Statham would beat Snipes down!!!!
so Statham would win, but does ne one kno if the movie is avliable in the US? i want the movie but i am having truoble with getting it. please help me!
shareSnipes has 3rd dan black belt and what has jason? anyway i like them both:)
shareat the end of the day seagal would kick both their arses and break all of their limbs without even touching them, just by the power of thought
shareSeagal has good skills, but no one outside the filmaking community knows that he got beat down on one of his movie sets when he was critical of several actors of that day, who were successful themselves in the action gener. To make a long story short, he was put in his place by a man, he made a mistake of mis-judging, because of his age, put Seagal on the floor. In addition, the side efect of the old man's manuever, caused Segal to *beep* on himself IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CREW.
At that time, Seagal's reputation for harming stuntmen, and his casting couch antics was legend and for the crew to witness that he is like everyone else, Segal himself was embarrased. The Mask he wore, born from his mythology as being "Superman" destroyed. The Studios that financed the picture, covered it up for fear of his fans learning the truth. The truth revealed, would sink the project to finacial abyss (keep in mind Seagal was hot property since Chuck Norris and important for white audiences to have "one of their own" on the screen to the filmakers and marketers, who made a TON of money from Seagal).
As far as Stratham beating Wesley Snipes, not in the least bit. Stratham looks good on film, just as Tom Cruise, Denzell Washington, and others who've been in great action films, but Wesley Snipes is the real deal. He has a lengthy resume off screen and his credibility is among The Martial Arts Community. Aside from his ego and arrogance, he'll whip me, you, and Stratham's *ss and in time, back home, for Corn Flakes.
^what he said about snipes kick arse...
in most of snipes roles, he always need to kick arse because he have to ;)
A paste from Wikipedia with the basics:
Steven Seagal (born April 10, 1951) is an American action movie actor, producer, writer, director, martial artist, singer-songwriter, spiritualist and activist. Seagal belongs to a generation of movie action hero actors including Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Dolph Lundgren, Jean-Claude Van Damme, Chuck Norris and Bruce Willis which featured in many of the Hollywood blockbuster action films of the late 1980s and 1990s. A 6 ft 4 in (193 cm) 7th-dan black belt in aikido, Seagal began his adult life as an aikido instructor in Japan, and became the first foreigner to ever own and operate an aikido dojo in Japan in Osaka [1]. He later moved to the Los Angeles, California area where he made his film debut in 1988 in Above the Law.
and it goes on to say he was the only american allowed to open a aikido dojo in Japan, that fact speaks for itself.
Anybody can underjudge somebody and end up on the floor.
That doesnt mean he lost a battle because obviously it didnt become a battle after Steven got back up off the floor.
There was a special on Steven on the Discovery channel that covered his whole life, and one of the things they made notable was that the more success he made in his films, the more he argued about how his roles should play out, with the directors of the films.
He almost lost his occupation as an actor because of that because Hollywood was fast learning about it and many Producers didnt want to deal with an argumentative star.
Now take that fact and apply it to your story above. Would you get up and beat the crap out of the stuntmen/other actors with this in your work history and chance losing future roles?
He is getting older now so of course he has slowed down and his weight gain doesnt help, but I have no doubt if his job hadnt been on the line, he would've gotten back up and cleaned the guys clock that had hit him.
say what you mean and mean what you say
Uhhhh....Ahhhh...okay...so.
Let's break this down.
You got information that is known to everyone and that everyone has access too.
The ONLY American allowed to open a Dojo in Japan? I can name 30 American men, now, in the present, that have Dojo's in Japan. Granted-there are few and far between, but not because you have to be allowed and approved by a group of Japanese Jedi's to have one.
That special on Steven Seagal of Discovery? Yeah...I saw it too. Bruce Lee had a special on Discovery. Chuck Norris. Just to name a few. What are you trying to say?
Are you suggesting that just because Seagal had his success AT THE SAME TIME (not with) Bruce Willis, Arnold, Sylvester Stallone, that Seagal is up there with them?
Let's see:
Bruce Willis-still employed.
Sylvester Stallone-say what you will. He's still respected and still employed AND his latest was shown in THE MOVIES, NOT DIRECT TO DVD.
Arnold-Gov of California.
Steve Seagal-FORGOTTEN. BALD. FAT and UNEMPLOYED. Yes folks. HE USES SPRAY-ON HAIR TO HIDE HIS BALDNESS.
Did you know that guy? Guess not.
Seagal being argumentative is just a small part of the story. He was arguing with the very same people who put him on the map and put money in his pocket. Do you think you'd be stupid enough to create problems with the very same people who've helped you in this business? And...are you suggesting he knew better than the people who were making films long before he came into the scene? Use your common sense dude. I don't care if you can do a flying kick that would knock Saturn off-course...YOU NEVER MAKE WAVES AND ENEMIES IN THIS BUSINESS.
And by the way, when he had that altercation with the person I mentioned, that was at the time he was at the height of his career.
Where did I get that story? I have family in the business and if you do to, you know my story is 100%. Steven Seagal is a good martial artist. No question. But he's got a big mouth and many occasion, he was put in his place, not to mention the guy who put him on the floor, made him piss in his pants.
Do you know the real reason why he got divorced from Kelly LeBroque? Wasn't because of him messing with the baby sitter. That was a small portion of the story. It was because he was an abusive prick. He would beat the crap out of her if she went down the block to get milk. He was an insanely jealous control freak.
Dude-I can do a tit-for-tat story with you and you still don't have half the things I could lay out.
Next time...get your sources from the people WITHIN THE BUSINESS. Not People Magazine.
Have a nice day.
Ok, lets do this by paste again:
your words:
The ONLY American allowed to open a Dojo in Japan? I can name 30 American men, now, in the present, that have Dojo's in Japan. Granted-there are few and far between, but not because you have to be allowed and approved by a group of Japanese Jedi's to have one
My answer:I was referring to the time the Wikipedia story was referring to which was in his early years, NOT NOW, so it is not important to bring in the now.
Your words:
Are you suggesting that just because Seagal had his success AT THE SAME TIME (not with) Bruce Willis, Arnold, Sylvester Stallone, that Seagal is up there with them?
My Answer:
no, where do you see anything referring to comparing acting talents in my post?
your words:
Bruce Willis-still employed.
my answer:
so is Steven: check out his movies still being made and the fact he hasnt been unemployed for how long? forever maybe? heres just the last 5 years movies he's been in, funny you didnt see this since its pasted from THIS site:
# Prince of Pistols (2008) (in production) .... John Prince
# Killing Point (2008) (V) (post-production) .... Detective Jacob King
# The Untitled Onion Movie (2008) (completed) .... Cock Puncher
# Pistol Whipped (2008) (V) .... Matt
# Urban Justice (2007) (V) .... Simon
... aka Renegade Justice (UK: DVD title)
# Flight of Fury (2007) (V) .... John Sands
# Attack Force (2006) (V) .... Cmdr. Marshall Lawson
# Shadow Man (2006) (V) .... Jack Foster
# Mercenary for Justice (2006) (V) .... John Seeger
... aka Mercenary (International: English title)
# Black Dawn (2005) (V) .... Jonathan Cold
... aka Foreigner 2 (International: English title: informal alternative title)
# Today You Die (2005) (V) .... Harlan Banks
# Submerged (2005) (V) .... Chris Cody
# Into the Sun (2005) .... Travis Hunter
# Out of Reach (2004) (V) .... William Lansing
... aka Poza zasiegiem (Poland)
# Clementine (2004) .... Jack Miller
# Belly of the Beast (2003) (V) .... Jake Hopper
# Out for a Kill (2003) (V) .... Prof. Robert Burns
# The Foreigner (2003) .... Jonathan Cold
... aka Cudzoziemiec (Poland)
think maybe you went brain dead about Stevens employment?
your words:
And by the way, when he had that altercation with the person I mentioned, that was at the time he was at the height of his career.
My answer:
it was at the Beginning of his career that he started making waves so what I reported still holds true that you DONT want to punch somebody back in the instance you provided.
your words:
But he's got a big mouth and many occasion, he was put in his place, not to mention the guy who put him on the floor, made him piss in his pants.
my answer:
common fact that when you get hard enough, you piss your pants, humiliating yes, but its not a superfeat to make somebody do that, so the hitter has no bragging rights, not to mention the fact that Steven probably didnt think the hitter had the guts to hit him in the first place so pretty much you could say it was an unexpected hit that didnt get returned as to save Steven from losing future roles if he had fought back.
your words:
Do you know the real reason why he got divorced from Kelly LeBroque? Wasn't because of him messing with the baby sitter. That was a small portion of the story. It was because he was an abusive prick. He would beat the crap out of her if she went down the block to get milk. He was an insanely jealous control freak
my answer:
and your reason for posting this fact is what?
does this say anything about why he didnt hit the guy back?
I dont see any correlation there at all.
Does this mean he's not a tough guy?
no, it doesnt, it just makes him a guy that shouldnt have these talents if he hits women, so I sympathize with at least that much if thats what you ARE saying.
I also HATE control freaks and maybe it was Karma that he did get hit by that guy, but it still doesnt mean he isnt tough as nails.
your words:
Dude-I can do a tit-for-tat story with you and you still don't have half the things I could lay out.
my answer:
I just did that to you myself, and it doesnt matter WHAT you post, he's still tough enough to be considered a superman to most people, because your facts could not take away the facts that there may like i said, been reasons about his employment that Steven didnt retaliate.
your words:
Next time...get your sources from the people WITHIN THE BUSINESS. Not People Magazine
my answer:
I dont read People Magazine and I told you my sources:
Wikipedia and Discovery channel
Discovery is all facts period I dont care what YOU say.
Wikipedia sometimes have errors.
But, in closing, one thing remains certain:
When you have a very bad reputation for being argumentative to producers and directors, and youre at the BEGINNING of your career, and then you start poking fun at other high name action stars and then get hit cause you start it yourself, you DONT retaliate and expect to be further employed. Common sense tells you that Directors and producers LOVE to be in CHARGE and if you know so much about the business as you profess, you would have KNOWN thats why Steven didnt hit the guy back. But no, just because you dont like the guy, you just HAD to bring down his character with incomplete facts.
Somehow I get this feeling that, its the papparrazis way of doing things, are you in training to join them?
your words:
Have a nice day.
my answer:
now that I have totally destroyed your intent of making Steven Seagals reputation bad as martial arts expert, i will have a great day.
however, you did do a great job of making him bad as a boyfriend or as a man since he hits women. But he still is tough as nails.
say what you mean and mean what you say
And your stupid enough to continue and debate about this b*llsh*t. Look dude, go back to the play pen and ask Steven Seagal if he can come outside and play with you. While your at it, Elvis can come out and sing you a song. I assume he's your hero too huh?
shareNo, I was just SMART enough to bury your credibility by illustrating how your story was biased .
Chances are that YOURE closer to being in the playpen than I since you referred to me as "dude" in your earlier post.
Clueless kids use that word a lot and since I'm 45 years old, I'm probably more than twice your age.
Not that it matters but Elvis never was much to me and I dont see how he ties in even remotely with Steven Seagal.
And as far as your story goes, it may just be b*llsh*t, since I did investigation of my own and found NO references whatsoever to the scenario you reported, but several other damaging things about Steven Seagal such as his possible ties to the Gotti Mafia, also there was not a inkling of him beating on Kelly Lebrock.
Now why do you suppose they would report several times about ties with the Mafia but not about a simple altercation with fellow actors? which would destroy his character more? The altercation or mafia ties?
I'm sure you know the answer to this, so it appears what you said has no backing.
I never said Steven was my hero, he never has been, and now he is yesterdays news in as far as action heros are concerned anyway.
I simply replied to your post about him (and this is the 3rd time I had to say it), because you make it sound like he shouldnt have been considered a "superman", when you cant change the minds of millions of his fans anyway.
Now lets see if you try to reply to this and bury yourself even more than you already have.
say what you mean and mean what you say
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR. You didn't bury any credibility! LLLLLOOOOOOSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!
The millions of fans? What are you talking about loser? SEAGAL is forgetten! Where have you been? LLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
45 and Seagal is the best you have? LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wait whats wrong with Elvis.
sharecommon fact that when you get hard enough, you piss your pants, humiliating yes, but its not a superfeat to make somebody do that, so the hitter has no bragging rights, not to mention the fact that Steven probably didnt think the hitter had the guts to hit him in the first place so pretty much you could say it was an unexpected hit that didnt get returned as to save Steven from losing future roles if he had fought back.
No guts? Do you know who Gene Le Belle is?
No guts?
Not even Seagal is that ignorant.
share
very well written
shareIt's true about Seagal's rep of arguing with the directors just by watching his old movies. He hardly ever got hit. Maybe a couple of times by the Jamaincan drug dealer in "Marked For Death" but that's it. He was always too dominant and that made it after a certain point boring.
Van Damn would get his ass kick but still come back to win which made it more exciting.
You know Seagal must have argued like crazy with the directors to make him be untouchable.
The only time I remember Segal getting his ass kick by a villain was in "Exit Wounds".
Seagal tried making a comeback there and he was being owned by Michael Jay White at the end. Unfortunately for Seagal the star of that movie was DMX.
By the way, Seagal got but up in a set of a movie by Gene Le Belle. This is a guy who did real no holds barred fighting before and trained Bruce Lee in Judo and submission grappling. He is the real deal and even though he is old, he has gorilla type grip. Seagal messed with the wrong dude.
I respect Seagal, he was the man when I was a kid. I would argue with my peers at school that he could beat up Van Damn. But success got to his head, and as a black belt in Akido, he should had reflected upon the humbleness that the art teaches.
Yep. And since you don't know the name of the stunt man (forgive me I mean no disrespect)I can tell you're not biased. The man Mr.Seagal faced was/is a hero of mine. A tough ass old school judoka by the name of "Judo" Gene Labell. Thanks for the props. Take care!
http://www.genelebell.com/
http://stewartsynopsis.com/just_bein3.htm
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And you can of course provide evidence for this story?
Otherwise, let me tell the real story that happened that day: The old man you were talking about was really a scientist who was on the brink of curing cancer. He tested his medicine in himself, but miscalculated the dosage. To counter-effect the drug, he needed to drink alcohol. Sadly, neither himself nor his best friend Seagal had any money on him, so they made up the whole fight thing; the scientist was subsequently invited to a lot of drinks, saving his life.
So the real story is that Seagal cured cancer.
Anyone who thinks having grades in martial arts like black belts makes someone a better fighter knows nothing about fighting.
N.