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My idea stolen by Sci-Fi Channel.


Yeah, I know it sounds like I'm crazy. But a while ago I sent an idea to Sci-Fi Channel, its title was DARKLIGHT. About a young man with great supernatural powers who must fight evil to keep mankind safe. Now I see that it's coming out, they only changed the Hero to a Heroine. Even the Tagline is so close to mine: "Even in darkness, there is a Light." It's a damn shame when a channel as big as Sci-Fi must steal ideas off of another writers work. Or a writer who read my posts took it into his own hands to do the same.

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Yeah, you are right- you should sue them for using the "term" Darklight. Heck, you should probably sue Electronic Arts because they stole it for their game Darklight Conflict. Origins should feel your wrath for Cybermage: Darklight Awakening - heck, they ripped you off even more because their main character is a guy that's fighting evil with guns and magical powers- that's your idea exactly! You did send it in to sci-fi channel prior to 1995, right?

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Yes, I did send it to Sci-Fi prior to 1995.

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Sorry to hear about your misfortune. I better make sure I Copyright my screenplays before I send them in to anyone. You know, just in case. Think of this as an opportunity to write something bigger and better, and then come back prepared. Good luck.






"Failure to prepare is preparing to fail"

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You, or anyone else, who sends a spec script to any production company, director, writer, etc, needs to have his/her head examined, preferably just prior to seeing a project released that bears any resemblance whatsoever to that contained in his/her work.

There isn't a studio, production company, producer, director or scriptwriter that ever, ever reads unsolicited scripts for exactly this reason. Not that it makes any difference, of course; there's always some yahoo who claims that Studio/Scripter/Production House A stole the plot/characters/title/what-have-you from his/her spec submission and used it for Property B, which just made a gazillion dollars so he/she is owed some major moolah.

But hey, if you and the OP want to waste your money sending unsolicited scripts to everyone unlucky enough to have an address listed in some public document, knock yourselves out. It just goes into the pile that gets filed in the circular file at the end of the day.

~"...then Buffy staked Edward.

The End."

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And while you're at it, you should sue Joss Whedon and 20th Century Fox, and Stan Lee and Steve Ditko and Marvel Comics, and F. Paul Wilson, and Michael Mann, and Michael Turner and Top Cow/Image Comics, and...

What are you, ten? Despite the fact that the idea has already been done to death, if you'd taken standard measures to protect your basic copyrights, you could hire a lawyer and try to prove your intellectual ownership in court. But I'll bet you didn't, otherwise you wouldn't be griping in public, you'd be doing something about it.

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Unless you had it patent or real proof, I don't think you can do much. They'll just deny it. :(

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Besides, a script writer would never send an idea directly to a network. Your agent would take care of the details so that your rights would be protected. Even if you are 100 percent correct, it wasn't a very smart thing to do. You would have to prove your copyright was filed first. In court, that is very expensive.

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Even if you did submit the idea to Sci-Fi, it does not necessarily mean that it was co-opted. Parallel development of ideas does occur. For example, Scott
Adams of Dilbert Fame claims to have independently developed the idea of integrating a bar and laundrymat, but then, without him conveying the idea to anyone, found that someone else had the same idea and developed it into a business.

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liquidthalassa wrote:
> But I *Seriously* doubt they "stole" your idea.
> they're not going to get into copyright infringement and what ever else. No way.

Are you kidding? Television is notoriously known as the rip-off realm. Ever watch an episode of Quantum Leap and not think that every other script was a rip off of some movie?

The minute someone makes a 'hit' show you see dozens of copy-cat versions on other networks next season.

Fact is: they steal ideas and concepts all the time.


The reality is that you can't copyright a title nor an idea. You can copyright a plan, a treatment, a script etc.. it has to be tangible. But simply an idea or a tile cannot be copyrighted.

It would be very easy for him to prove to everyone if his idea was stolen. All he needs to do is put up a link with his script and everyone can compare how he developed this idea with what was produced.


And if still don't think that ideas can be stolen, just look up the case of HarLan Ellison versus James Cameron for stealing the idea from Terminator from Harlan's old 'outer Limits' television episode: soldier.

Harlan Ellison won and not only did they have to pay him, they had to change the titles of the film to give him credit. (you can even check it on IMDB.com) :)

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Ideas forming in parallel like this seem to happen all the time.

I think it's proof that humanity has a shared collective unconscious...




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See it makes you the idiot and not them. Before you send 'anything' in to 'anyone' you should first have proof that it's your idea and based or is your work. There are many ways of doing this, such as keeping a copy of the piece for yourself, a photocopy of the envelope that proves you sent Sci-Fi channel your work etc.,

But the main thing is to have the TITLE and your work COPYRIGHTED and thus if they 'steal' it you can sue.

If you did any of those things, then you may just have a case. If you did none of them then you're just an idiot.

:)

'...the ultimate ending, is war itself.'

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Jeez, everybody back off.

Yes convergent evolution happens all the time, in the the real worlds of biology, tech development (Tesla, Marconi, and the USN aside), and plot ideas.

I have had many a plot idea appear in my head, but being inherently lazy, never developed them beyond 3x5 cards.

In a couple of books I read entire scenes, just like some I had plotted but had never described to anyone, and complained to a friend.

He said:
"What're complaining about?
It just proves that there is a collective unconcious."

I think he's right.
I also think that without backing one should keep one's ideas to one's self.

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nammage wrote:

> But the main thing is to have the TITLE and your work COPYRIGHTED and thus if they 'steal'
> it you can sue.


The worst he can do is listen to someone such as you who has no clue about the law and the copyright act. You can't copyright a title. If someone steals your title and you try and sue them you won't win. Plain & simple.


I hope you don't distribute medical advice the same way you do with legal advise. Maybe you should stick to what you actually DO know.

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I really for some reason thought you were wrong about coprighting a title... so I went to the source and alas you were right so I figured that I would share what I found, so here is a copy and paste from http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html


WHAT IS NOT PROTECTED BY COPYRIGHT?

Several categories of material are generally not eligible for federal copyright protection. These include among others:

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Works that have not been fixed in a tangible form of expression (for example, choreographic works that have not been notated or recorded, or improvisational speeches or performances that have not been written or recorded)
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Titles, names, short phrases, and slogans; familiar symbols or designs; mere variations of typographic ornamentation, lettering, or coloring; mere listings of ingredients or contents
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Ideas, procedures, methods, systems, processes, concepts, principles, discoveries, or devices, as distinguished from a description, explanation, or illustration
*

Works consisting entirely of information that is common property and containing no original authorship (for example: standard calendars, height and weight charts, tape measures and rulers, and lists or tables taken from public documents or other common sources)



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Thanks for that link. I've been wondering about copyright myself :-)

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nammage:

As a published writer of novels and freelance work, I can tell you with unequivocal truth that what you are suggesting does not go over in a court of law. There are theories about mailing your manuscript to yourself and not opening it as a way to protect your rights to written material without ever having to pay for a copyright. It doesn't work that way.

The ONLY way to protect your work is to write it all down in a manuscript/screenplay/etc... format and then pay the fees required, make the required copies, and follow the other guidelines according to the copyright office in Washington DC. Then, you have to take the time to send the material into their office and wait for your copyright letter containing the certification. Again, this is the ONLY way to hold onto any rights to any material written by you.

Of course, if you get into a tussle with a corporate movie studio, other novelist, or anyone else who stole your work, then you have to hire an attorney and have that attorney not only receive your work where you retained a copy but also have that attorney request a copy of your work from the Library of Congress' copyright office. It can add up to huge expensive fees but if the work is enough alike that a judge can say without a doubt your work is stolen, you will receive benefits and damages. Otherwise, you are wasting your time.

I went about it the easy way. I copyright my work and in addition to this, I have an attorney go over any contracts, including my copyright certification, to ensure it is up to date with whatever I would need in case of theft from another party or organization.

It is an important part of the procedure. Follow procedure and you stand half a chance to fight back. Do not follow procedure and risk losing your work as well as a possible huge sum of money. It only takes one piece, one written piece to put you on the map. It's hard to get there but if you ever make it you certainly want to be sure all previous works have protection because then they have a second shot at life at a later time after the first piece makes it to the hands of a decent publisher, agent, or production agency.

PaisleyPlace

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Okay, I stated that 2 YEARS AGO!

I've learned a little since then. I didn't read what you wrote because it is of no relevance to me now since i already know all the information I need to know for my own writing.

I think it would have been better if you responded 2 years ago when I made my initial comment above - don't you think?

Yeah, I think so.

'...the ultimate ending, is war itself.'

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Well Sweetheart,

I have some odd but well-known news for you. I didn't read your post two years ago. I read it today and since nobody else mentioned the fact your idea was false, I wanted to be certain that I did post the real facts regarding copyright law in case someone DID read your post today and felt it competent enough to protect their rights so if that offends you, too bad and get over yourself.

BTW, two years ago I was in the middle of editing session following editing session not to mention in and out of an attorney's office so I didn't have the opportunity to read your spill because I was too busy with my own work, which went to publishing last year.

Sorry to burst your bubble of hatred but I am glad that you learned the truth even if you didn't have the courtesy to post your new-found results the minute you found them.

PaisleyPlace

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Do not call me "sweetheart". Sarcastic or not. And someone did mention it was false: by - trebor_trancheplanete (Fri Oct 15 2004 19:11:09 ) -- put on some glasses and learn to read.

There ya go.



'...the ultimate ending, is war itself.'

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Sweetheart:

I can read and obviously can write. More so, at least I know copyright laws, whereas you did not so stop pouting and get over yourself.

Paisleyplace

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Yeah, I 'did not" 2 years ago. Who'pouting. Egotistical much?

'...the ultimate ending, is war itself.'

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You are right, you are the one with the ego issues so get over yourself. I'm not the one pouting so therefore don't hold your grudges against me. I know the laws and have for many years. It was as simple as doing a google search for the copyright office in Washington, DC. Obviously, you didn't have the time to do that much so again, get over yourself and put your ego back in the dark corner where it belongs.

PaisleyPlace

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If you think you came up with the idea of 'darklight' or a supernatural hero (or heroine) fighting for mankind, you are cracked in the head. The best writers are ones who know literature, backwards and forwards. The idea of a young man saving earth with his magic powers goes back to probably the first myths and legends ever told or written down.

Stories like this are universal. They are told and retold in thousands of different ways, different settings, different details. Read Joseph Campbell's "The Hero With The Thousand Faces" for God's sake. Or Chris Vogler's "The Writer's Journey." The originality comes in the shaping of the story, not the story arc itself.

If you ever write something and want to be compensated for your work, don't give it away on the Internet for free. If you have an idea, write it in proper script or treatment format, get representation, and go through the right channels.

~*~*~*
TheHellcat
meow. claws. hiss. purr. get it?

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Why are you guys even debating this? It's fairly obvious that he was lying in the first place...

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yeah those jerk offs stole my idea for hammerhead: shark frenzy! i was thinking about how to make a movie that was totally worthless, but back in 1957 before i was even born i thought to myself half man half shark and d-list actors would make a sweet peice of crapola. come to think of it, i dont understand bigfoot not suing sci-fi for Abominable i mean casting Lance Hanrickson in another sasquatch film was just uncalled for, im sure Richard Greico was available. i cant believe someone actually started this post.

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Hey no dissing Richard Grieco.
He has child support payments to make.
It's not like Johnny Depp is knocking at his door.

I have my own opinions...shock...horror

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Nah, they didn't steal it. It's just that the entire movie was one humongous two hour cliche that it just seems the same. Next time copyright your ideas before sending them in.

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