nothing to do with my original post. Read the previous post again. What I did say, was that all eras have their own religion and culture. If you are participating in a re-creation of that culture then you are expected to participate as if you are in that culture. Otherwise, you are nothing more than glorified campers in costumes. So, I'll say it again. If you are in one of these types of experiments, you know what you will be coming against when you volunteer. An athiest balking at partipating in colonial church practices is just as ridiculous as a Christian balking at participating in Hindu practices. That is, when you have volunteered to be on a program that is taping modern people acting out as if they lived that existence. It doesn't say you believe it. You are acting it out. The message is don't volunteer if you don't want to fully particpate in the experiment.

-"If you wish to attack the Voorhees for not being in absolute obedience with your interpretation of 17th century Christianity (Puritanism), then you must commence to attack the entire cast for the same sin"-

It is not "my" interpretation of Christianity (Puritanism). Any scholar or history professor knows what religious practices were for the time period. That obviously is not the issue here. How does my opinion of the religion of the era have anything to do with expecting participants to adhere to period customs? Huh? So called interpretations of Christianity has nothing to do with recreating culture.

As far as others, they were just as bad as the Voorhees. I mention the Voorhees because they started the rebellion mess and it snowballed. Singing hymns or reading any passages not related to the era was just as inappropriate. Religion was just a good ratings factor and related to current modern mentalities and politcal correctness. How would it have been viewed had a participant stated that they would not work because it messed up their nails and they spent a lot of money that year in a salon? How would it have been different had a servant stated that a freeman sleeping in a bed and their slepping on the floor was not fair and they wouldn't do it anymore? This would be the same type of rebellion that would have compromised the project.
The project is authentic when the particpants act as close to what happened as possible. What makes it stay in tune wit this is to allow them to speak their frustrations and how they view it with a modern mind. To refuse to do it, does not allow viewers to see history in action. It allows to show people rebeling about history in action and prevents the theme of the program.

-"The producers knew that the Voorhess would riot against the Sabbath."-

They obviously knew they would get different perspectives and opinions as to what took place. Refusing to participate and act as if they were in period is something else.

-"Exactly and the people reacted"-

Reacting was expected. Altering the time period was not.

-"You have not studied your history enough"-
Huh? How do you know what I have studied? Stay on topic. We have not discussed colonial history at all. We have discussed people on a TV program. They are two separate entities. Wake up.

-"The settlers were there to thrive as a community, not praise god/jesus"-

I refer you to the local Barnes and Noble and really a history course at a major university.
The colonists were not all about god/jesus. However, it was the center of their lives. Even the most ignorant to history know that. You can't leace out its impact. Use reason. If it was not a major focus we would not ne discussing Puritanism and religion and having to attend the Sabbath. Put two and two together.








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A true student of history knows that along with the religion in the colonies there was plenty of dissent.

You wouldn't have a separate Rhode Island today without a Roger Williams and his dissenting views:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Williams_%28theologian%29

Thomas Hooker did essentially the same thing in Connecticut:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hooker

Then there was Merrymount, a virtual reversion to paganism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrymount_%28Quincy,_Massachusetts%29

No matter how monolithic history may seem, there have always been and always will be dissenters who question the common wisdom. The Voorhees easily and rightly fit into this tradition.

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i noticed one thing when ot came to the laws on the colony, the governor always exempted himself from the blasphemy & profanity laws.

trashing books is like the Special Olympics even if you burn them all you are still a retard.

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They signed up for it, yet they pretty much complained the entire time and opted out. It was most obvious when they all went nude swimming on a Sunday.

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