WAS KURT MURDERED?

anyone who knows anything about elliott smith knows he did not kill himself.


that convo has passed, but just putting that out there.

I'm sleeping in a Submarine

Kurt Cobain, I'm not sure.

As for Elliott Smith, noone can hate themselves enough to stab themselves TWICE. He was walking through a park after dark, chances are he was murdered... you don't kill yourself by stabbing yourself twice, that's homicide.

Kurt Cobain, I'm not sure.

As for Elliott Smith, noone can hate themselves enough to stab themselves TWICE. He was walking through a park after dark, chances are he was murdered... you don't kill yourself by stabbing yourself twice, that's homicide.

How could elliot smith have killed himself, by stabbing himself twice? yeah right. Smith was murdered for sure. No one stabs themself and then goes jeez that hurt, i'm not dead yet, might as well stab myself again.

well no, not entirley true. if you look at the "evidence" or whatever. kurt had 3 times the lethal dose in his body which would have either killed him or sent him straight to the coma. and no he didnt take it every few hours. otherwise it wouldnt have came up like that. and no kurts dosage didnt rise. in fact kurt cut down greatly on the heroin.

kurt was left handed i belive, but yet it was his left hand holding the barrel, with his right arm flung very away from his body. he would have pulled the trigger with his left hand nor right. and his right arm was too far from his body. i dont see how he could have shot himself, he was laying straight on his back, if you shoot yourself with a shotgun you either use your toe, which kurts shoes were on, or you somehow bend forward, but kurt didnt bend forward, because he was laying straight on his back, if he was bent he would have stayed in that position or at least not lying straight on his back.

kurt was going to divorce courtney and possibly take frances away, courtneys career would have been on the rocks also. theres a motive. not saying she did it, but shes the only one with a motive i can think of.

kurt wasnt depressed, he got help for his stomach problems, and all of his close friends and family say kurt was not suicidal or depressed at that time, thats why they were shocked. kurt was depressed BEFORE 1994 but not after.

and no there was no shock because noone expected him to kill himself, kurt had a weird sense of humour, and he was showing "signs" without them being serious, im sure if they were true signs that kurt didnt laugh at then his friends would have stepped up.

but they didnt do that, because kurt wasnt suicidal.

and whos the one who keeps calling that shot? thats right courtney only. oh yeah and mtv. and whos the one that lied and said kurt locked himself in a bathroom with a gun? thats right courtney, and who said he wasnt suicdal? thats right KURT.


(i wont be back to get any responses to read. sorry)

actually you are almost right- but.. it's the crab people- not scorpions.

actually nah, she killed him. the dude above me said a good portion of the evidence but theres also the fact that courtney love actually offered a guy $50,000 to kill Kurt about 6 months before he died, but the guy, who agreed, fell through last minute. and i think the guy above me forgot to mention that kurt was planning on changing his will to exclude Courtney, since i guess he basically hated her and was of course filing for divorce right before he was killed. oh and also his suicide note reads as a letter of retirement from the music industry, followed by his signature. only after the signature does any of it even hint at suicide ("i love you courtney and frances..." or something) and its written in much larger and uneven print that has been proven not to match cobain's handwriting. theres more wierd things too but I'm kind of blanking out right now anyhow.
and to the guy above me that said "Don't you think the police would have looked through it all and if it was realy so 'simple' and 'straight-forward' then don't you think she would have been arrested by now???"
no I don't think so. i think the police treated the case open and shut without really realizing most of these details until after the fact, and by that point were basically to embarrased to re-open the case...the didn't want to admit they made a mistake.
oh and one other thing before i quit ranting. some other guy on this thread said a detective (Tom Grant) made up this whole thign to get famous and get money from his book. do your homework buddy. Tom grant never wrote a book or did anythign to get money of this case because he knows guys like you would accuse him of exactly what you just did, and he would be discredited. He hasnt made a dime off the Kurt Cobain case, and as for fame, i guess you could say a few Nirvana fans know his name but i wouldn't think of him as famous.

Look, I don't know whether he shot himself or not, but I do think there's a high posibility that Courts did it or set it up to have him killed. Either way, I could care less about Kurt Cobain, because the guy was a loser who made good music. But it needs to be pointed out that just because no charges were ever brought against C. Love, that doesn't mean she didn't do it. Guilty people get away with crimes all the time due to evidence being circumstantial. Circumstantial evidence is that which tells everyone with common sense that someone is guilty, but it doesn't have enough of a direct connection to prove guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt. So don't get all preachy and know it all about something which you know nothing about. Just because you "said this before and will say it again", that does not mean you are right. In fact, you may want to stop saying it so much until you have a better argument than "straight-forward evidence".



the hero marches alone across the highway of death

Look: the police have admitted it was a sloppy job. For example, there were no markings on his hand. That was sloppy police work.

Here's an interesting concept: Who Cares!?!

If you actually go to the Justice For Kurt myspace page, the interesting thing I noticed was who his top friends were... Mudhoney & FOO FIGHTERS.

If Dave Grohl wants to support this organization and bring awareness to this story, maybe more people should be paying attention. Grohl would have had a pretty deep insight into Kobain's head.

Grohl has been involved in several legal disputes with Courtney Love since then about rights to Nirvana B-Sides, so it's interesting to see that he believes the case should be reopened.

I know that the odds of Grohl running Foo Fighter's myspace account are small, but I'm sure he'd have to okay something like this...