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Did he really steel the suitcase?


This thought suddenly came into my mind: did he really steel the suitcase containing the Mafia's money?
Could it be that the two guys really stole the suitcase and then, when Titta is in front of the Mafia boss says that he stole it and while he's in the car thinks about what he could have done to recover the suitcase?
Two things could substain this theory: 1) Titta lifts the corpses of the two guys and puts them in his BMW without even get a stain of blood on his clothes. Not very realistic. 2) Recovering the suitcase is something he could have done but didn't. He thinks about that while he's in the car and sees a gun that he could use but doesn't.

I don't like this whole theory and I want to think that he really recoverd the suitcase and gave it to the Swiss couple, but this is something that I just can't get out of my mind.

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SPOILER !!!!


It is ambiguous.

If he did steal (or recover) the suitcase from the two gangsters we are led to believe that he did so in a James Bondish syle.

He manages to think very quickly after getting robbed by them and gets up the courage to sabotage the gangsters escape and kill them.

Does anyone notice, however, that he has already given the gangsters the car keys when robbed in the bedroom but then he conveniently has a spare set of keys to let himself into the car.

Did he always have two sets - I had not seen this before.

I thought that maybe this was a bit of a hint that he was imagining the sequence of events or was lying about them. Maybe I have got it wrong.

Anyway, why he would lying or fantasising about this sequence of events is the source of another thread but certainly there must be some doubt that he took on these 2 gangsters in this manner.

We see him he showing remarkable composure for a normal person with (seemingly) no history of violence - being merely a bag man for the Mob -and it seems rather self aggrandising view of events to maybe convince the Mob that he has the money when he was probably actually robbed.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm very interesting.

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It's not abnormal to have two sets of car keys. It seems fitting that this character would, as he's a smart and meticulous fellow. I didn't view it as ambiguous or even think about that possibility until this thread. But I suppose it is a possibility, just like there are a few other scenes in the movie concerning the barmaid that could have been in his mind. My view was more cut and clear, though: He was going to take the money from the thieves and run away with the barmaid, but when she was a no show, that was the straw that broke the insomniac camel's back. He really had no reason to keep it then or to keep going on in general, because at that point he realized that life without love isn't much of a life at all.

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It did not even occur to me that Titta could have fantasized about killing the men. This theory is consistent with one detail that bothered me: how could he have covered the car if he was hiding inside it? We see the hitmen uncovering the car right before Titta shoots them.

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Its not difficult to open the door with the cover on, you should try that.

Such an affecting movie, it grows on me

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Hey, I am sorry for the late reply but I have just seen the movie. This matter can be solved easily. He did have two sets of keys. Titta says to the robbers "The keys are in the top drawer of the desk." If you can remember he had his primary sets of keys in the safe. According to this, the robbers got the secondary keys from the top drawer of the desk.

SPOILERS!
Why no blood on his clothes? Easy. Apart from two specks of blood, there is none in the entire movie. Personally I think, it was good as it was, it is realistic.
In the car as they were heading to the "final destination" the guy sitting next to him was shot anyway, and the gun disappeared before he could even make up his mind. I suppose he would not have done a thing.

He gave the suitcase to the Swiss couple for good. He was told that he was "an evil person" - this way he redeemed himself. The old man said he wanted "an extraordinary death". Now, he was given the chance.

Sofia, who he was in love with; since she did not turn up at 3pm, he might have thought that she had abandoned him. By the way, the incident with the suitcase happened around that time when they were supposed to meet.
Titta was burnt out. He could not have show off his love towards the girl(Sofia).

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I think there's much more weight to the fact that it's imagined. Imagining this whole scenario would be very much in keeping with his character, acting like James Bond is very much against his character. It seems much more like the fantasies we all have where we wish we'd done something differently, been more brave, or pro-active in a given situation. Everyone wishes they were as cool as James Bond with hindsight. Also he says that he has a gun, but he's never fired it - he's not a violent man, and certainly not a murderer (contrast him to the mafioso who shoots the disabled kid in the back).

When he tells nitto that he has the case, the audience is as surprised as Nitto himself because we're thinking 'what the hell is he talking about? they nicked it, and his car keys and ran!', and then we see the events at the same time as he is sat before the guys. It very much gave me the impression that we were seeing his 'thoughts' rather than a flashback.

And think about what he says about bluffing when the bank are counting his money and he dupes them over the missing 100 grand. He carries through with absolute and utter dedication and belief. He is a master at bluffing, and this would be the biggest one of his life.

This leaves the question why? Perhaps the fact that he has 'never been loved in his life' but develops a relationship with the waitress which ultimately ends badly for him (he believes he has been stood up on his birthday), combined with the hatred of his existence, his spiralling addiction to heroin, and strained relationship with his children leads him to not want to live anymore. He knows what will happen, and perhaps he just goes willingly to his death, fantasising that the money he stole he has been able to give to the ex-hotelier and his wife who have such huge gambling debts.

I reckon that certainly in terms of lonliness, isolation, and shyness (the shy man notices everything, but is never himself noticed) this type of depression, imagination, fantasy cycle is extremely common and so that's how I perceived the whole bag thing. Truly awesome film!

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He isn't a particularly imaginative character. But if you go in that direction, you might as well say that he imagined the gunmen too. He made up the theft in order to give himself some time to get away with the bartender, but when she didn't show up he changed the story to get himself killed.

Personally I think the cousin's death, the unnecessary detail, and narrative structure make this theory unlikely. And thinking happily about the old people getting his imaginary money as he is dying is really too pathetic.

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I think there's much more weight to the fact that it's imagined. Imagining this whole scenario would be very much in keeping with his character, acting like James Bond is very much against his character. It seems much more like the fantasies we all have where we wish we'd done something differently, been more brave, or pro-active in a given situation. Everyone wishes they were as cool as James Bond with hindsight. Also he says that he has a gun, but he's never fired it - he's not a violent man, and certainly not a murderer (contrast him to the mafioso who shoots the disabled kid in the back).
The movie is called "The Consequences Of Love". I take that as real consequences, not imagined. The movie explores the life of a numb man who runs into something (love) that makes him tick again, which causes him to take more and more chances and eventually to take his life in his own hands again (even when it leads to death).

Recovering the suitcase from the two lowlife gangsters isn't the hardest or most surprising part, it's almost part of Titta's job description (make sure the suitcase arrives at the bank safely and securely), so I don't think Titta had to really think about it; being the loyal do-good employee that he was and determined never to mess things up again, it simply had to be done, and he probably had long before taken precautions and thought of contingency plans for such emergency cases. His actions were easy to justify, the two mafiosos deserved death anyway, hence execution of these actions was also very easy; he didn't have to think twice about it.

Keeping the suitcase however is a different story, and I think it's actually the main story -- the very event this story was leading up to: Titta slowly recognizing the unfairness of how the maffia had taken away his life all those years, and finally finding the *heart* to step up and make a stand against it. This is what the movie was about: Titta finally overcoming the weaknesses of his character.

And think about what he says about bluffing when the bank are counting his money and he dupes them over the missing 100 grand. He carries through with absolute and utter dedication and belief. He is a master at bluffing, and this would be the biggest one of his life.
What would have been the point of bluffing if he didn't actually steal the missing 100 grand? Wouldn't it make sense that every suitcase is locked when it arrives at Titta's apartment, and that Titta wouldn't have a key of it? What does that tell us about Titta's skills?

I think what the "bluffing scene" mostly tells us is not that Titta is good at lying, but that when it's necessary, Titta is willing to go through to the end and that he can pull off anything easily, effectively and elegantly, without his heart skipping a beat. In that light, smoothly killing two thieves (who are part of the organisation that stole his life) isn't much of a stretch.

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This is something I often wondered about. What an amazing film though! Never get tired of repeat viewings.

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A few years too late, but I'm surprised no one mentioned the quick shot of the elevator button being out when the cousins/robbers leave with the case. Yes, he stole the suitcase.

Fantastic film! Shame on me for taking 10 years to watch.

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