Is Frank dead?


I guess it is pretty clear that this movie happens years after the first one. Many things point to this fact.

So when Milo and Tonny meet in the hotel room, Milo asks Tonny about Frank in a way that makes Tonny smile. "He's not in Denmark huh?" And Tonny replies "No, I don't know were he is" and at the same time they smile like they are joking with each other.

We can see the scar on Tonnys head during the whole movie. I mean Frank really beat him bad with that baseball bat. And Milo would'nt bee to happy talking about Frank if he really got a way.

So is this a hint to us that Frank is dead? That what Milo and Tonny really are saying to each other is "Is't it great that Frank is buried in the ground? He got what he deserved and he's not in Denmark (="alive") to bother us any more".


Any one else think like I do? I hope Frank is alive and that he managed to run away from Milo and his gang in the first film, but someone wrote on another forum "now that Frank is dead we get to follow Tonny in the sequel"

How can we assume he is dead?

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"Milo would'nt bee to happy talking about Frank if he really got a way."

I'm not sure about that.... Frank WAS his best friend in Denmark, and the only reason we know that Milo and adovan were going to kill Frank at the end of the first Pusher is that we saw Frank's "imagining" of what they were doing waiting for him. Most of the way through Pusher we hear about other people who owed much less than Frank who were treated in a worse way (the Turk who Radovan kneecapped, for example). In Pusher III, Milo manages to have a good chat with Kurt, even though they didn't leave on the best of terms in Pusher II.

I think that if Frank got away, then Milo didn't have to kill his 'best friend', and at the end of the day, Milo is a business man.


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You guys are over-analyzing. These guys are not supposed to be smart, I think he just asking carefully if he knows anything.
but what do I know? I havent seen the third film and see now that this is posted last year

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I agree. I think Milo was trying to get information about Frank from Tonny in the knowledge that Tonny is a bit stupid and Tonny harbors a grudge against Frank. Maybe Milo still wants revenge, but after all these years the DKK230,000 isn't so important to Milo anymore. It's the betrayal that bothers him.

In my opinion, Frank left Copenhagen and ended up desperate and anonymous in some distant city. Maybe one day Frank will re-appear in Pusher IV. I'd like to see him struggling to climb the ladder of dope dealing in a place like Paris or London. And once his profile rises, Milo will get a phone call...

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I was a little disappointed the question was asked about Frank.

I'd have preferred the audience wondering more rather than some innuendo with this question.

3 Great films though.

I hope at least one more is made.

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stupid_fresh once wrote...

"at the end of the first Pusher is that we saw Frank's "imagining" of what they were doing waiting for him."

this is exactly what i thought the first few times i watched it, that this was an imagined, paranoid, self-scare that he imagined would be waiting for him

in the last few viewings, i suddenly thought, that these guys witness some pretty hardcore, gritty stuff, and it doesnt actually have to be that he is imagining those scenes, it could well be that he is wondering what to do next, and that the film actually shows us what is going down by the various 'wronged' parties associated with Frank at that time.

you can take it either way, obviously, i now see it more as what was happening actually at the time, and that Milo had called him and said all was ok, to lull Frank into a false sense of security, which i thought showed Franks, simplistic and somewhat naive side to believe that Milo would let that slide after trying to shoot them up, you could say Franks piece of ass saved him (temporarily?) by doing a runner, otherwise he may have walked into a trap and been slain

although we do not know his outcome, i would assume he would have fled. unless he had a deathwish, which in parts of the movie, i also believe he had, like he was resigned to the fact, as i certainly wouldnt mess with radovan as he did in the cut produce car scene

great movie, with two fantastic sequels. a genius trilogy, which unfortunately, as much as i like refn, believe he will never come close to again, a one off genius set of film making, cult!

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What sets this trilogy so far ahead of American crime films is the John Cassavetes-like realism. At the end of I we don't know what becomes of Frank. After II we don't know what becomes of Tonny. And after III we don't know what's become of Milo. When Milo cons the C=nt into accepting the heroin instead of the blow he'd contracted, he mentions, "Have you seen Frank?", so at least we know Frankie's skated his execution and gutting by Radovan, thus far. But the way American movies tie their closures with definitive bows like a gift, these incredibly original movies are much more true to life. Those who have difficulty appreciating the pace, the lack of denouements, and the lack in decisive endings, they remind me of the French public that took so long to appreciate the originality of Van Gogh, simply because of their unfamiliarity with the new language he'd created. Like in real life, there are no neat composites in these stories. In real life, we're always left in a morass of unresolved circumstances, and that's why these innovative vignettess that never resolve themselves are so intriguing. In my opinion, all 3 of these movies are better than any of slickly produced Scorcese gangster films since Scorcese, being such a student of historical cinema is much less innovative than what we have here, although they're much more commercially acceptible and acceptable to the mass public. Indeed, even Coppolla's first 2 Godfather movies, possibly the greatest movies ever made, don't come close to reality the way these innovative Pusher movies do. Even though the Soprano series is eminently watchable for its serial character, they don't hold a candle to the ultra-realism groundbreaking character of this incredible series of nouvelle-verité vignettes. And although immature viewers are wowed by macho thug cruelty ever since the days of Cagney, these movies don't rely on such silly characterizations. I despise idol-worshipping sycophants that genuflect whenever the name of their obsession-based movie stars or directors are mentioned, and will spew mean-spirited objections to anyone who has the temerity to take issue with their prejudices.

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Thank you for that tought out answer. It's a great thrilogy. And Tonny is Mads Mikkelsen at his very best.

cheers

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great post mica, i agree 100%

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Even though I agree with a lot of your conversations about American cinema being too obvious, it's clear that Frank was killed. Milo was either being coy with Tonny or Milo doesn't know where Frank is because the bodybuilders cut him to pieces. It is unlikely Frank went far with no money and two armed gangs chasing him down.

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....I despise idol-worshipping sycophants that genuflect whenever the name of their obsession-based movie stars or directors are mentioned, and will spew mean-spirited objections to anyone who has the temerity to take issue with their prejudices...

Haha - dude, you need to lay off the caffeine for a bit and take a deep breath...

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Frank isn't dead, Nicolas Winding Refn didn't bring Kim Bodnia back on board for Pusher II and III because he had a falling out with him after the release of Bleeder over a money dispute.

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its a question of interpretation, i'd say Frank was killed and they dont talk about it anymore. .

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Frannk went to Norway then the Netherlands, he hooked up with some people in New York, and was pushing high grade pot from the Netherlands to NYC in hollowed out books. It's all there if you read between the lines man.

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I got the impression that it was a veiled reference to Frank's murder. Milo doesn't appear very concerned when asking Tonny and even grins in a self satisfied manner.

"Hey, look at that! She's not crazy, she's being chased by a cheetah!"

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I believe Frank is dead. At the end of the movie, Milo has called Frank and asked him to meet and arrange the debt. Then it shows Milo and his assistant covering the floor with plastic sheets. If you see Pusher III you will understand what the plastic sheets are used for.

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