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Do you believe in werewolves?


Do you?

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i believe there are many things out there, that people assume cant possibly be true and are just stories. but what gets me is how did all the stories start. arewolves, vampires ect everyones heard the stores and they had to come from somewere. so my answer to your question is i belive there is something or some things out there whatever thay are.

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A lot of people believe that vampires came about because of a disease where a person cannot come in contact with any sunlight because their skin almost literally burns. I have always assumed that werewolves were sort of adapted the same way. But, then again, who am I to say that there aren't supernatural things like that in the world? How ignorant would we have to be to rule out any possibility of something like werewolves or vampires?

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Very true.

Werewolves and anything supernatural (even religion is considered to me in this way. But let us not get into this!) cannot be proved.. but because of this, they can neither be disproved either.

Which is why I choose to believe in werewolves and vampires. Perhaps one day they'll show themselves.

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I don't think it's fair to say people who don't believe in werewolves or vampires are "ignorant", they have logical reasons to not believe so.

Your arguments are partly true; there's no saying that some supernatural beings like vampires or werewolfs don't exist somewhere in the world.

However, it CAN be proved that it is NOT possible for a perfectly normal human being to turn into a vampire/werewolf.

Whether or not someone believes in ghosts would be a different story because there's nothing about ghosts that can be completely disproved scientifically. But werewolfs/vampires are a different story. It's possible that something similar to them exist but not possibly the exact same as the stories portray them.

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It's nice to find...people...who are as openly contemplative as you and the authors of the previous posts.

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With that logic, you must believes in fairies, talking goldfish, and a flying toilet bowl.

A dangerous way to think.

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what is so dangerous about having an open mind :)

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It's one thing to have an open mind, it's another to have it open so wide that everything in there falls right out. Magical thinking can have its place in the human psyche, but trying to live in the fringes usually precludes a healthy ability to live in reality. Reality can be scary, but being functionally sane is worth the price of admission.

Plus, anyone who votes has a responsibility to keep at least one foot somewhere near the planet.



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I hope you say the same thing to all those fundamentalist god lovers out there. Why is it perfectly acceptable to believe in some man in the sky and not acceptable to believe in Vampires or Werewolves? Neither can be proved so this baffles me that one is considered religion and the other is considered flights of fanciful fancy.

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How ignorant would we have to be to rule out any possibility of something like werewolves or vampires?


It's not ignorant to assume something doesn't exist because there's no proof that suggests otherwise. That's like saying people are ignorant for believing there's such thing as bigfoot or the lochness monster.

I know I'm a vampire, Snookie.

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I totally agree with u spinx101. I also thought the stories had to come from somewhere

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Well, I believe in possibilities, and if there's possibilities, you never know if there'll be something out there that may be real even though it seems like it isn't-like a werewolf for example. In Translyania, they tell supernatural tales based off experience, and if Dracula could be real, so could be a vampire, werewolf, or whatever, we just hadn't came across one yet.

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I didn't want to make this public knowledge, I used to be a werewolf but I'm alright nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwww !!


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On a more serious note, this may or may not be a load of old moonlight but many years ago, as a boy in Scotland, I was introduced to an old author of Highland stories - Struan Robertson, mainly accounts of supernatural happenings and old folk legends actually happening etc.

He handed me one of his old stories which told of an event in his own youth, the evidence of which he saw with his own eyes. In the mountains of North Perthshire, in the Highlands of Scotland, about the turn of the old century, a shepherd had been roaming the hills all day and as it was getting dark and he wasn't near his croft yet, he decided it was too cold to sleep out on the hill and instead he would make for an old stone bothy, a small stone, peat-thatched hut way in the hills, sometimes used by shepherds and gamekeepers and their hunting parties.

When he reached the bothy in the moonlight, it was blacked out and deserted. He tried the door but it was stuck fast and he could not get in. Even shouldering the door had no effect. He then tried a window and by breaking one small pane, was able to unlock it and slid it open. He put his first leg through the window gap and was just crouching down to get his head and body through when all of a sudden, he felt a strong pair of hands grab his leg ! It was a very strong grip and just then, he felt a searing pain and shouted out as his leg got bitten ! He lashed out with his leg as hard as he could and with all his might, pulled himslef out of the window. Then he ran from the bothy as fast as his injured leg would let him. Luckily. he was not followed !

Some time after, when Struan Robertson, as a young man, interviewed the shepherd about the attack, the shepherd showed him his healed leg. It bore the ugly scars of a large bite mark, not a human bite-pattern, but more like a dog-style bite, but the pattern being larger than a dog - maybe like a wolf ? But how can that be ? Wolves became extinct in Scotland in the 17th Century ! Scottish zoos did not keep wolves at that time and there were no game parks in existence at that time - so no escaped wolf ! And yet the bite mark was like a very large dog - much bigger than a sheepdog and then there were the human hands which grabbed his leg.

A nice piece of folklore ? or is there more to the tale ?

Scotland has many mysterious stories waiting to be explored, well-known and not so well known. My Highland father told me some of these stories - wouldn't it be great if they're really true ?

One such story my father recounted, not about wolves, was during his childhood. His father was a gamekeeper on the Ronachan Estate, Clachan, Kintyre, Argyll. A nearby old castle tower, belonging to a local chieftain/laird, the MacDonalds of Largie, was reputed to have an resident elf-like creature, a brownie. A famous local story told how a servant in the castle was laying table in the dining hall for a banquet. She had just put out all the best silver, meticulously laid out in the best traditions of multi-course culinary etiquette, on the big polished table and had gone next door to the china pantry. When she came back into the dining hall, her jaw dropped. All the silver was on the carpetted floor, laid out in a different pattern to that the maid had used. The maid, muttering under her breath at what was obviously some ill-timed practical joke, painstakingly laid out all the silver on the table again, in the correct order - again ! Then off she went.

When she came back, all the silver was on the floor - again !!! and laid out in the other pattern - again !!! Once more, the dutiful maid did the needful and went out - but this time, she just went outside a few moments and rushed back to catch the culprit. But in the seconds she had been out of the room, the cutlery was back on the floor in the other layout. Now completely spooked, the maid thought there was some supernatural force at work and so she laid out the table one more time, but this time, used the cutlery layout from the floor.

When she returned, the cutlery was still on the table and so it remained. The suspected culprit ? A helpful but strong-minded brownie ! A sort of Highland Dobbie (the Harry Potter house-elf) except brownies are invisible to normal humans, are a lot more independent, they choose you and stay as long as you feed them and see them okay.











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" but what gets me is how did all the stories start. arewolves, vampires ect everyones heard the stores and they had to come from somewere."


yeah, it's called the human imagination. are you kidding me?

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While i do not believe in vampires or werewolves, i like to read about the various legends. I believe in things like bigfoot, because a giant ape is a zoological possibility.

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one that lives for centuries and nobody can ever seem to catch or get a good photograph of? bigfoot is a hoax. if there was any truth to it you know the government would capture it in a week so it could study it.

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Badgers are all over the UK, but i've never seen one in the wild. Does that mean they don't exist?

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but youve seen photos of them right? clear, natural photos? unlike the ones of "bigfoot"? there are legions of photos to be found of badgers. theres like what - 1 or 2 of "bigfoot"? and theyre very hazy and blurry. its not the same thing at all and you know it.

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Absence of proof is not proof of absence. I know i sound like some nut, but i truly believe bigfoot, sasquatch, and similar beasts exist. Look at the patterson film. Its authenticity is debated, but i still believe it to be genuine. Look at the borneon bay cat. As far as i know, only one picture of the animal exists. There is the kting voar, a type of antelope, well-known to the people of the region where it lives. All we have is sets of its horns, no photo exists.

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My mistake, there's more than one picture of the bay cat. One site even claimed no photos existed at all.

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well how do you explain why there are no fossil records or remains of any type of ape in the americas? why has their existence only been observed in other parts of the world? if he's the last of his kind, wouldnt you think they would have found at least a shred of evidence of his species' existence by now? i think that is a little more convincing than some blurry videos and pictures.

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They collected hair samples. They were identified as mammalian, but otherwise unknown. They could be from anything, admittedly. True, no ape remains have been found in the americas, but prehistoric monkey remains have been found in several parts of south america. Parts of dead animals aren't always easy to find. Also, de loys ape was never conclusively proven to be fake. And people saying they have encountered bigfoot give really detailed accounts about what they saw, rather than saying "a huge hairy monster, at least 8ft tall". And let's not forget, the native americans spoke of sasquatch, a canadian or northern version of bigfoot. That sounds similar to people in africa describing gorillas to white explorers for the first time.

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The Patterson film has been completely debunked. It was a hoax. But never mind that. Sure absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. But absence of evidence is not evidence of presence! Absence of evidence is just that - nothing. That silly argument would "prove" hobbits are living in your back yard!

For a viable population of huge ape-like creatures to exist and account for so many sightings as Bigfoot we would expect to find remains of dead ones somewhere, sometime. They would die from disease or heart-attacks or snakebites, etc., just like any other animal and of course they would leave a trace of bones. Fossil evidence does not support such a creature either. There are now so many humans all over the place that without solid evidence we cannot honestly say Bigfoot exists.

Those hair samples that were found - in each case they were not examined by actual scientists. There is not a single case of a hair sample that cannot be explained by normal animals other than Bigfoot. Please furnish ONE example of a mysterious hair sample that cannot be explained by known animals!

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Who knows? Lycanthropes (animal shape shifters) and vampires just might exist. Maybe we just do not see them too often, that's all.

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I heard that one of the things that started the stories about werewolves was the Vikings that would rade villages in the night...dressed in heavy fun from head to toe,and totaly drunk. Doing all sorts of weird things like biting people and stuff,you know, cause they're drunk and all. And then you never know...the people who they invaded might have been drunk instead...and then when they were sober again told stories of big hairy man like creatures that came into their homes at night...and elaborating on it until the stories became frigtening tales of supernatural monsters as they were passed down through time. And then there were these Roman military people who would dress up in wolf pellets(with the head and all) and lead war rades and stuff. But I'm not saying I don't beleive in them and all. You never know what might still be in some of the (however sparce) unclaimed wilderness out there. I for one will never NOT beleive they don't exist. Becasue again, you never know...

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I believe that there are ways in which beings like "werewolves" can actually exist in this realm.

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I don't. People who mention werewolf sightings today usually describe a biped, because that's what the movies show. In the original legends, the werewolf is simply a man or woman who changes into a wolf, not a half-human bipedal killer monster.

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i believe in werewolves,vampires, dragons, whatever...there is nothing to say they don't exist. no proof!!! till there is proof that they are not real, then you can't prove anything...

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There is plenty of proof they don't exist. Common sense, for example. The fact that the dead don't rise. The fact that ingestion of large quantities of blood will cause vomitting. The fact that a man cannot physically change into an animal. As for the dragon, it's assumed that the name came from the latin draco, "giant serpent", and referred to embellished accounts of the indian python. The wings, fire, and so on were later additions to the legends.

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...Which should make me happily inclined to help you out if and when you get attacked by something that you thought could only ever exist in your nightmares.

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Mr. thomas-4something, yes to much blood does cause "people" to throw up, but do you really think a werewolf would be similar to a human. i don't think so. werewolves (half people and half wolf) would not throw up because of their animal side. and people can change into animals, our bones and animal bones are sort of similar. so there still is no proof they don't exist!!!!! and about the dragons how do you explain how cultures all over the world have similar dragon myths, yet these people made no contact with other cultures. things beyond the regular realm do exist...you just can't come to terms with it!!! werewolves do exist!!!

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Okay, first of all, i didn't imply blood would make a werewolf throw up. I was talking about humans, as you said vampires also existed. Why are you under the impression that humans can change into animals, based on similarities in bones? And, yes, different cultures have dragon myths, but that doesn't mean anything. Several different cultures also share "giant bird" legends. Are you claiming they're all true? You really aren't making much sense, kid.

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Your reasoning is very flawed and biased. You claim we can't say werewolves don't exist because we can't prove it. But you say werewolves do exist (with exclamation marks!!!) even though you cannot prove it. So, we can't say something we can't prove, but you can. Right?

Well, stop being a hypocrite who has one standard for others and another for yourself.

Besides, it is impossible to prove something does not exist. Think about it. But that does not mean that everything that actually does not exist does exist. Think of something you really believe does not exist, something you KNOW does not exist. Then try to prove it does not exist. You will fail. But that does not mean you are wrong.

You need to concentrate on what you can prove. If there are actually werewolves then you should be able to prove it. The burden of proof is on you if you want to claim such things. If you cannot produce the evidence or proof then everyone is entitled to regard your opinion as ignorant and wrong.

Similar cultures do indeed have similar stories and myths. Can you prove they did not have common contact at some time in their past? No, I didn't think so. But by your reasoning I could claim all ancient cultures were once linked and shared the same stories, and you would not be able to prove me wrong, would you?

I don't believe ancient cultures all had a common interaction by the way. I believe they all had one thing in common - their humanity. Human psychology is shared by all of us and often different cultures will come up with similar myths because the underlying intellectual bedrock and psychology of those cultures is the same. As humans we all fear death, for example. Much myth surrounds this issue. Humans have common fears of predators like wolves, for example, so similar stories about werewolves could evolve in completely seperate cultures.

I am sorry, but without physical evidence of dragons you would be naive to believe ancient mythology is reflective of reality on this point. Also, the dragon myths are not common over all cultures and the ones that do exist are not similar. Western dragons are like fire breathing dinosaurs, while Eastern dragons are like large snakes. Very different mythological creatures.

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darkphoenix_bem said:
> I believe that there are ways in which beings like
> "werewolves" can actually exist in this realm.

Ways? Realm? "Werewolves"? Please elaborate. Until then I will believe you are a complete "idiot". In this realm.

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You might as well believe in goblins, fairies, hobbits, ents, unicorns, dragons, or whatever, if you believe in werewolves. Sure the stories came from somewhere - people's imaginations! Take a human, cross it with a wolf or other animal, and you get... a centaur - half man half horse - just like in Harry Potter.

Without good evidence for animals such as werewolves there is no good reason to believe in them. People make stuff up. To believe in werewolves just because there are stories about them is silly. Do you believe in unicorns? Surely the story had to come from somewhere? What about Atlas who holds the world on his godly shoulders? What about the World Snake that devours its own tail and surrounds the earth?

Don't be duped by Hollywood children stories. Werewolves are just made up.

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I do believe goblins, fairies, hobbits,unicorns, dragons, or whatever. And that includes werewolves and vampires. And just fricking forget Harry Potter, people have to stop compairing everything from myth to it. Also if you can't prove something does not exist and you can't prove it does, then who is to say it does or does not exist. I BELIEVE they all do, YOU DON'T have to believe they do, but the world would seem unreal without somethings seeming unreal. so i guess i am sorry for my past text. so i am truly sorry for pissing whoever i pissed off, i guess by telling them what to believe...i am sorry!

so try this: I BELIEVE in werewolves, vampires, fairies, unicorns, dragons, and whatever else...YOU DON'T have to believe if you don't want to ...i am NOT telling you what to believe so therefore you can't tell me what to believe or what not to believe. i can have my own opinion of the world can't i?

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(for Ramnagel)
Above all personal opinions and views, I believe (simply for the sake of believing) that no one person has the right to instruct others what to believe in.
Just because somebody deems something as a fact and you don't ABSOLUTELY doesn't give you the right to tell them that it isn't true. Everyone has the right to free faiths, because (and I quote) "most people will never know anything beyond what they see with their own two eyes."
I'm not telling you what to believe and I'm not going to try to, but it is SO rude and close-minded to trash the opinions of others...





If only closed minds came with closed mouths...

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(for darkphoenix_bem, luna_rose36910, and the rest of the "werewolf" believers)

I have the right (as anybody does) in this forum to deliver my opinion even if it is that someone else is deluded and irrational. And happily, you cannot stop me. If my opinions were not backed up by the entire body of scientific zoological knowledge and the result of centuries of people studying the kinds of animals that actually do populate this planet, then I would be close-minded. But because my opinion is scientifically informed and because I do not dismiss belief in fairy-tale creatures without good reason, I am not close-minded.

People who believe in myths remind me that to have an open mind is a great quality only if it is not so open that your brains fall out.

Sure, people may believe what they believe - but if they cannot take a little bit of criticism from someone else without ranting on (don't you just LOVE capital letters?) about closed minds and closed mouths then they are insecure in their position and probably not well educated.

Believe in fairies if you want to (snigger...) - but don't expect educated and intelligent people not to laugh at you or ridicule your opinions. Hitler had opinions about the Jews, too, but no civilized person would respect his opinions. Not all opinions are created equal: some opinions are just not worth having or respecting.

If anybody who believes in fairy tales actually had some evidence then maybe someone would take them seriously. Until then, even my invisible friend will laugh at them and pour derision upon their silly opinions. Get an education - you are an embarrassment to your country. (Probably American, right? It shows.)

And who says, "and I quote..." and then allegedly quotes without giving the reference? (I say allegedly because how am I expected to check that the quote is genuine?) I mean, do you realize how stupid that is? The point of quoting someone is to give your argument some authoritative weight, some respectability. But if you don't say whom you are quoting because you are too lazy to look it up, you defeat the entire point of "quoting" someone! If you can't be bothered to reference your source, you just fuel the fires of derision that are being built up in your honour. And learn to write with some style. I mean, you write like a nine year old! Don't people go to school anymore?!

Actually, saying something like "no one person has the right to instruct others what to believe in" is also just silly. Sure, it sounds good and "fair" as long as you don't think about it, but just imagine if it were true - how would teachers ever be able to teach anyone? Of course people have the right to instruct others! Especially when the others are ignorant. It is called getting an education.

Worthwhile people can admit when they are wrong and can learn from their mistakes. You are now faced with a golden opportunity to improve yourself. Take it. Read some books on biology and genetics, or general science. I recommend anything by Richard Dawkins, especially "Unweaving The Rainbow" and "The Blind Watchmaker". Ernst Mayr's "What Evolution Is" is also excellent as is anything by E. O. Wilson. Just because your school education failed you it does not mean you cannot teach yourself something.

Also, learn to use paragraphs constructively. They allow you to punctuate your points, arrange your thoughts, and they make for easier reading of your posts.

This especially for luna_rose36910: "the world would seem unreal without somethings seeming unreal" Do you realize what complete nonsense that is (apart from the misspelling)? If this is your best argument in favour of goblins existing then you have no chance of impressing anyone with your beliefs. I mean, really. Goblins? You do realize that even the fringe zoologists out there, the xenobiologists, etc. don't believe in goblins? Goblins are genuinely mythical creatures, like Pegasus the winged horse. To profess belief in goblins "and whatever else" is to shout out to the world that you are ignorant. Sorry, but if the shoe fits...

You really need to read a bit of philosophy to train your mind to think properly. (Try A. C. Grayling.) Just because one cannot absolutely prove or disprove something does not mean one cannot decide which of various propositions are probable and which are not. A rational person must conclude that goblins do not exist based on current biological and historical knowledge. That does not mean they do not remain open to the possibility that new evidence may change their minds about it but it does mean they will remain healthily sceptical of obviously fantastic claims until they are given better reasons and evidence to believe in them than they have not to believe in them.

Do you really believe in horses with wings or that are half-human? Do you really believe there are (or once were) women with snakes growing out of their head? That if you looked at one of these women you would turn to stone? (How would that work, by the way?) Do you believe in basilisks – small reptilian creatures whose gaze is deadly – merely looking at one is fatal? Surely you disbelieve in *something* that appears in the annals of human mythology? If so, then where do you draw the line between what you believe and what you don't? Would you consider "evidence", "modern biology", or "rational thought" perhaps? Because if you truly understand why it is that you do not believe in some or other fairy-tale creature, then you will understand why I do not believe in goblins and werewolves.

If I just made up some fantastic creature on the spot and described it to you – would you believe it existed? Because that is exactly what you are doing when you say you believe in goblins. Why is the possibility that these creatures actually don’t exist so repugnant to you? Do you really think the world would make more sense if they did exist?

Aren’t the animals that do exist beautiful and interesting enough for you? Watch a documentary on deep-sea creatures sometime and you will find that there are real fantastic creatures in the world for you to wonder at. Think vampire bats not vampires. Did you know that there were frogs that swallowed their fertilized eggs and raised their tadpoles in their stomachs and finally gave birth to the little frogs through their mouths? These two species of frog no longer exist – they have recently become extinct through the industrial action of humans.

You should worry about the rich animal heritage we can actually enjoy (and save) instead of believing in mythical creatures for which there is no evidence. Real animals are so much more interesting and beautiful than any we humans can make up, and they actually need our help and consideration.

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My god man, you are one f'ing prick ! I understand that your entitled to your own opinion, but you've just given essays after essays, of your most BORING views on this thread..If people want to believe in mythological creatures, it their choice and their not alone in their opinions. While you've given some decent points, you've also written some absolute *beep* ! Seriously man, get a life :)

Hey there, made you look at my signature - didn't I ? . . :-)

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taharat71, "their not alone"? Really, you cannot spell "they're"?

And no, those who believe werewolves exist are not alone in their opinions. So what? Their beliefs are still idiotic and uninformed.

What spineless sort of creature are you that, despite acknowledging that these people mistake mythology for reality, you are not capable of telling them they are talking nonsense? Why are you seemingly more interested in defending those you classify as deluded (believing mythological creatures exist) than the truth?

Pathetic.

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(for luna_rose36910)

Do you realize that believing in all the mythological creatures means that you do not believe in myths at all? I mean, if your position were actually true then we would have no myths – it would all just be true stories. Do you realize just what a ridiculous position that is? We know people make stories up if only to scare children into being obedient – to seriously suggest that historically humans have never made up creatures like the various magical beasts of mythology is absolutely laughable!

Humankind has never made up a mythical creature. Ever. All those stories about goblins, fairies, bogeymen, abominable snowmen, vampires, sprites, wood nymphs, werewolves, witches on broomsticks, toadstool fairies, fire-breathing dragons, etc. – they are all absolutely true and were not inspired by dreams or fear of the dark or just plain imagination or poorly understood examples of real creatures or their discovered remains (rhino or narwhal = unicorn, dugong = mermaid, giant squid = kraken, etc.). People are incapable of making stuff up and never use their dreams to inspire their stories or their epic poetry. Myths do not exist. All stories are true. Yeah, right.

But if some stories are genuine myths, which magical creatures do you choose to believe in and which not? How do you decide between believing in goblins but not mermaids, and so on? Because, I can assure you, any argument in favour of goblins being real will work just fine for “proving” the existence of any of the other magical creatures in mythology, or even ones that you just think up yourself. Which leaves you in the position of having to deny the existence of the whole of human mythology again. Oops. How embarrassing.

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I can tell that you like to use pretty words as a pitiful form of intimidation. Unfortunately for you, your mind is so closed that you refuse to accept any theory or opinion that opposes your utterly (and I can find no other word that suits it best but this:) fake argumentative points.
Obviously you're not intelligent enough to open your mind to the opinions of others and you're not polite enough to humor the "believers" (or so you call them), so I'll not waste more of my time acknowlegding your insufferable preachings.

See you in hell.

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(for darkphoenix_bem)

Woah! I did not realize “pretty” words intimidated you so much. That certainly was not my intention – I just use what I consider normal words appropriate to the task at hand (kicking your sorry ass all over the place in this case). It is called having a decent vocabulary. And what does “you like to use pretty words as a pitiful form of intimidation” mean? Why on earth would I like to use words as a “pitiful” form of intimidation? Wouldn’t I rather like to use words as a form of intimidation but which you consider pitiful? Your words belie the fact that your brain is not thinking clearly, which is why the words you write are so messed up.

You little hypocrite. I see you enjoy calling yourself open-minded and intelligent while accusing people who disagree with you as closed-minded and stupid. Gee, now there's a good argument! Just call them closed-minded and stupid and you don't have to back up any of your points. Pure genius!

What an irony that you suffer so badly from your own accusations and cannot even see it. I provided reasons and evidence for my conclusions - clearly something you are incapable of doing. Your "points" are so bad there IS no evidence to back them up! So, to be fair, you really had no chance on that score.

You give me the feeling that all the evidence and logical reasoning in the world would not convince you, perhaps only because you are too small a person to admit when you are wrong and you are now committed to a stance, while I would change my mind and admit I am wrong in an instant if furnished with a single hair that is indisputably from a werewolf. That is because my beliefs in this matter are evidence-based, not faith-based.

I mean, just consider the reality of a werewolf: how could the body just morph shape? How could a pelt grow from nothing in seconds and disappear again? Does the were-hair sprout like a time-lapsed film or Hollywood special effect? Does it get sucked back into the skin like spaghetti into a hungry Italian when the werewolf changes back? What possible biological mechanism could account for bones shifting, muscles strengthening, ligaments tearing and re-aligning within moments? Where do all the long werewolf fangs go when they change back? Could they just instantly dissolve into nothing so as not to be picked up by a dentist's x-rays and so prevent the werewolf's secret identity from being discovered? *howls with laughter*

You would have to reject all known physiology and cell biology, and the entire theory of evolution and genetics in order to seriously entertain the idea of werewolves. And then you would have to throw in a completely unjustified and unevidenced belief in magical powers and special effects. It is astounding you have the temerity to call yourself open-minded and intelligent. You are, in fact, closed-minded in the worst possible way – the mental tools required for honest, effective, and open inquiry, are entirely lacking in you. You could not be open-minded or intelligent if you tried! You need to learn so much before you even have a chance at intelligent conversation, and I am willing to bet you never will get around to teaching yourself anything worthwhile. I honestly feel sorry for you.

On the other hand, I am so glad you will not reply to this post because you have demonstrated no ability to engage with other people's points or arguments. I could not care less whether you spend time replying to me or even reading my posts - I am writing this for all those other people out there who can get a good laugh or two out of seeing you being annihilated in this forum! Besides, I LOVE having the last word! Everyone who reads this thread will see from the low quality of your posts, your infantile insults, and your impoverished vocabulary that you are indeed the ignorant fool that my earlier posts demonstrate you to be.

And now you come out and show the world that you have NO answers or counter-arguments! That's just beautiful. Really. Yours is a wasted life and your best hope at being someone interesting for a while probably is to appear on the Jerry Springer show along with the rest of your family. I am sure you guys will fit right in.

Ha, ha! Love your comment about my "fake argumentative points". Yes, they are so fake you cannot even counter a single one of them with a better argument! And I am not surprised you can find no other word than "fake" - astonishing you came up with anything at all, considering!

Your concord also sucks. (Ooh, another scary big word you don't know! Or is that one of those intimidating “pretty” words?) It should at least be "that suits them best" not "that suits it best" because "argumentative points" is plural, you dumb-ass!

And what the hell is an "argumentative" point, anyway? Did the words in my post leap out of the screen at you and start bickering and arguing with you? Ha, ha, ha!! That's hilarious - "argumentative points"! Holy moly, there is so much wrong with your short post that it is a wonder that thing you call your mind is able to function at all. Great phrase, "acknowlegding your insufferable preachings". You could not sound more pompous and stuck up if you tried! Ha ha!

Man, you are killing me over here! I have rarely seen a post that backfires so completely on its hapless author. I suppose you were just out of your depth. With such terrible grammar and clearly no tertiary education you did not really stand a chance. Oh, well.

By the way, I am overjoyed to see that you believe you will end up in hell. I suppose that if being an ignorant dumb-ass is a sin you do easily qualify! Unfortunately, I will not be able to join you. But I am sure you will see every last one of the miserable teachers (and both your parents) who completely failed to give you a decent education. Actually, I can't blame the teachers or your parents, can I? You are going to have to take full responsibility for your miserable condition yourself, I'm afraid.

Anyway, thanks for all the laughs my bug-eyed monster "believer". Darkphoenix. Heh, heh. You probably think that sounds so cool! And it does... To a nine-year old!

OK, then. Have a great time doing all that important stuff in your life (flipping burgers or whatever it is ignorant dumb-asses are allowed to do) and being so busy not "acknowlegding" my "insufferable preachings"! "Acknowlegding" - is that a real word? Oops. And “preachings”? Nope. Goodness, pompous and ignorant at the same time! How amazingly perfect! *rolls around on floor laughing*

Oh boy, it is great to vent a little spleen every now and again. Phew! I suppose I should not take advantage of dumb-asses but, really, in this case I just couldn’t resist. Some people fall out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down, I suppose. This Darkphoenix guy should wear a sign around his neck that says, “S T E W P I D”. Well, that’s probably what you would get if you got him to write it.

And that, dear readers, is how you totally own someone! Ouch.

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Err no.

I'm open minded and wait till I see the thing in real life.

In the mean time, keep taking your medication folks....

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Uh, when was the patterson film debunked? I hope you're not going by that "X creatures" with Chris packham, and the accompanying article in BBC Wildlife Magazine? I believe the film to be genuine, for several reasons, which i won't go into just now. So, while i believe in bigfoot, yeti, and so on, i do not believe in werewolves or vampires.

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I'm open minded and wait till I see the thing in real life.


Yeah, me too. Some people, though, don't wait till they see it before they claim it exists. In a way, we are on the same page.

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Shouldn't the question be "do you believe in shapeshifters or loup-garou"?

I mean, there weren't any werewolves in this movie, after all...

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Loup-garou is simply another name for a werewolf. Shape shifter refers to anyone who, according to legends, can transform into a certain type of animal. Wolf is one of the types.

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Nay, Not hardly. But they're commonly confused or lumped together.

One is subject to the disease of lycanthropy and changes into a more powerful hybrid of man and beast.

The other is a seperate species that exists in both man and beast form and can change at will. The movie actually did a fairly good job of explaining the difference, which is why it's so amusing to hear people who've seen the movie still discussing "werewolves".

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Wrong. A lycanthrope is another name for a werewolf, and is also used for mentally ill people who believe they can become a wolf. A normal wolf, not some half-man, half-beast combination. In werewolf legends, the transformation is into a wolf, maybe slightly bigger than normal. The man-beast thing started with the old wolfman movies.

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i believe

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Yea, you said. I still don't.

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and i am ok with that, but i still do.

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gawd I love how these get so muddled.

The defining characteristic is whether what you're dealing with is a disease (mental or mystical) or a natural state of being.

If you're a werewolf or lycanthrope. you're either nuts (the common explanation) or you done got yerself bit up by sum'n.

If you're a Loup-Garou or shapeshifter, you were never bit or infected. You're something else altogether. and in the case of shapeshifters, you don't necessarily turn into a wolf.

Hope that clears things up.

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I can't say that I believe in mythical creatures such as vampires, werewolves, etc... because I'm kind of an "I'll believe it when I see it" type of gal but I'd never deny that there is a possiblity of their existence. I mean, I believe in ghosts because I've seen loads and loads of scientific evidence that they do exist so I'm open to anything supernatural. Here's an idea where the stories of werewolves might have come from though.


http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2258069&page=1

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That isn't what started the legends.

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I'd rather not compare werewolves with religion. Religious beliefs can not in any way be proven. Werewolves however, if you actually met a werewolf who would shapeshift before your very eyes, then you'd have physical proof.

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I believe in werewolves. I believe in a lot of "mythological" creatures. Just because it's not "there", doesn't mean it doesn't exist, you know? Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not real. I also believe in magic.

"The sun is sleeping quietly, once upon a century..."

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...and you must be a real idiot to not know how to make a word plural. While I respect your opinion, I do wish you'd be a little more respectful about delivering it.
Those ancient myths were derived by unknowing masses; people who needed explanation as to why things happened (i.e. death, sickness, season change, etc.) In this century, we don't need those myths because we are better informed of scientific laws and such to that effect.
Who knows, even; what if the idea of a "werewolf" was formed by someone taking a metaphor too literally? After all, wasn't that the main theme of the book--that there is a beast in everyone, and sometimes it's more dominant in others than some? I believe in the book there's even a specific quotation...I don't have the book in front of me, but I think Gabriel says something like that to Vivian.

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Yeah, i believe in them to a degree. i think its extremely probable that they exist along with other things that go bump in the night.:p i mean, i hate to bring religion into this, but in the bible, nicodemus was turned into a wolf for seven years as punishment. remind you of a well known werewolf legend? i think that with even the bible recording things like this that it is very possible that things we can't even imagine exist. things that extend far beyond our lovely stories of vampires and werewolves and things. they have a sense of mortality in the stories, but in real life, who knows? whatever though. you do or you don't believe. and of coarse to different degrees. my sis used to say, whenever she didn't really believe in something (coming from a gal who didn't believe in excuses, that 'i don't believe in it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.'. she's awesome...

"The true adventurer is one who escapes the treadmill of the obvious."

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Exactly. After all, every story comes from somewhere. Whether or not the story is true depends on the person who hears it.

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No, nor vampires. They just make good stories...sometimes anyway.


"Can you get me an anxiety pill, please?" - Airline

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Yeah I do. I didnt want to post on this thread because so many people throw out things like "witches on broomsticks" or "Gods sitting on Mount Olympus" to try and disprove things but the witches riding on broomsticks came from women that were wiccans or "witches" and used a drug that they thought was best taken into the body vaginally so they would rub it on a broom handle and sit on it. And many of the old greek and norse mythologies say that when people stop believing in them they lose power and fade away.

People say "well then why havent we found fossils?" Well we have found fossils of dinasours and some people still dont believe that they existed. And we find new breeds of dinasours every decade. So who is to say that we havent already but just attributed it to a dinasour? I believe in Lycanthropes and vampires just as I do in life on other planets.

Humans have a tendency to dissect, poke, prode, torture, and kill things they find that are new just so they can understand it. If you were a lycanthrope (which doesnt just mean that you can change into a wolf form or another animal but that your mind state changes which HAS been proven to happen when there is a full moon because of the change in gravity.) would you really want to come forward just so you can be trapped in a lab with people making you do all sorts of things for the rest of your life?



"When the weight of the world is on your shoulders, plant your feet."

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I believe in werewolves, that a Nigerian prince wants to split his millions with me, but that I must send him $10,000 first, and that the Obama will save us.

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I believe that Jesus Christ was a vampire and ate werewolves for breakfast. It's all there in the gospels though spelled out in codes and mistranslated by Catholic theologians with no senses of humor.

Nothing is more beautiful than nothing.

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