Underrated
This is an excellent movie. Arty, but excellent. All the hate surprises me.
shareyes I really like this movie ok am a fan of Neve but I really enjoy this movie!
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I have to agree.
Don't undertand what all the vehemence is about.
This is artsy film making, fer sure.
... kinda had a European flavor to it.
Wonder how many of them ..the haters ..are more than 15 years old ..
If you're not appalled, you're not paying attention ....
I agree, Toback is a genius, and most people don't know what to think of his work because it doesn't follow a formula like most movies. and it scares them so they hate it.
I think WHEN WILL I BE LOVED has a few of my all time fav. scenes in a movie :
(the scene between Campbell and the Count, and the scene between Campbell and toback is pretty hilarious)
But to each his own I suppose. At least we get it ;)
Wow! Where did all you "I love this movie" people come from? Have you just been waiting for someone to say they love the movie? Or are you all being sarcastic?
shareWell, since they all took shots guessing at who I am, how old I am, and why I didn't "get" this celluloid sewage, I feel it's only fair that we make assumptions about them. They all sound like pretentious little artsies from some second-rate college that offers a course or two on film appreciation, and is taught by some lonely, perverted professor who has a crush on Neve Campbell so he shows this film in his class under the pretense of it being good art while in fact he just wanted another chance to salivate over seeing Neve in the buff. They all strained a few brain cells discussing this tripe over wine and cheese at some boring, informal session held at the prof's house while they listened to Leonard Cohen records and pecked at some really sad offerings of hors d'oevres, not unlike those that drew Nigel's ire in "This is Spinal Tap" (a show that they would all consider banal because they are too sophisticated). They also are the kind of people who..... uh, you know what? Who cares who in hell they are? If they liked this helping of video vomit, they are obviously not worth wasting any more time on. They deserve what they get.
shareJesus, its a movie. I personally enjoyed it and thought Neve was stunning.
shareNope...my school wasn't second rate..I only got a film degree from possibly the best film school in the U.S., so i took a few more than a "2" film classes.
I just dug the movie..sorry you didn't....but w/ a name like "childtime" i'm sure you're all over the Lord of the Rings posts..now that's a brilliant movie right? ;)
You can count me among those who really appreciated this film. There's really no point for those on either side to launch into ad hominem attacks of those who disagree with them. Film is subjective. And obviously a certain group of people passionately hated the film. They don't seem to elaborate much on what they objected to so I can't say for sure. I can only guess they prefer more traditional films with less dialogue and more action. I would like to know if people who hated this film also hated Sophia Copola's "Lost In Translation" to test this theory. As far as I'm concerned, Neve Campbell gives a brilliant performance and the writing and directing in the film are top notch. But that's just my opinion.
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Well, I know I am coming to this discussion rather late -- can't say I hated it, but I didn't exactly "get it" either. Don't/didn't know anything about James Toback -- I lived in an area that didn't get much in the way of art house or independent films. So it was all new to me and I truly did not know what to expect.
I am aware enough, though, to appreciate and enjoy the negotiating scene with Campbell and Chianese -- riveting I thought, and somehow very satisfying, and the best few minutes ever by Campbell in any movie with the exception of "Panic," but also in a movie that could have/should have consistently played to that kind of intensity and strength, but IMO didn't.
I'm one of those who didn't know what to make of the movie - as you say, to each his own.
The start of the movie was promising. The set up was kind of intrigueing and
the movie was erotic without being too tacky. The last part was clumsily handled,
and you could see the ending coming a long way off. A wasted opportunity.
I'm astounded by the obtuse comments here. Learn how to read a film, people. Please. Learn how to think. This film is all about exploitation. And capitalism. Vera is the object of desire at its center. The "seduction" scene with the Count was beautifully done, as was the final showdown. Everything in this crap world is some form of transaction. Which leads to deceit. Which leads to...Every encounter, every thought is prey to this unfortunate reality. I would like to commend cinematographer Larry McConkey for his wonderful work. Every film shot in NYC looks the same to me-- boringly similar. McConkey's camera made the city in which I live look surprisingly fresh. This is a very good film, and deserving of Ebert's four stars.
shareNo matter how high-minded or compelling a movie may be in concept, the director still has to execute that concept for the movie to work. This film did not engage me on any level.
"I don't want any Commies in my car. No Christians, either."
I think in light of recent events, this film has added significance -- considering how corruption has ruined the banking and real estates industries, and how the stock market has crashed -- there are plenty of smart people who have no morals who are out to screw everyone, and unfortunately they have won (and Neve Campbell's character comes from that strata of high society).
shareGREAT POST NYCIC...people really dont read films much these days, they just base their opinion on what they see, they never really think about the meaning. and yeah i really wonder how many people on here are over 15, coz some of the comments are so stupid and pointless
shareAt the very least, this movie should be required viewing for all 15 year old males born into average circumstances. The 'choices' for males vs most females in life couldn't have been made more clear. A young man has to figure out how to make his way in this world - no one is gonna hand him anything. If he starts a family, he increases his responsibilities to a degree that can be more than daunting, it can be damn right overwhelming.
Ford apparently wasn't born into money - he hustles to get by the best he can.
Vera comes from money but the money stream won't go on for ever - at some point she has to decide: Marry the best she can based on the old adage about what a woman with her looks etc can get ... or educate herself and take her chances in business of some sort. Traditional, old fashioned ... whatever, these still are the basic choices for most woman if you leave out the 3rd one - the one most woman can make a decent living at, 'the worlds oldest profession'.
For 1/2 an hour of her time, shes set for LIFE !! Granted, most woman will never run into a proposition like this one but if it comes down to it, she will never have to go hungry ...
I've read a few posts here about what a low life Ford is/was. Hes the messenger/facilitator here. Who would withhold such a proposition from a friend ? I couldn't - this one had the potential to be life altering.
The contrasts between Ford and Veras options in life couldn't have been more stark. And throw in the Count for good measure - think of how this all appeared to Ford ? A male who has the financial resources to p*ss away a million dollars on a piece of a**. A young woman who can 'work' for 30 mins and never have to work a another day in her life - and there he is, by circumstances of his birth, so close to it all but not a penny of it is due him and no matter what her answer is, she, more than likely, will always have it made as will the Count. Ford on the other hand, unless he plays his cards right in this unique situation, will be hustling for the rest of his life just to live day to day with a roof over his head and some food in his belly.
BTW, if Fords character had any sense, he would keep his mouth shut until he could retain an attorney. He should have demanded that the Count have a DNA swabbing to prove the 2 of then had sex. He should have kept that spit on his face until he could have a DNA swabbing also. I think most juries would understand one man shoving or punching another who had just spit in his face.
Not to mention that he had good reason to suspect the Count may have had AIDS since he was a frequenter of prostitutes. No doubt there was some record of his million dollar cash transaction somewhere. With these facts alone, I can come up with several scenarios that I think could be used to persuade a jury that that Ford was the innocent one in this story - intentionally provoked by the Count to take a swing at him. Yeah, people wouldn't look to kindly at a strong, young man taking a swing at an old geezer but I think there was enough here to make them over look that spontaneous swing. I would think that at the most he'd get maybe a 1 - 3 yr sentence ... beats a murder rap/sentence.