The Helgast Squad Machine Gun is based on the German WWII MG 34.
The Helgast Light Assult Rifle is modeled on the French FAMAS rifle. However it does not have a shotgun attached.
The ISA Assult rifle is maybe based on a composite of the British SA80 and M16's M203 Grenade Launcher.
The South African Milkor MGL Mk1 six round 40mm grenade launcher makes its appearance as the the grenade launcher.
Any Questions??? Any Ideas???
This is as close as it gets
The helgast light machine gun: is a composite or and german MG 42 and a US M60
The helgast machine pistol: is modeled very closely to the german H&K MP7 PDW
The helgast Sub Machine Gun: some parts do look like the FAMAS but looks more like the belgium FN P90 with a shotgun added (there are some shotguns on the US M16 and M4 but not on the P90)
The ISA Pistol: looks like a cross between a german P99 and a US MR desert eagle .45 and an Austian Steyr M
The helgast "high ex cannon": a US M99? with the rounds of Croatia's RT-20???
Rico's chain gun: "heck your guess is as good as mine!" (uses the same connecting arm as a "steady cam" used in movies) "i guess its heavy, it sure looks like it!"
The ISA missle lancher: looks dead on like the swedish AT4 RPG
Luger's silenced sub machine gun: looks dead on like the swedish B&T MP9 with the scope and suppressor mounted on
The helgast missle lancher: "what ever it is i am sure any military would love to get there hands on it!"
The helgast battle pistol/grenade gun: mix of the german HK69 and some sort of flare gun
The ISA shotgun: a white colored SPAS 12
The ISA Sniper rifle: "hmm i'm stumped i just don't know"
The Helgast Laser designator: "there is something like that used for laser guided bombs dropped from jets but it's not that compact"
Your right about the grenade launcher and the ISA rifle
Hope this helped Shady.
Thanks Danofcanada.
Yes the Helghast LMG is based on the MG 34/42. But it sounds like the M60. However I don’t think the M60 takes drum type magazines. (???)
I have to disagree that the Helghast MP looks like the HK MP-7 PDW. In size and shape they are very dissimilar.
The Helghast Assault Rifle is closer to the FAMAS F1 version (not the G2 Version). The FAMAS can have an under slung grenade launcher attached so it’s plausible that the Helghast Assault Rifle is based on that concept.
It could not have been modelled on the FN P90. (Look at the length of the barrel and position of pistol grip) plus the P90’s magazine is a box type magazine that goes ONTOP of the barrel. The Helghast Assault Rifle uses a drum type magazine in the bullpup configuration.
I would say you are right about the pistol.
True the Squad Cannon looks like the Croatian RT-20. But look at the U.S Barret M90/ M95/ M99 Anti materiel rifles. Or better yet the South African Mechem NTW-20. Unfortunately all the above use box magazines and we know the Helghan Squad Cannon uses a rotary cylinder system.
Rico's chain gun??? A minimi. But with rocket launcher? Let’s leave this to the imagination.
The ISA missile launcher: “looks dead on like the Swedish AT4 RPG”. Yes but the AT4 is s single shot disposable launcher with no pistol grip. If anything what about the Swedish Carl-Gustaf M3!!!??? It’s multishot and with scope and a pistol grip.
True the B + T MP 9 submachine gun, wit B + T silencer (suppressor) and scope is the closest thing that looks like the Shadow Marshal (Luger’s) SMG.
However in the B+T MP 9, the magazine is inserted into the pistol grip. But the Shadow Marshal SMG is a bullpup design with the magazine inserted behind the pistol grip.
Helghast Missile launcher? Ditto here. But I have seen a system where three Russian RPG -7’s were coupled together. Could have been a one of.
Agree with the shotgun evaluation.
The sniper rifle is bullpup type. Have a look at the Russian SVU and SVU-A which is a bullpup version of the Druganov. It even has the muzzle device like the Killzone rifle and a scope.
Nice discussion NO??? Let me know what you think. Comments?
Keep in mind Shady i whent by appreance while i was researching this, calibers and such are purely guess work for fictional weapons, but from what i have seen in terms of origins of these weapons almost all of them are European and so is the team that made the game.
I did like the look of the polymer ammo drums with the spiraling ammo inside, the G6 and the P90 use polymer mags too, and the ammo mags from the ISA assault rifle were taped together like soldiers did with the M16 in vietnam.
There are all good looking weapons that look like they would be great in battle but current weapons serve just as good a purpose.
Unlike in HALO where all the weapons just fit into a category or type of weapon these are based on the real ones which to me makes it more realistic.
Was fun looking into the origins of these weapons.
The ISA Assault Rifles were based on the LR300.
http://www.tacopsgear.com/images/lr300w37mm2.jpg
I think the ISA assault rifle looks most like the Enfield L85A1 (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as22-e.htm) if it had an integral grenade launcher.
The Heilgast rifle is a tricky one, because it is a bullpup with a helical magazine that loads from underneath the stock. There exist several SMG's with a helical magazine but most of the ones I'm aware of load from the top (like the Calico series). The PP-19 Bizon (http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg08-e.htm) loads from the bottom but the magazine is in front of the trigger guard, which actually makes it a lot like a much bigger version of the Heilgast sidearm pistol. In any case, I don't know of any bull pup rifles or machine guns with a helical magazine. Furthermore, the rounds that the Heilgast rifle fires seem to be necked like a rifle cartrige but I don't know of any helical magazines that accept rifle rounds. I don't know of any rifle or submachine gun that has an integral shotgun, but most rifles (no submachine guns) may accept the Remmington 870MCS (http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh17-e.htm).
Luger's gun (and I was really excited when I discovered this) is deffinately the Chinese Type 05 5.8mm silenced sub-machine gun (http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg75-e.htm). The picture speaks for itself.
For the ISA sidearm pistol I'm going to have to go with the MR/IMI Desert Eagle VII. The major difference, though, is that even in .357mag the DE only holds 9 rounds (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg16-e.htm).
- Chris
Talk about bringing up an old post, but i'll reply.
Well Chris,
ISA Rifle: Major Zero had it better then any of us just bullpup that baby and there you go.
Helgast Rifle: Shady has it right with the FAMAS F1 as a base, the game makers made the rest since you end up using this gun ALOT in the game. (Heard lately of a concept of this thing in R&D in Europe maybe in germany now that sounds freaking deadly and scary). Also there are underbarrel shotguns on the M16 and M4, Look it up.
Luger's Gun: Well ain't that picture perfect.
ISA Pistol: I was right for this one, Saw a picatinny rail hand gun a while back too bad i don't remember the origin.
The underbarrel shotgun for the m16 and m4 is the xm-26lss. It is magazine fed whereas the helgast rifle holds only one shot like the one I mentioned (which was the underbarrel shotgun for the m16 and m4 until the xm-26 came around).
FWIW, the Desert Eagle has never been made in .45acp. It has been made in .357mag, .41mag, .44mag, .44cor bon, and .50ae. The baby eagle is made in .45acp but it looks nothing like the gun in the game.
After looking at it again, I'm going to have to concede that Major Zero is right about the ISA rifle.
- Chris
danofcanada i thought this was settled ages ago! looks like we've been beat. hats of to Zero for the photo...very close but not a bullpup though. Vavent played the game in ages so can say much more.
shareI've always thought the handgun used by the ISA (atleast in the battlefield mode) was based off the ugly Bren-Ten due to the telltail "hump" on the rear of the slide and the single-stack magazine/modest capacity.
I would definitely believe it to be more styled after the Fortis Bren-Ten than the Magnum Research Deagle.
Luger's gun (and I was really excited when I discovered this) is deffinately the Chinese Type 05 5.8mm silenced sub-machine gun (http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg75-e.htm). The picture speaks for itself.
The ISA rocket launcher is most definitely the Mark 153 SMAW rocket launcher. Pics here prove it: http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl26-e.htm
sharethis thread stinks of geek.
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