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It's difficult for me to distinguish the women characters in this movie?


I know there are tow doctors,a wife,a mistress,a secretary who help him to write down his words,and a classical beauty.The problem is that they all look similar to me.

What do you think?

BTW, I am an Asian. Some people in my contry also think it's difficult to distinguish.

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to whom like this movie I recommond strongly another movie/series:
<Ichi ritoru no namida> from Japan.

The movie of <Ichi ritoru no namida> is good but the series <<Ichi ritoru no namida> is better.

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I'm from Europe and even I was having trouble with telling who was who.

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Join the Club. I am French and I had the same problem, and to a certai8n extend, still do. You should remember that Director Schabel did it in purpose, as all these beautiful ladies represent "l'Eternel Feminin."

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I had the same problem. The only one that really stood apart from the rest was his ex. She's an incredible actress. She was really good in La Vie En Rose too.

I usually find it easier to recognize female characters than male characters, but it was hard in this one. We didn't have the extra clues of different hair styles and hair colors to help. In this film a lot of the women had long brown hair that they often pulled back from their faces.

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You can definitely make out the wife (she's blonde and has different face complexions than the other two, but the secretary and the mistress do look very much alike.

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I actually thought the wife and transcriber looked MOST alike; in fact I was always confusing them!



Just sayin'...

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I think that the speech therapist and the transcriber looked similar. In fact I couldn't figure out which woman he shared the fantasy dinner with. Help!


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I'm American and at times, I couldn't tell who was who.

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I think that the speech therapist and the transcriber looked similar. In fact I couldn't figure out which woman he shared the fantasy dinner with. Help!

... the transcriber, Claude

"obviously you're not a golfer" - The Dude

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I could tell who was who thoughout the whole film, but I can understand what you all mean.

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I thought the mistress looked a bit like an early Christie Brinkley - she was obviously a model he met through Elle - and the doctor who devised the alphabet for him to use looked a lot like Naomi Watts to me.

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from Egypt and same problem..!!

i even have an embarrassing question
did his gf ever appeared in this movie?! :$

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Let's repeat it again: Jean-Do was NOT married.

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French women must be, collectively, the most beautiful, desirable, alluring, feminine women that God ever placed upon this earth.

And with this sweeping statement you managed to offend the rest of them - and they're over 3 billion.

And since we're talking gender, I think this film misrepresented both women and men. I mean, each and every woman was sooo goooood, while each and every man was having 'problems': impatience, insensibility, bad jokes, clumsiness, etc. And the women were all milk and honey and none failed him. C'mon, gimme a break - women are humans too, you know?

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That statement just might have offended them all, French women included.

By saying that they can fail as any other human being, bro? That was precisely my point: ALL women in this film were impeccable, which is absurd and surreal. It's like those stupid war films where all Germans were bad and all their enemies were good. "Joyeux Noël" anyone?

You have a point about women being prone to more patience with patients (!) - but that's why all (most) nurses are women, eh? I didn't deny (or even address) that, I was just saying that women are not angels, as they are depicted in this film. Methinks, if at least one of them would have failed him, that would have made everything more credible - it's based on a true story, no? Plus, a realistically depicted outer world would have stayed in better contrast with Jean-Do's inner 'imaginary' world, right?

Just think of it: the black guy was a committed and loyal friend, wasn't he? If men were not ALL impatient and insensitive, then why should women be ALL patient and sensitive?

IMO the filmmaker was trying to make a forced point about women, by making them all look and behave alike.

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By the way, wam6571, are you a Kiwi? Bro? All nurses are women, eh? Let me offend nearly everybody now by saying ALL the best people come from New Zealand.

Maybe not ALL, but the world's fastest Indian was as Kiwi as can get. When fast is good, then faster is better, and fastest is best. If fastest is best, this seems to support your offensive statement.

With regard to all nurses being women, you have missed my (most) while focusing on my eh.

Yes, I am a Kiwi, sometimes.

HTH, bro.

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totally agree

who's the one who gave him the monte cristo book?
who's the one who brought him to lourdes and had sex with him?
who's the one who shared the oyster feast with him?
who's the one who answered inez's call?

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True eucalyptus9 in the beginning Jean-Do annoyingly corrects someone announcing Celine visiting as "She's not my wife, she is (just) the mother of my children". He is presented as a jerk (in sleevenotes setting the film up), maybe that is the whole point of the film: the jerk, paralysed now, receiving all the atention of the ones near to him. That was what he was in real life and what he remembers when he needs to look at himself writing the book.

We always excuse ppl with power and influence, but a jerk is a jerk and there is no need to behave like a jerk I think. Even if true love is confused with overly dependant and needing of that other, most ppl (psychological proven in tests) will turn hostile and indifferent and use emotional abuse. If he felt superior and independant, he could hace either ended it gracefully, or stopped and change his lifestyle and do the right thing. Or she could have disappeared.

I am a guy, and I experienced that the (bossy) woman dwells on the power, and not accepts that the powerplay is not there to enjoy anymore when her partner finally leaves. So this could be in reverse be the case here.
Celine could have left and disappeared, Jean-Do would have dealt with himself otherwise. Now he could do whatever he want, mama was waiting at home (what he didn't see as his home) and he could enjoy and express himself at work (at the office and different locations) and have an interesting and sexy private life (he rejected having a private life to share with Celine, jerk).

I don't think Celine is a saint just as I don't understand why women never seem to care about the fellow-female partner of the guy they are having an affair or sex&fun relation with? They are robbing the partners wife of the energy of intimacy.

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Just to clarify, the director took some wild liberties with that part of the story.
In the book, and in real life, his ex-partner (as they were never married) was barely around after he had his accident. She wasn't even in the country when he died and was already dating someone else. His lover was actually by his side the whole time. Sylvie de la Rochefoucault (Celine in the movie) overlooked the making of the movie and said nothing. So she definitely got her revenge there...

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"who's the one who gave him the monte cristo book?" Claude (actress Anne Consigny). She's the one sent by the publisher to transcribe the book.


"who's the one who brought him to lourdes and had sex with him?" Joséphine (actress Marina Hands). She was his girlfriend at the time.


"who's the one who shared the oyster feast with him?" Claude (actress Anne Consigny). She's the one sent by the publisher to transcribe the book.


"who's the one who answered inez's call?" Céline (actress Emmanuelle Seigner). The mother of his children.

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