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As falls Wichita, so falls Wichita Falls...?


So what does it mean. Its eating me up inside that i don't know.

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As Wichita falls, so falls Wichita Falls probably indicates causality. This happens then that happens. Much like the story.

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I don't know if this helps, but I think there's a Wichita Falls in Texas


"A few chemicals mixed together & flesh & blood & bone just fade away"

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I haven't seen this movie yet so I don't know how it's being referenced in the film but, As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls is the name of a Pat Metheny / Lyle Mays album (jazz) and the place can be found in Kansas City, Missouri.

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i'm not completely sure.. but i think its "As Wichita falls... so falls Wichita Falls" not "As falls Wichita, so falls Wichita Falls"

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I don't think it has anything to do with the album. Why would someone write that on the bathroom wall of a strip club?


"A few chemicals mixed together & flesh & blood & bone just fade away"

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I don't think it means anything- a non sequitor, written by Cusack on all kinds of *beep*

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And it's a long drive to that prison, baby, just you and me. No witnesses.

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Spoiler, I think.


I thought it was pretty cool how we found out that it was Cusack who wrote the quote all over town.

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I don't think that it was Cusack who wrote it. He just thought it was either *beep* up or coll (or, perhaps both) and decided to right all over town, too.

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Do you think it's certain that Cusack's character was the one writing it all along? I believe it but wonder why he read it out loud in the first scene (in which it appears), as if it was the first time he was ever seeing it.




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Wasn't Randy Quaid's character from Kansas City?

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yes there is a Wichita Falls in Texas, but it was Wichita, Kansas (the license plates gave it away)

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I wonder how many places around Wichita it was scrawled after this movie came out???

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What happens to the town of WICHITA in Kansas, so happens to the town of WICHITA FALLS in Texas.

I think it's just a play on the two towns names, that makes it sound deeper than it probably is.

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It's a simple play on words, more like a Kansas joke that Cusack's character wrote in the bathrooms all over town. Almost a parallel to his character, think about it... it's a silly play on words that can almost be thought of written by a poet. His character is lawyer (parallels a serious poet) who decides to rob his mob boss and lives a pretty screwed up life(the silly poem).

Come to think of it, if you saw that in a bathroom, the first thing that comes to your mind is... "wow that's different. there's no phone number for a good time. a poet wannabe".

Ok that maybe a stretch.

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As Wichita falls, so falls Wichita Falls. Wichita is falling (suffering from moral decay) as steadily as a waterfall falls.

That is what I got, at least, hehe, maybe I'm dead wrong.

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doesn't anybody watch the extras on dvds? they totally explain this statement there. it just refers to one thing happening after another, it's simple.

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Its a play on words.....a sentence going around in circles like the movie and the characters are going round in circles on many levels.
For example John Cusack wife cheating on him with his friend Oliver Pratt and making his life miserable......then Oliver Pratt marrying her and now she is probably cheating on him and making his life miserable.

Thornton thinks he is using Cusack and will get away with the money and Connie Nielsen.........Connie thinks she is using both Cusack and Thornton and will end up with the money in the end........Cusack thinks he will get half the money and wants Connie to come away with him.

The same is the case with the locations in the movie....the Striptease joint........the restaurant........Oliver Pratts house........the Striptease joint. you get the idea?

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Yes that and the meaning of meaning.

Nothing exists more beautifully than nothing.

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It's just a play on words. If you don't get it, you're looking too hard.

"The duality of man..."

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This and the story Cusack's character tells about his father are the key points of the film.

If the film had kept the original ending from the novel it would have been clear.

If they had kept the original ending from the novel this would also be a great film instead of just pretty good.

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What was the original ending? I've only seen this on HBO On Demand.

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OK, "As Wichita falls, so falls Wichita Falls" is just a play on an old saying, "As Rome falls, so falls the world." It's just minimalizing Wichita -- nothing's really going to be affected. It's like Charlie says in the movie, it doesn't matter what you do, in the end you get the same result. "It's futile to regret."

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I'm guessing that he dies in the end?

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It is... "As Wichita falls, so falls Wichita Falls."

As for its meaning, it's about the causality of things... something happening causing something else to happen, which causes something else to happen, etc.

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essentially all it's saying is that something is going to happen that won't be good, and when it does, it will have a knock on effect with something worse taking it's place...

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You guys have all never been in a bathroom of a strip joint or a dive bar, then? There's all kinds of sh!t scrawled on the walls. It really means nothing, except it sounds amusing, and probably more so when drunk.

And I don't see how anything that happens in Wichita KS has any effect on Wichita Falls TX. But what do I know about that region? I'd think that OKC would play more a part in the life of Wichita Falls.

Also, I don't think that Charlie wrote it all around town, just on Sidney's mother's camper. The first time we see it, when Charlie's pissing, he's reading it, and thinking about it, and doesn't look like he's just admiring his own work.

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