Absolutely boring

It was shown with subtitles at the Toronto Film Festival and all indications are that this is how it will be shown in other non-Spanish speaking countries.

I agree that dubbing would be a big mistake.

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Flattery will convince me of your discerning taste.

I'm quite surprised this question keeps coming up, even from people in English-speaking countries. I have never heard of a single Spanish film dubbed into English. Has anyone ever seen one? How many films get dubbed into English from any language at all? Probably only cartoons and kungfu movies.

Now, having said that, I think that the confusion might come from Pérez-Reverte and others saying that they wouldn't allow dubbing in ANY language, not even the ones that routinely dub Spanish films, because they say that the language is so important in this film. But - if the words are going to have to be translated anyway for subtitling, what's the problem with dubbing, if it's a habit in that country? What's never going to happen is that foreign audiences will have to understand the film in Spanish.

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Text of a post that you and/or catpetal improperly reported on the VM board. As administrators note, the abuse reporting feature is not to be used for reporting petty quarrels. If you don't like what someone has said about you, put them on ignore.

This is for those of you who don't swallow samantha3 stories hook, line and sinker, and particularly for those who suspect that she crossed the bounds of common decency long ago with her arrogant, abusive posts on the A History of Violence board. It sounds as if there may be more than a few of you on this board.

What actually happened was this.

I encountered samantha3 on the History of Violence board around August 2006. At that time the board was more active, and samantha was the subject of numerous complaints. Chief among them: her personal attacks - lists were even made of them - and her flagrant violation of IMDb terms and conditions by reporting posts to the administrators solely because they criticized (1) the movie (2) Viggo's acting (3) or some combination of the above. She and catpetal also violated IMDb board etiquette repeatedly by "deliberately hijacking a thread to discuss off-topic matters" whenever they felt that other posters were getting the better of an argument.

Several posters complained politely to her to no avail. It was then that I stepped in. I felt that if samantha was going to make a sadistic career out of mocking other posters, I was going to make it just a little less fun for her. Which I did, because she disappeared from the board for weeks after I began and returned, in true narcissist fashion, with the thread title "samantha is back."

Who is Jean? She is the fake name I was under when he hacked -- or I suspect had someone else do it -- into a fan website and destroyed the entire mailing list in an effort to find me

This story was one samantha concocted slowly and elaborated upon over weeks and months. Any of you who ever saw the Pathological Liar character Jon Lovitz created for SNL will get the idea.

Did I hack a website? Did I know or read anything by samantha before reading her posts on the AHOV board? Of course not. I simply looked at samantha's posting history at IMDb. At the time, the first thread was one she posted on the Ruby Cairo/ Deception board in late 2005. She identified herself in the text of the post as "Jean." Sometime later I looked up the movie at Amazon and lo and behold! I found a review written by one "Jean Bond" that sounded exactly like samantha. Thereafter I called her Jean. I figured that a coward who attacks people anonymously might feel more chastened and clean up her act if you called her by her real first name instead of a screenname.

That got him some FBI attention -- rare for such small fry, but it does happen -- a $10,000 fine and a six-month jail sentence --suspended, alas, for a first offense. I gave evidence, so I know what happened to him, and the FBI people told me some things to use to watch out if he ever does track me down in real life"

This, folks, is what's known as the Big Lie. If you're a narcissist, and you're using these boards to construct a fantasy persona, you might as well come up with the biggest and most appealing lie possible. That's right, you know the one. It's the samantha-is-being-avidly-and-dangerously-pursued-by-a-virile-male-who-might-assault-her-at-any-moment story. A sense of danger earns sympathy and encourages other board members to rally around.

Of course the truth is so much simpler, the humdrum but far more plausible account as I gave it.

and was thrown off after he posted the same huge screed attacking me (and others) 17 times. He kept count, and said he would keep doing it until someone stopped deleting it.

I didn't "attack others" but so far so good. The "someone" who was filing all the false abuse reports was samantha and catpetal. No one else was incensed by what I was saying about samantha. Many had come to similar conclusions about her some time ago.

IMDb took exception.

No, samantha and catpetal just gave up trying to get the post deleted.

I think admin may have been doing the deleting.

Written in a naive tone as if samantha isn't crystal clear about who was doing the abuse reporting. (Samantha and catpetal.) As for why the IMDb deleted my posts? They get so many of those that the vast majority of them are deleted automatically. But every so often they check. That ended up getting Catpetal1 in trouble back in the summer of 2007. She wound up having to set up a new account (the present catpetal-1) before she figured out how to reauthenticate the old one. Needless to say I never got into trouble because it's not against IMDb rules to complain about another poster's behavior on the boards as long as you don't use foul language or post the person's private information. (Anyone who wants proof has only to ask and I will repost the post they deleted 17 times for you right here. It's still on the Eastern Promises board.) I left for some time afterwards in part because I could no longer make the time but also because I lost interest and felt satisfied. Most people were already forewarned about samantha on the Eastern Promises board, the History of Violence board was no longer active, and that "infamous" post (which I reposted 17 times) stayed put.

for someone to go to such extremities just to get to the fascinating Sam!

That's the crux of it. Samantha figured out a way to turn a liability into an advantage: turn herself into a martyr and create a fantasy of her being desired. The classic narcissist fantasy.

It was a VM fan site he was convicted for messing up.

I think this is one of the weaker links in her story since I'm not interested in Viggo one way or another. (Do I sound like someone who gets off on bashing celebrities?) If this really happened, why doesn't she specify which site it was? Why doesn't she back up her story with testimonials from friends on that website?

Maybe you should ask her.

I don't even know how the FBI found out my connection -- perhaps he told them?

Ok, I have no idea what this means. Perhaps samantha could start by clarifying exactly what month and year this "hacking" incident took place. The problem with lies, though, is that the more specific you get, the greater the danger that the whole yarn will unravel. Samantha knows this better than anyone.

He pretends it never happened, but then I suppose he might.

Unless of course it didn't happen, in which case I wouldn't have to pretend.

. I hope while he was obsessed he at least didn't abuse someone in his real life

I wonder about you too, samantha. I wonder if you're as abrasive and arrogant in real life. I suspect you are, or close to it anyway. My guess is that you talk more or less like you write. Could that be one reason why you spend so much time online? Who in real life could actually put up with you? Maybe not even catpetal.

Sometimes things like that serve as safety valves, to keep people from beating their spouses or kicking the dog

Samantha should know. She apparently uses IMDb as a safety valve as well as a place she can create her ideal mature-and-married self. The self that wasn't hurt and left alone and ignored in real life.

He's a coward.

For what? For chastising her for her online sadism? It seems that many people even on this board accuse her of more or less the same thing. I'd say the real coward is someone who beats up on kids and other harmless types online for years on end.

I suspect you're just jealous because you don't have a serious cyberstalker.

Samantha's give-away sentence. It tells you why she went to such lengths to create such an elaborate story involving hacking and the FBI. She's a narcissist who uses the internet to concoct narcissistic fantasies no one can ever disprove. Before she invented the story about hacking she circulated a similar one on the History of Violence board. Although she was vague about it, she alleged that she was a victim of male violence and had to take martial arts classes (to ward off all those men who have committed the unpardonable sin of leaving her alone.)

To anyone who's saving the above for later reading, I suggest you copy & paste it now before samantha and/or catpetal report it to the admins.