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Some things I don't understand about this movie


It was on tv just now, hadn't heard of it but figured I'd give it a chance. Anyways first of all, you put Statham and Snipes together in a movie and it's a heist movie/mystery?

Secondly, how do the filmmakers expect to get away with such obvious attempts at twists in this century? Seriously, from scene one with the newspaper clippings on I was put in 'suspicious viewer mode'. Why are we told these things in newspaper clipping with voiceover, why don't you show us the scene, are you hiding something movie? Ok so you tell me this cop York was punished severely and his partner Conners not so much. Movie focuses on Conners, but curiously York isn't mentioned again. Am I supposed to be stupid or forgetful? And of course things get more obvious as the movie goes on.

Thirdly, the heist plan hinges rather heavily on Statham being in charge of the hostage situation at the bank. Why exactly is he put in charge again, because the plot needs him to be? Snipes says he only wants to talk to Statham, that's it. Why does Statham need to be back on the force for this? Why does he suddenly call the shots at the bank? Why does he lead the investigation afterwards? The whole movie falls apart for me here really. If you're writing a mystery and you're using the most obvious tools at your disposal, at least make sure that things all make sense for crying out loud.

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That was my thought entirely. That often happens in IMDB when they give more complete character information than is in the actual film credits. It spoiled the film for me right from the beginning.

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1) Why not cast Snipes and Statham together? Do they always have to be in fighting movies? Statham was in THE BANK JOB, SNATCH, etc. Wesley was in Jungle Fever and the waterdance.

2) They weren't trying to hide the partner York. That's the entire point. They want you to be thinking it's the partner b/c eventually it would help the twist that it's Statham all along. Make it obvious one way get them looking one way and then blind side them. I watched the DVD with dir. commentary. They made this film in 2004, before WS's career went south and before JS was as big as he is now. The film was caught up in the legal mess that is David Bergstein and Ron Tutor. The dir admits the twist is not as strong as it could've been b/c when the film finally got released, Statham was the film's biggest star. When they were shooting, Phillippe and Snipes were bigger names.

But the whole point was to make you question where York is, build your thoughts towards him (Snipes - the bigger name) so you'd forget about Statham. First is York working with Snipes somehow and then when you realize they're the same guy, the very next scene Phillippe has a confrontation with him.

3) In a hostage situation, special circumstances are common. If the guy holding hostages asks to speak to someone, they'll usually oblige. that's the whole key to the plan. York asks for Conners, Swat defers to Conners, like the Capt said, it's rare, but happens. You're nit-picking here. If you were a Captain, and to prevent people from dying all you had to do was get a guy on the phone you'd do it. And when the Capt does comes to get him, Conners refuses unless he's reinstated and in charge. So they do it. The film was careful to go over every beat fairly detailed. I have caught the film on TV and there were several edits for time I noticed, so perhaps they "jumped" over things that are definitely in the film.

THE USUAL SUSPECTS gets all this acclaim for being the great twist ending film. That film completely does not work. It's cool while the music is happening and all the quick edits, but...(1) they show you Gabriel Byrne is shot by someone in the first minute of the film. And then entire film, even up to the first (fake) climax that Bryne is Soze. But we know he was shot. They show every single person on the boat killed, but never show Verbal - because he was hiding.

Only a retarded monkey didn't know Verbal Kint was Keyser Soze.

I enjoyed CHAOS for what it was. When I saw it several years ago, I enjoyed it. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I just think you're nit-picking a bit too much. I've seen cop films that stretch/break the rules a ton worse without at least acknowledging they're doing it like CHAOS. I think it was authentic. Like Phillippe grabbing the guy's helmet before he takes off. The "cool" thing to do, would've been to just ride the bike, sans helmet, right? Like what happens in almost every Bruckheimer film. Here, you're saying the Conners in charge moment was not authentic even though the script and characters acknowledge it. If they didn't acknowledge it, then you can have an issue, but they say it first. It's not fair to rip them for it.

Rip george Lucas for ending Star Wars ep3 the way he did... So the Empire will be searching the galaxy high and low for Darth's children... so we'll hide one with his uncle (and keep the name Skywalker - not too obvious) and the girl we'll hide with the one family in the universe that everyone knows cannot have children. We're supposed to believe now that Darth Vader can sense Obi Wan a few miles away in Star Wars 4, but Darth can't tell he's standing 2 inches from his daughter at the start of Ep4?

Those are script problems.

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In regards to the Star wars comments...

You're an idiot.... sorry..

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what is wrong with my Star Wars comments?

IMO, Lucas "lost it". It's why the new 3 films were bad. IMO they were sloppy.

Darth Vader KNOWS he fathered children. In the 20 or so years from the end of Episode 3 to the start of Episode 4, you don't think Darth would've - at least - checked the Uncle's house?

I realize it's fantasy, but it's sloppy and convenient.

Lucas went out of his way, in Episode 4, to have that moment where Darth could sense Obi Wan, but he can't sense Leia in front of him?

This is why STAR WARS, A NEW HOPE is a perfect film, but it's the ONLY perfect film. Lucas in episode 5 & 6 started losing it.

Instead of calling me a name, how about engage in a discussion? Explain to me, why I'm an idiot.

If you can't, why respond? You only make yourself look like an idiot.

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The reason Phillipe had to wear the motorcycle helmet was so they could use a stunt double, and you couldn't, as easily, notice it wasn't him. The close ups of Phillipe riding were hilarious.

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I don't doubt a stunt double was used, but there were several full body shots of Ryan riding the bike. So even with the helmet, he did perform some stunts. In fact, because he did wear a helmet, probably meant he did more stunts than you'd think. Why would the studio care if the stunt double got hurt? If Ryan was on the bike, I'm sure the studio would be less nervous if he was wearing a helmet.

I'd venture to say the Helmet on Ryan PROVES he did more of the riding than normal.

Most every studio WON'T allow their actors to perform dangerous stunts. For example, in DEATH RACE, statham NEVER once drove on the track. It was ALL GREEN SCREEN.

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