I just have to say...


After reading some of the comments on here, it is so surprising to me how many people actually go out of there way to be so negative, passive-aggressive, and demeaning towards each other. Actually, no, on second thought, it's not all that surprising, sadly. :( It just still affects me every time I think about it. I'm not here to judge anyone or their beliefs. Although, I AM human and I do sometimes judge when I have allowed someone to affect my emotions, I will admit that. But I honestly believe that should never be anyone's purpose in life.

All I will say on the matter is this:

I do not know where I came from, and I do not know where I'm going (when I say "me" I mean the conscious part of me that is thinking and typing this thought onto the computer screen; the part of me that will no longer be on this Earth when this body dies and decays-whether that be because it seizes to exist or not is not the point), if I do go anywhere, that is. But I do know that some of the history that I learned as "fact" as a child, is now said to be something else. And I do know that many of Science's theories are constantly being challenged and never proven to be exactly right. There seems to be new things coming up all the time that say, "well this person said that, and that's what we all thought to be true, and it sort of was, but actually there's this OTHER part we just found out about," which can change people's perspective enough to be able to find room for the newly discovered "Scientific fact," while not straying too far from their original arguments. Although, sometimes, when this happens people actually do have an "epiphany," and start reorganizing their thoughts completely and gain a whole NEW perspective. It happens ALL...THE...TIME.

I'm being very vague with what many of you might argue to be my "evidence," but I'm doing that on purpose because THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT. WE KNOW NOTHING OF THE HOWS AND WHYS OF THINGS; just that they are what they are. Oh believe me when I say that I can go out and find biased and/or open-minded articles that seem to be evidence of something, but really, it isn't. I can refine "evidence" to suit my arguments and find plot holes in anyone's counter-argument until my dying day, just as many other people here on Earth have gotten so skilled at doing.

That's a whole other topic, however, and so staying with my original point to this post: all I know is that I am here now. Whether or not I will ever NOT be here, I'm not even sure of that. I have NO IDEA what the future holds. But again, what I DO know, is that I AM HERE. NOW. I don't know how I got here, but I know I (this body) didn't put myself here. My parents put my body here, as their parents did for them. But they did not put my mind here, for if they had, my father could have easily made it to think like his so we could get along better throughout my childhood. But he didn't. I have my own mind that forms it's own opinions and thoughts based on what I know or what I THINK I know. And all we really "evidently" know is our past, personal experiences, that we have witnessed first hand and the fact that we are here now, in this moment. That is all we really know. :)

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I'm being very vague with what many of you might argue to be my "evidence," but I'm doing that on purpose because THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT. WE KNOW NOTHING OF THE HOWS AND WHYS OF THINGS; just that they are what they are.


That's complete bs. We actually know quite a lot.

That "knowing quite a lot" is what lead to you being able to proudly type on a keyboard and broadcast to the world about how proud you are of ignorance.

That "knowing quite a lot" lead to us making polio virtually non-existent.

That "knowing quite a lot" allows us to understand with a great deal of confidence what happened in the history of the universe down to the first fractions of a second after its origins.

That "knowing quite a lot" got us from being utterly clueless about the origins of species to being able to trace the whole animal and plant family back millions of years and see how all life is connected--and let us figure out the story of how life forms diverged.

So scientists have been wrong before. So what? You make absolute no point with this observation. If you think a particular claim is wrong or flawed, then spell out exactly what is wrong, with evidence and specifics. Otherwise you contribute nothing but meaningless chatter.

So what if there is a lot that we don't know? Everyone agrees on this. What sort of conclusion do you think this fact justifies? If you think the fact that we have much to learn justifies the utterly baseless metaphysical claims and outright lies of this film, you are beyond being wrong.

Again, if you think we are wrong to criticize the claims this film makes, then you need to go beyond the vague hand waving of your OP--get specific, or you contribute nothing.

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Dude, relax.

Couldn't you have said all of that to veronica4 without being demeaning?

Why are you so angry?

Any person with wisdom and equanimity can disagree with a person or film in a calm and objective manner, communicating their thoughts and counter points with compassion, or at least patience.

One must reflect on why they bring an element of anger to their interactions with others. One must reflect on why they feel the need to put others down, without provocation.

Reflect on your fears, for perhaps this film or veronic4's comment strikes a cord within you that goes back to your own personal issues.

I'm sure you are very intelligent, but how one acts reveals who is truly confident in what they know or believe in, and who is comfortable with others having different points of view.

Conversely, it is awfully childish - no matter how intelligent one is - to simply be an intellectual bully to people they have never met.

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Why are you so angry?


Why are you so whiney?

Conversely, it is awfully childish - no matter how intelligent one is - to simply be an intellectual bully to people they have never met.


Criticizing people who make stupid posts is not bullying. I note that you couldn't refute a single point I made. That pretty much says it all, doesn't it?

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Aw man...

I was hoping you'd have a change of heart and be all like: " yeah dude whoa I was wrong to talk down on folks! I'm sorry".

Haha only in the movies eh?

Take care and all the best to you.

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" yeah dude whoa I was wrong to talk down on folks! I'm sorry".


Never. Some people deserve it. We are not all equally intelligent and educated, and that is a fact.

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You can lead people to the facts but you can't give them the brain cells to understand them. 😩

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veronica4,

Thanks for your post :)

Thank you for your honesty and genuine thoughts. I feel like you don't try to make any big impressive statements to look smart (like lots of folks do) you are just musing on things that perhaps the movie elicited from you. That's totally cool.

Now that I look at this movie again after a few years, I admit it isn't the greatest, but it did make me ponder things that I didn't before.

I agree that life is crazy mysterious, and perhaps the unsettling thing about this movie is that deep down many people do have their minds made up about very profound questions, and hate that this film makes statements that do not coincide with their own viewpoints.

I don't agree with the movie, not on everything, but I am secure enough to not feel bothered or angry when other viewpoints are presented to me, even if they are much different from my own.

In traditions like Zen Buddhism, it is even taught that one must be comfortable having no attachments to any concepts, to any forms of knowledge or beliefs.
So the fact that you appear comfortable with the unknown and marvel at the wonder of being here and now is very wise indeed:)

Sorry if this seems like too much flattery, I am just being sincere, and I thought I would make a point to write these things so that there is some more positive human interaction on this message board.

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