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Blake is NOT Kurt Cobain - try to understand that


I've noticed a lot of distraught fans of Kurdt at the board, screaming: "What has Gus Van Sant done to Kurt?!?!?"

Try to understand: Blake is not Kurt. He shares similarities to Kurt. He alludes to Kurt. There are very clever and subtle references to Kurt Cobain in the movie, but ultimately this is not about him. This is about the rock star that walks towards his death - whether he kills himself or is killed (the figure in red in the film). Notice you don't even see a gun?

So, no, don't worry. Whatever Kurt was like during his last days, this was probably not it. It might have been like it - or better, or worse - but Blake isn't Kurt. You have to understand that.

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I liked it. Because a lot of people are derading this film because they think it's Kurt Cobain.

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"a rock and roll cliche" best line in the whole damn thing. Oh, poor little rich spoiled rotten musician.

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There's more to life than money.

At least I have cinema.

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He said that. But it's not Kurt Cobain himself. I'd say it's only 40% Cobain, 60% whoever.

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Because they made a *beep* mainstream movie which pretends to be about Kurt Cobain and it absolutely isn't.

His last days were not like this, and if you ask Kurt's friends what he was like, they paint a completely different picture.

Cobain was not a *beep* mumbling retard who wandered around in the woods talking to himself, and it's not right that this *beep* movie even insinuates that. Cobain was a pretty righteous guy, and publicly he spoke out against drugs etc.. and this film isn't doing him justice by portraying him like this.

People can read the truth about Cobain and his last days if you look up the information on the web, and they will see that this movie is not even attempting to be accurate. I don't mind that, but the movie doesn't explain that, so it misleading people who watch it, and that is wrong.

It's a bunch of greedy bastards trying to make money off a dead guy.

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I don't know why you keep saying that this is a mainstream movie, it was made on a relatively small budget with no stars and played in arthouse movie theatres.

The character of Blake isn't shown to be a retard, he's a man who's been destroyed by his own success, his battle with heroin addiction, and the users around him. He's a shell of his former success, but as shown in two scenes in the film, still capable of making beautiful art. Unfortunately, his connection to this earth is so damaged, that he can no longer hold on.

Do you think that Kurt Cobain was walking around whooping it up and slapping high fives before he killed himself? Maybe you think he was sitting by candlelight quietly writing poetry or some other romanticized bullsh t.

I can promise you that this film wasn't made to make anybody rich.

At least I have cinema.

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I'm not sure Kurt's friends are a reliable source. They only see the side that is shown to them. People can be very good at hiding things like depression. From what I've read on the internet, there isn't much reliable stuff about what happened in his last days. If you could provide some links, though, that would be good.

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Whether the movie was about Kurt or not, it was still a horrible film.

Well...my other God calls - The Honorable Sheriff of Nottingham

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Well, you've convinced me!

At least I have cinema.

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Actually I was about to recommend Kieslowski to you, but ta!

At least you don't like "Last Days" for the right reasons. Although you don't mean it this way, for anyone reading this: Sapphic-Lament is not lumping in "Last Days" with "I Am Legend," but stating that "Last Days" doesn't work as a film. I do not entirely agree with them, but I understand their feelings about it. (And I like "In Bruges".)

Yes, I DO think that many people who call this film "profound" do, in fact, secrectly hate it. Or were bored by it. Or just think it's a strange, offbeat definition of "artsy".

I think it's fine. Not great, not bad. Reverse Shot has a couple of thoughtful reviews of "Last Days". Maybe you will find something to your satisfaction on that website that justifies the film.

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last days is a quality film,having watched this late one night over the weekend i felt that it was a beautiful and moving piece of cinema,and contains some of my favourite ever scenes in a film.for example the slow zoom out from the window while blake is layering different pieces of music over one another,eventually coming to a climax as he starts playing the drums...i could watch that scene over and over for the rest of my life.

i simply cannot understand people who write this off as a poor film,would u rather directors simply butcher what has been done before?or make a film simply for the prospect of making a quick buck? (spielbergs supposed remake of oldboy,im looking at you...)at least gus van sant is trying to create something that stirs you inside,making you involved with what he is trying to say.

and as for the kurt cobain argument,it states at the end of the film that it is based loosely on the final days of kurt cobain.im a huge nirvana fan but those who use this point as an argument for why the film is poor are the same people who cry whenever they think about his death,he was a druggy idiot who killed himself,indirectly or not.get over it and take the film for what it is,a look at the last days of a drugged up rock star,not a rehash of kurt cobain

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I have a bit of knowledge of the last days - to say the least - having helped Ev True with some research given I've always had an (i'll admit) morbid interest in his final month or so. And I feel this film is more than just "inspired by", there are a lot of direct parallels, and many of these will be lost on the casual viewer:

Characters
Blake: Kurt (obviously)
Scott: Michael "Cali" DeWitt. Became an A&R guy, fell out with Courtney.
PI: Tom Grant. PI who can't spot two-storey buildings in the rain. Makes money out of claiming Cobain was killed.
Donovan: Dylan Carlson. Kurt's closest friend, fellow heroin user. Appears in Nick Bloomfield documentary.

1/ Blake wears an inpatient braclet at the start of the film, Cobain had recently "escaped" from an open-door rehab.

2/ The Tom Moore cigar box. A Tom Moore cigar box was found next to Cobain's body containing heroin and paraphanellia.

3/ Blake combs his hair. One of the officers on the scene said "his hair looked like it had been recently combed".

4/ The phone from the record company. Cobain was under pressure to play Lollapalooza.

5/ The person on the other end of the line to Scott is probably meant to be Courtney Love, who was in LA at the time.

6/ The greenhouse looks a hell of a lot like the one Cobain was found dead in, except it is one-storey. The mansion is similar but much larger. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aHueh7kqAk

That's just in the first fifteen minutes.

As for the actual days, from what people say they weren't particularly interesting. He bought a shotgun then went to rehab, forgot he had shells on his person so gave them to his taxi driver. came back, bought some more shells, bummed around Seattle, went to Linda's Tavern and the Cactus Resturant, went to see The Piano, reported missing, found dead, last seen alive on April 4.

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I don't know. I'm enjoying the Directing most of all, like I'm baffled by the fact that there is virtually very little dialogue, but I get that he's driving off of real word events and that kind of speaks volumes. It is, like most people point out constantly, is only a representation of Kurt Cobain and is in no way directly about Kurt Cobain. Although he could've went a completely different direction, he went that direction, and although I don't agree with it since it seems to create a lot of *beep* amongst the fan base who actually knows things about the real Kurt Cobain and how he acted not much like any other outspoken passionate person. But that aside, the film has a lot of nonsense, that's wrapped up in pretty decent but poorly lit directing. I'm still enjoying it. I agree with your stand point, it's not artsy, it's not something it's not, and it's really not much lol but I still enjoy it.

P.S Yes, I'm young, and Im captivated by Nirvana. But I didnt buy Nevermind and just hit the repeat a bunch of times and say 'dudzz smells like teen spirit is the *beep* and call myself a fan.. I find that in your OP as insulting. lol that'd make me out as one of the douchebags who were attracted to it because it was mainstream.

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This film is a loose interpretation of what Cobain's last several days might have been like.

No, it's not 100% accurate, nor did it attempt to be, but make no mistake; Kurt Cobain's final days are the sole source of inspiration for Gus Van Sant's Last Days.

Now, if some changes were made to accomodate the wishes of the Cobain Estate and avoid a lawsuit, I can't say. But to infer Gus Van Sant's Last Days shares many similarities with the end of Cobain's life by way of coincidence is just disingenuous at best, regardless of whatever disclaimers Van Sant taked on during the end credits.

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TerryWatt69 is correct in my opinion. Van Sant has even said as much.

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terrywatt69^

Agree ~





"I will not go gently onto a shelf, degutted, to become a non-book." ~ Bradbury

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Of Kurt Cobain and the entire cultural movement surrounding him and surrounding River Phoenix and infecting LA that Van Sant himself was a part of and focusing on in his films.

Blake is all of it, and he's also an allusion to William Blake's visionary gesalt, and the entire film is a contrast against William Blake's visionaryisms, perhaps in order to tell viewers that Cobain and the entire cultural movement Van Sant is referring to and all youths in general were gifted fallen visionaries and potential visionaries whom have been and are being destroyed by this world. That our society/culture is wrecking our Youth and destroying their imaginations, their creative instinct, their vision, their Hope, their basic faith in life.

For example, William Blake felt that the fragmentation and emptiness of most people's lives could be best understood through a myth of the fall of man, but Blake/Kurt's fall magnified the fragmentation and emptiness; William Blake felt the prophet saw all the misery and bewilderment resulting from the fall, but Blake/Kurt didn't care; William Blake felt the prophet dreamed dreams for change and renewal, but for Blake/Kurt dreams and making music were an escape; William Blake championed that the purpose for art was for all people to share in the vision, but Blake/Kurt was largely indifferent and even opposed to sharing his music; William Blake felt that when one finally achieves a clear vision of the human community that should exist, one works towards that goal and one's work and life have meaning, but Blake/Kurt lacked that vision so his work and life had no meaning and thus he took himself out of the world, and a last example, William Blake felt that significant change could only occur through the radical regeneration of each person's own power to imagine, but Blake/Kurt's method of radical regeneration was death, and what he did terminated his ability to imagine, and his suicide did not regenerate the imagination of anybody, instead it negated creative energies and nullified hope.

And William Blake's vision of Christ resembled Blake/Kurt -

The Vision of Christ that thou dost see
Is my Vision's greatest enemy.


Blake/Kurt an enemy because he's countercultural, and because he's unwittngly leading followers down the "wrong" path (drugs)

Thine is the Friend of all Mankind;
Mine speaks in parables to the blind.


Only a certain segment of people identified with the meaning of Blake/Kurt's lyrics

Thine loves the same world that mine hates;
Thy heaven doors are my hell gates.


Blake/Kurt/Wasted Youth Landscape "hates" the world, is marginalized by the world, lives counterculturally and in opposition to the world

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A lot of the people who are saying "this isn't meant to be kurt" obviously don't know that much about nirvana and kurt. If this wasn't meant to be kurt, then he wouldn't have worn the same clothes:

http://www.interpunk.com/itemimages2/153630.jpg

Those sunglasses, even that hat

http://www.openingceremony.us/userfiles/image/news/dec10/121410-christian-roth-sunglasses/121410-christian-roth-sunglasses-1.jpg

The shotgun.

The drag act.

The greenhouse is exactly the same.

Hair is exactly the same style and colour. Body is exactly the same build.

Daughter and estranged wife.

A private investigator searching.

Hell, blake even has the same gear as kurt! There's a blue competition fender mustang he uses and there is a boss DS1 in the room where he plays his acoustic. Though the guitars are right handed, I think that is more to do with the fact that Michael Pitt is a right handed guitarist and he played stuff live on set.

There would have been no need to get these meticulous details correct if this were not meant to be kurt. How anyone can say this "isn't meant to be kurt" is beyond belief.

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I think he called the character Blake to avoid the consequent trouble of having to deal with the inaccuracy of facts or the scorn of fans who would eventually take this as grave robbery. Any arguement you'd like to get into? It's not Kurt, it's BLAKE! But it's totally square of you to disregard the fact that this whole thing IS an imaginary portrait of Kurt's last days.
He wants to share his idea of what Kurt's last days would have been like but then he doesnt show him do drugs. I love Kurt too but everyone knows that back then Kurt Cobain = HEROIN. Why didn’t he show him do drugs? “Not to be disrespectful?” But then he shows the famous body in the greenhouse shot.

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