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Elvis didnt do it for revenge, he was just insane.


Well thats my opinion anyway.. firstly even before he saw his father "The pastor" he obviously was attracted to malerie cos he tried to chat her up, i doubt he would of had known that she was the pastors daughter. Secondly when the pastor first rejects Elvis as his own son, Elvis still goes and sees malerie.. i dont think that he did this cos he planned on getting her pregnant and killing her, i actually think that he really had feelings for her, but the thing about the incest is odd, im guessing he was just very anti-social a bit of a physco and didnt see that it was wrong, but maybe i could be wrong. Thirdly when Paul confronts Elvis about him and Malerie, he stabs him and kills him! he didnt do that for revenge on the father for not accepting him, i just think it was because he didn't want paul telling the pastor about malerie and him because he loved malerie! and then finally at the end when he kills malerie and the mother i think that was because he felt betrayed, see because he did attempt to still care for malerie.. he was knocking on her door yet she didnt open up, she was ignoring him because she felt that what they did was wrong obviously because its incest! and well because malerie told the mother Elvis felt that he had to kill them because it would ruin everything! then at the end of the film when he says "i want to get right with god" who knows what happens, but i think that he would tell the pastor that he killed paul, malerie and the mother. to conclude i just think that he was insane, he was a physco.

would you have sex and inpregnate your half sister, to get revenge on your father?

i dont think so, only physco paths do that $hit, and i just think he was a mental nut.. a hot one though lol i love gael!

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I actually don't think it was his own twisted version of revenge. However, maybe he wanted to be a part of the family. Yes, he was attracted to Malerie, but he also fed on approval. Who better to give a handsome young man approval than a sixteen year old girl? He was twisted and narcissistic (yes, I know I spelt that wrong). Once he found that she was his sister, he persued her so much more. He killed Paul out of fear that he would take his new 'family' away. He seemed to behave himself as long as he was accepted in the family. Once it was evident that he would be thrown out when Malerie told her mother, he killed them. In his mind, he only wanted to be a part of the family.

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I think that he killed Paul because he thought he should have been Paul - the son who was displayed in the church with pride, who had the right to take care of his sister and who had all that love and pride from his father. I think Elvis killed him because he felt he had been supplanted by Paul. He had everything that he should have had - themes in Toto the Hero and House of the Spirits are similar.

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I agree, he seemed very disturbed




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I agree that it carries the same theme as House of the Spirits with the character played by Vincent Gallo. Both I enjoyed immensely and hadn't made the connection yet, good job and thanks for pointing that out!

I think personally, he didn't necessarily know that Malerie was his sister from first sight ... but, as that scene showed clearly, he set his sights on her right away. The reaction from his father only made her more forbidden, and more than anything, the wedge he could create in dismantling the family.

I think he didn't go insane, nor was he "insane". He had an unknown past, one we can only ponder about. He obviously had a prostitute mother and joined the navy. One would be lead to believe he obviously didn't have the golden life and therefor, who knows what all played into the psyche of who he was. Whatever it was, obviously made him a person with little abandon and little to lose. He has only his car, and moves off to Corpus Christie to hitch his star on his never before met father.

His mother was dead, he obviously had probably no family left and he is faced with his father whom never was involved in his life before, living the "golden" or "righteous" perfect life right before him, and denying him. I think seeing the family only triggered what questions and emotions he had underlying. Once he was faced with having his only connection to the father taken away, he lashed out. I think that he relished the idea of tainting the perfect image his father tried to create. Killing the son was just a bonus.

Hey, I killed your son, f_cked your perfect, young daughter, and then got her pregnant. What better way to exact your revenge? Also, the son disappeared and low and behold, who comes drawing Elvis back in his place? That is when I was incredibly shocked. The fact his father replaced his missing son and Elvis walked right into his life, even driving his car. This is when the daughter realized what all his plans had been and how evil he really was. I think it was a pretty sad display of how much damage William Hurt had created.

I think he went overboard, obviously in trying to get revenge on his father, but more so was similar as said to the mentality that Vincent Gallo had in House of the Spirits. But, revenge is certainly what it was and deeming him as simply "insane" makes it filed away all too easily. He obviously wanted to be apart of his father's life. Had he accepted him from the beginning, he probably would've taken a completely different path. Does that excuse his actions, no. I don't know the exact word for what, if anything he was, psychopath, sociopath, narcissist, whatever you will. It leaves you guessing and I enjoyed the way the film ended.

Also, I couldn't wait for William Hurt to find out ... see what his love for aesthetics and righteous, religious fanatics had done to his family and own life.

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he knew she was his sister from the start...the pastor said "that's my family in there" (the car)

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It may have been for revenge initially but I think during the film he wanted to restart as part of the family. He killed Malerie and the mother because Malerie told the mother everything, which messed things up for him, the mother wouldn't be able to bear it, so he had to kill her. Also if you notice after he puts Malerie's body onto the bed, it looks like she whispers to him something that causes him to suffocate her with the pillow. This shows that maybe Malerie had said she wanted to die than live another day and Elvis was just carrying out her orders. But then again, he could just be checking to see if she's still breathing. Also even if he was doing it for revenge, it looks like he was pretty insane to begin with.

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i 100% agree with you, and its so funny to hear all of the misguided posts here.

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Agree completely.

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OMG i havent seen this movie, but just read this post and now the whole story has been revealed...im not complaining it got spoiled or anything but just wanted to say i didnt realize it ended with such a horrible twist...so gael's character actually sleeps with the half sister and then kills her, the brother and the mom?? WOW..BRUTAL.

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he was seeking out his biological father. (with NO preconceived ideas - IMO)

he felt attraction for a girl, and pursed her - she reciprocated.

he met an obstacle to his 'love-life' (Paul) and had to deal with it.

the double-murder in the house was a case of self-preservation; no way the mother would have left him unpunished by the law, and obviously Malorie had chosen her mother over him - so she was not on his side anymore.

and finally, he let the Pastor know to see what HIS take is; maybe that's not so much a case of self-preservation (one might think running away to be the case) - but, we go back to the beginning, he was seeking his father - the question becomes relevant again, "will he be accepted or not ?"


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oh, and for this post;

...with such a horrible twist...so gael's character actually sleeps with the half sister and then kills her, the brother and the mom?? WOW..BRUTAL
that's true, but VERY misleading to how the story actually plays out.


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Oh Elvis was insane all right. Although "insane" may be too simplistic a word, we can certainly see that there was a mental illness present, whether it be sociopathy, psychopathy, etc.

The common denominator in Elvis's actions is that he is completely conscienceless and thinks only of the implications to himself. Moreover, he is recklessly impulsive, never thinking of the consequences beyond the present moment.

When his biological father rejects him, he feels a mixture of rage, sadness, and longing. His continuing to pursue his own half-sister while never disclosing to her the nature of their true relationship is an abuse of her. He does not really care for Mallorie as a person; what he calls his love for her is really a fulfillment of his own sexual needs. Mallorie is a means for him to have some sort of tether to his father's life and family, which is what he truly longs for.

Elvis didn't diabolically plan to seduce Mallorie, kill Paul, and become the "replacement son" in his father's life. He had no idea that Paul's death would lead Dave to seek him out and accept him. But just because there was no planning and scheming does not mean that Elvis is not psychotic or otherwise mentally unhinged. More evidence:

(1) When Paul confronts him, Elvis's immediate reaction is to violently stab him, even though Paul was unarmed and used only words to threaten him. Even in the aftermath, Elvis shows no grasp of the reality of what he has done; he nudges Paul, expecting him to wake up from his "flesh wound."

(2) On that climactic day Dave reveals to the entire church that Elvis is his son, Elvis is overwhelmed with emotion after finally experiencing acceptance and community. Yet he is oblivious to the pain this revelation has caused Mallorie. That night, he comes to her room expecting to sleep with her as always -- and he's utterly puzzled and upset that she's locked her door! He can't understand why on earth she wouldn't want to have sex with him anymore.

(3) The next day, after seeing Mallorie cry in her mother's arms, Elvis kills them both. It amazes me that other posters justify Elvis's actions as an act of self-preservation. After all, if Mallorie confesses what's happened to her mother, this will instantly banish him from the family. His father will once more disown him, and the love and belonging he yearned for yet tasted so briefly will be gone.

So killing these women AND burning the house down is going to preserve the father-son relationship that he recently developed with Dave? Again, Elvis reacts with no thought to the future and without a shred of empathy or conscience for taking the lives of these two human beings -- hallmarks of sociopathy and psychopathy.
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A sane person struggling with self-esteem and abandonment issues will certainly feel anger and other tumultuous emotions; he or she may also lash out and could also be abusive to others. But once accepted by his/her natural family, that person would not resort to arson and murder. Elvis got what he apparently desired, but his mental disturbances sabotaged all of it.

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I totally agree. I don't really buy the claim that he did all this to "get back at" his dad (although it would be great revenge, of course.) I also think he was just crazy, basically.

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I tend to agree with the OP here. The word "revenge" suggests a carefully plotted and executed plan and I didn't get the feeling that Elvis had planned all this. The Elvis character was the (presumably) unwanted child of a prostitute, so it could be presumed he didn't have the best childhood. There are suggestions throughout the film that he's not on an even keel - he lies to Mallarie about his mother for example. When he's confronted with the possibility of having to take responsibility for his actions he responds with violence. So yeah for me, he's not really in control of his actions.

Each to their own interpretation of the film though!

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i think the question of revenge and/or insanity is deliberately left open for discussion.

personally, i think he it was revenge and psychopathy at the same time because 1) when he first drives to the spot by the river that will later be the burial place, he had a look on his face like, "this would be a good spot to bury someone"; 2) he says "how does it feel" when he stabs his half brother; 3) he seems angry when he recounts how his mother died poor; and 4) his happiness upon finding out about the pregnancy. to me, these tend to show that he wanted revenge. the final "i need to get right with god" was a final f-you, saying "i've destroyed YOUR family, and now i'm going to destroy your faith (ie, just what exactly is this god of yours prepared to forgive?) "

that all said, he was still insane. he clearly had no empathy for others, no sense of right and wrong, no sense of remorse.

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I do agree that he wanted Malerie from the first moment he saw her. As for him being insane, I would agree with the killing of Malerie and her mother at the end. Paul was stupid to go to his apartment and theaten him.

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"I do agree that he wanted Malerie from the first moment he saw her."

I think it was probably even earlier than that.

When he first sees Malerie when she's child-minding, he seemed to already know where to find her.

I believe he'd been planning disruption to the family well before the movie starts, before he leaves the navy. It's ironic therefore When David tells him, "This is my family now", inferring he should leave, when actually things were only really getting underway.

Revenge was arguably an early motive, but I like other posters above, agree he probably was insane and when the opportunity arose to further consolidate his position within the family, he took it.

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