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Significance of the final scenes


When Tonny throws his cigarettes onto the table after being asked several times for them...is he making a final statement?
As soon as the bride goes out of the room he steals some money and leaves the cigarettes before taking his son. No smoker would leave their ciggies behind.

Is it his way of sayingh he has realised his son deserves better and that final gesture is a poiter to Tonny's new start in life, finalised by his bus journey with his son.

I thought it seemed poigniant anyway. ;-)

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Certainly ends on the semi-sweet tip...But I see it as one of two things. First, either he was so distracted because he just killed his father. Or he was using the cigarettes as a gambit to get Charolette outta the house, so he could then swipe the baby.

But I don't see it that way. I think he was really distracted and things just worked out the way they did. He was going to take everything he could from Gry's purse and then just happened to notice the baby and finally decided(late as it might be)to do the right thing for his(?) baby. That said, he was certainly not getting very far on the few coins and holdin' a "hot" baby. Tonny is going to end up just where Pusher II started, but without his father's protection.

The final 30 seconds pumps me up everytime, but then I am left thinkin' about the bleak reality that Tonny will soon be facing.

"Master your high or die under the staff!"

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i just read the final scenes as toony deciding to change his ways and he goes about it as poorly thought out as any criminal decision he made before he decides to "change" if indeed he does.

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I don´t think Tonny makes any radical changes in his life, even if he has a kid. To me, that wasn´t important - what *WAS* important is that despite being a rather dim-witted, crummy person, he apparently loved his kid more than anyone else, even the mother. Perhaps Tonny will ammend some of the many mistakes his own father made with him, but that doesn´t mean he´ll necessarily change his life for the better.

What i loved about this movie is how it made me feel sympathy for someone i previously thought was just an idiot. Tonny is a criminal because he was taught to be one by his father, and the fact that he´s a bit ´slow´ (Or at least regarded that way by everyone else) makes him all the more pitiful. The only love that exists in his life is the love he can give his child...

"Cain and Abel will go to Heaven... if they can make it through Hell!"
-Los Hijos Del Topo

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and I think you guys are being too pessimistic. The shot the film ends on - which I think you have to assume isn't accidental - is the message on the back of Tonny's head. It's symbolism so obvious you almost don't take it seriously, but it's also fitting in that the crudeness and obviousness of it kind of matches the character himself (It's also kind of a humorous tweak on symbolism in general, tattoing a message on the character's skin).

In that light I looked at the film as primarily a story about someone who lets other people kick the sh*t out of them (literally and figuratively) and beat them down until they finally fight back and takes what is rightfully theirs. The details of what happens after the credits roll seemed somewhat irrelevant to me in terms of the story Refn was trying to tell.

I think that interpretation also makes it a nice counterpart to the first Pusher film - after all, it would be kind of boring to have both films end on a similar note, and the first film definitely didn't end on a happy one. But it's also less sentimental than it seems at first, because here we have someone who straightened his own life out by pretty violent, selfish means. To me this meant that Refn wasn't so much condemning the lax morality of Tonny's character throughout the film as simply his weakness.

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Whether we are being pessimisic or not, the fact remains that Tonney's future is pretty bleak...His story is going to end very, very badly!

And all three films in the Pusher trilogy end in the very same unclear manner, so don't really get your point of it being a different ending than the first film...?

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I thought the last scene showed the death of the "junkie Tony" because you see Tony looking at the table, where there are still coke lines, but he chooses not to do them.

This reflects on the early character of Tony, when he goes to kunt's house. As soon as he see the lines he just starts snorting, its like his reflex action when he sees coke.

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The point of the very end was all about R-E-S-P-E-C-T. A guy who takes care of his child and is able to overcome his own nasty father commands R-E-S-P-E-C-T why is that so hard to see for you people??

My strength is greater than my weakness

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sushil_g3 has got it spot-on. It's not that he leaves the cigarettes behind. It's that he doesn't do the coke that's on the table. which indicates he is a changed character (in this moment at least - of course, we don't know how long this will last).

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Agree, the future is bleak except for one bright spot. When the baby grows up, he will (hopefully) know that his father wanted him. Tonny did not get to experience this and it has devastating effects on the decisions he makes throughout his life. Although it might seem like the kidnapping was for naught, it might make a big difference.

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Well Refn has stated in interviews that he likes to leave things at the end open-ended..

Some in this thread has said the tatoo on the back of Tonny's head is significant.

To me it is merely ironic. The irony is that Tonny seems incapable of garnering ANY respect. The die is cast for him.

Refn has also stated in interviews that the male protagonists are through the course of the film "transformed". Tonny's transformation comes about through relentless humiliation. When forced into an ugly corner by his abusive father, Tonny unsprings and kills him..

Before the very end, the women in the house, also heaping verbal abuse on him, force his hand into yet another impulsive act.

The very last scene horrified me as much as any act of violence in the film. Any sane parent would react the same. Someone like Tonny has NO BUSINESS taking a vulnerable child, an infant for f's sake, into the night for a freaking bus ride.

It was a maddening monstrous act. A nice bit of inspiration on Refn's part who I believe at the time of writing this script had had his first child with his wife Liv Corfixen.

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The very last scene horrified me as much as any act of violence in the film. Any sane parent would react the same. Someone like Tonny has NO BUSINESS taking a vulnerable child, an infant for f's sake, into the night for a freaking bus ride.

It was a maddening monstrous act.


Uh-huh. What is your reaction to taking the baby into that bar where everyone smoked like mad, the music probably was very loud and nobody cared about the kid but Tonny?


As for the ending itself, I think Tonny wants to change but he won't be successful. Someone will get him arrested for kidnapping and the circle will come round. Poor guy stuck in his own hell.




If the idea is to stay alive, I'm driving.

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Nice catch.. A bad place definitely but the place from where Tony takes the child is a relatively quiet calm and safe place for the child with the child's mother in relative proximity..

No way to sugar coat it. A loose canon like Tony, who has just committed murder, who is incapable of garnering any respect or support from anyone closest to him, taking the child into the middle of the cold night away from its mother on a public bus is no acceptable alternative.

Tony throughout the film wants to change.. But he lacks the necessary skills and the will to follow through. He flounders at every turn. He is clearly doomed from the very start.

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Relatively quiet and safe place is a funny discription of that bar, I'd prefer the bus any time. The mother cared more about getting coke than watching over her child.
I don't say it's right what Tonny did but actually nobody did anything right. Those are all losers.




If the idea is to stay alive, I'm driving.

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Was the child dead or crying or ill from the mother's neglect?

Didn't look like it to me..

Who'd you give better chances for maintaining the child's well being? The mother? Or Tonny?

No comparison.. After seeing how Tonny behaved throughout the film? I was horrified when Tonny took that child. As horrified or more than any act of violence depicted in the film.

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As someone who sees the dark side of things, it was surprising that the ending of the film seemed like a chance for redemption for Tonny to me.

It appeared the man had no guidance during his childhood. He wasn't Einstein, so school was no help. His father, who was scum, despised him, and his mother
was "mental" so who was there for him other than his peers - the other kids on the street with no direction either. And thus was his life. He
seemed to just be free falling.

At the beginning Tonny did seem like a total loser. His self talk, like "I rule", and making excuses for his lack of sexual performance and about what the girls missed seemed so lame, but eventually it is realized that he was just using self-defense mechanisms. People said things to him, like calling him a retard, that were just cruel.

He went with Curt to get some free cocaine, and ended up being his accomplice, which he had not planned to do. (Curt wasn't exactly a
brain, either -- flushing the heroin down the toilet and then expecting his money back because he thought it was the cops.)

But Tonny seemed to change to me after he saw the baby. He realized that by accident he had created something good and pure. He even told
Charlotte that he would get the money for the baby.

It's surprising to me that people think the mother would be a better parent. She hadn't even named the kid!! When they were at the wedding party, all Charlotte wanted to do was get wasted like Tonny.But at least he had the sense to know that the baby needed out of that place. (I must say i've never quite seen a wedding party like that!) Why would a mother take a baby in that environment in the first place? How much did she care about the child's welfare. She just seemed angry she got pregnant.

By the end of the film, i think Tonny realized in a split second that the baby needed out of that kind of life all together, and he was the one who was going to have to be responsible. So he got the baby the heck out of there. (I have to wonder how long it took for Charlotte to even realize the baby was gone?)

As someone else mentioned, showing his "respect" tatoo at the end showed some positive symbolism to me. His father had told him that
he never thought of anyone besides himself; so perhaps he was able to start a new life and sacrifice for the sake of his son. At least, that's
what i'd like to think.

As always, Mads was just the best! It took a lot of courage doing that role. His facial expressions really seemed to change after he saw that baby. He clearly
showed that Tonny had fallen in love with that child.

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You're exaggerating it way too much. The mother was a self-destructive junkie. She was a ticking bomb. With that kind pathetic addiction to drugs (snorting coke anywhere), it's only a matter of time until she accidentally kills the baby or herself.
Tonny, on the other hands, was just stupid and used by horrible people who were incapable of showing a basic respect towards another human being. As long he surrounds himself with normal people and get a normal life/job he would be ok. His problems were caused by leeches, losers and criminals around him.
Still, the future might not be friendly with him but at least there's a bit of hope. He clearly wanted to change and get away from the criminal life he had led.

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I felt the final scenes (including the stabbing of Smeden) indicated the character transformation that was foreshadowed by the beginning scene. Tonny at the beginning was told that he needed to overcome his fears so that people would not 'f--- with him', and the stabbing of his father shows this action that will change everyone's perception of him. When he leaves and goes to his house, there's a marked difference in the way he talks to the whores, he no longer panders to them, he just acts indifferent to them. So while the future may look bleak for Tonny, many will realise that you can't 'f--' with him anymore, so to speak.

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You Mads fans want to make this Tonny character into a hero of sorts. Mads is a great actor no doubt and he's perfectly capable of playing a doomed loser.

Any idiot can kill someone. The father is a scumbag but Tonny murdering his father doesn't help Tonny's situation in the least. Is he capable of taking over his father's crime rackets? Garnering "respect" from the people who work for his father? Of course not!

Tonny can barely take care of himself let alone an infant. Any of you guys have kids? It's worse than a full time job! It's 24 hours, day-in, day-out..

Tonny takes the baby into the cold night for a stupid bus ride and it's plain to me that BOTH of them are doomed.

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I'm surprised I haven't found a thread about this yet or maybe I'm just out for lunch. Is it possible that the women are snorting the bad coke that's laced with rat poison? Tony and Kunt trash the house to make things look real. Then later Tonny's father gets a call from someone searching the house. I think it's very possible that person took the coke, brought it back to the party and that's what the girls are snorting at the end. Why else would she have a bleeding nose? What's the point of having that in the story otherwise and at that point of the movie, unless it means something? I know "coke heads" can get bleeding noses easily but maybe the idea is that he knows the mother is going to die? That would end the whole debate about who the baby is safer with. lol.

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Wow. Tonny is such a killing machine..

Next thing you know, he'll bus ride to some respectable family's house and pistol whip them into babysitting his kid while he goes out and grabs some respect from losers who *beep* with him in the past..

Heh. Not buying it.

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If you snort rat poison bleeding through the nose is the last thing you'll notice.
Nose bleeds are common when you snort anything through the nose so your suggestion sounds implausible. Whats more implausible is Tony noticing the difference between pure coke and rat poisoned coke. There isn't any. Especially when you look at it while being high.
The tatoo 'Respect' on his head is the endings reason. Trying to find respect through the whole movie. Everyone calling him retard and not giving a crap about him so he started acting irrational. End of story

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I find it interesting that so many people in this thread end their interpretation with something like "end of story", or belittling other people's interpretations. I think if you were to ask NWR himself he would be extremely open to different interpretations of this film, both positive and negative in outcome, because with other films of his he has made it a point to come out publicly in saying he has made them to be very open to interpretation, and refuses to give any objective truth to what he was attempting to communicate.

All of that being said, here is my subjective interpretation:

I believe in the final moments of the film Tony has finally lived up to the meaning of the tattoo on the back of his head: respect.

I don't mean respect from others, as it is communicated very early on that would be impossible; in this criminal caste, he is the lowest there is, the only acceptance he has coming from the fact his father has power (remember, the trilogy as a whole is about power dynamics in Copenhagen's criminal caste system, the protagonist of the first Pusher being the lowest and trying to move up, the protagonist of the third Pusher being the highest and trying not to lose his stature).

During the sex scene, the prostitutes belittle Tony, and though he tries to make up excuses, he clearly has a lack of respect for himself, symbolized by his self-imposed impotency.

At one point, he communicates interest in getting back with the mother of his (?) child, but this is not an option to her because of who she sees him as, her lack of respect or admiration of him (constantly calling him a "loser", like everyone does), wanting somebody who could give her a different life or has a higher social status.

And most importantly, throughout the entire film, he does everything he possibly can to earn the respect of his father. In fact, that is his main motivation, the reason he does almost everything he does, to be a criminal his father could be proud of.

In the final scene with his father, Tony realizes that there is nothing he could ever do to earn his father's respect, partly because of his past, and partly because his mother, from which he came, never had his father's respect. In that moment, perhaps subconsciously, confronting his father (killing him), is the only respectable action he has, the only path he could go down to stop his father's belittlement and retain any ounce of self-respect he has.

In this way, it is no coincidence that when he has dispatched his own father, he goes to his child to accept his responsibility as a father himself.

Leaving the cigarettes is part of this, it is the most minor drug he ingests, but he does so throughout the film, and giving up this habit is a form of self-respect, self-control and the restraint from slowly killing one's self. Taking the baby from the mother, who clearly doesn't respect him, the child, or herself (by the way she treats everybody and is clearly willing to go to any length for drugs, there are several implications she dabbles in prostitution herself, and she doesn't even want the baby, she only uses it to maintain power), and at least attempting to give that child a good life outside of crime, at least attempting to break the mold of his own father/child relationship, at least attempting to become a good father himself, is the only path he could have taken to give himself self-respect.

Whatever fate he is doomed to after the film ends, good or bad, prison or parenthood, is superfluous to the context of the story and theme contained with the film. All that matters in those last moments is that he has earned his self-respect. In the final shot of the film, where respect is literally tattooed on his self, is the moment he has finally earned that respect, no longer futilely attempting to demand it from others, but taking the actions required to give it to himself.

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Ben, I completely agree with your comment about "end of discussion", I notice that most people who say things like that are trying to improve their worth by putting someone else down. Not impressive at all.

Also, I just wanted to add that you make an interesting case for your comments and it was a good read.

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Improve their worth because of a more logical interpretation on a movie?
Putting someone down because of an ''end of story'' usage? You take posts on imdb way too seriously.
Also i like how oblivion dished me but said exactly what i said, only more detailed...

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It's rude. End of discussion. ;)

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