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Why isn't Simon in the top 250 list??????


There's something I don't and can not understand. As we all can see, Simon has a rating of 8,4 according everybody on IMDB, but why the hell isn't he in the top 250 list! The list starts with a rating of 7,9 if I'm not mistaking! That movie should be in the list, because it deserves to be!

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The film has a too less amount of votes. When the film receives more votes and it still has an average of 8.4, it will enter the top 250.

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That and enough IMDB regulars have to vote for it in order for it to appear in the top 250.

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I also do not understand it.

Simon scores a 8.4/10 with only 651 votes. So perhaps that are too little votes, since Der Untergang gets a 8.4/10 (8,174 votes) and it listed at the 117th place.
But when you look Bowling for Columbine, it scores a 8.5 with 36,827 votes, but it is not listed in the top 250. So what is the logic behind this?

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Bowling for Columbine is a documentary so it cannot enter the list.
The top 250 does not include this genre.

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They have a formula that gives their Top 250 vote... It is not the vote you see on the film's main page. I thought you could find the formula when you click the Top 250 list, has to be somehwere there. It needs votes from -regular- voters to enter, that is a given.

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I believe Top 250 doesn't include documentaries with the express purpose of excluding Moore's movies.

The list also excludes Short Movies (so no more Wallace and Gromit) and about two years ago a bizarre decision was made to remove *beep* Amal from the Top 250 list because of its title (aparently, it's not even possible to enter the movie title in the Board, because it get beeped out. Here's the movie I'm talking about: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150662/)

And as for the original question - Simon is not in, because the movie needs at least 1250 votes to be considered.

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it is in the comedy one.

Note to self - stop making notes to yourself

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Reading IS difficult!

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It is in this list though, which compiles the highest rated (not best) movies of the current decade (2000 - now).

my ass may be dumb, but I am not a dumbass.

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The formula is written below the top 250!

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And when the right data is entered.

((979 / (979 + 1 250)) * 8.5) + ((1 250 / (979 + 1 250)) * 6.8) = 7.54665769

Which means no ranking in top250 .. When votes below 1250 it does not work as you can see.

When entered a higher votes number, it still won't get a spot.

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and about two years ago a bizarre decision was made to remove *beep* Amal from the Top 250 list because of its title

My God! That's absolutely ridiculous! It's bad enough that they beep out words on the boards but this is just downright idiotic. Maybe they should exclude Requiem for a Dream too, people have sex in that movie!

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Porn movies are also listed on IMDb.

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and about two years ago a bizarre decision was made to remove *beep* Amal from the Top 250 list because of its title


It's not true. The movie currently resides at 296th position and does simply not have a high enough rating to take a place in the Top 250.

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Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.

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Zelda: How can you see that this movie on rank 296? Have you got the Top 500 or even 1000 list? If so, can you please post it?

Cheers

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How can you see that this movie on rank 296? Have you got the Top 500 or even 1000 list?


On IMDb Pro you can see the Bubbling Under Films, numbers 250 to 500. FA has dropped to 297 now.

If so, can you please post it?


No, that's information intended for IMDb Pro users only and I'm not giving the entire list away, especially not since my account is a free account.


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Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.

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Hi Zelva!

How did you get this free account? Just curious.....

Thanks!


Click on my name to see my collection, movies I would like to see/buy, and my vote history.

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"The movie currently resides at 296th position and does simply not have a high enough rating to take a place in the Top 250."

While it may currently be true that the movie is not included because its rating is _currently_ too low, let me just point out that when the movie in question dropped out from Top 250 list, it _did_ have high enough rating to be in Top250, which could be easily verified by the fact that movies with lower rating and fewer votes were on the list (such as Killing Fields or French Connection).

Incidentally, the movie was removed from the list about the same time when other changes to Top250 (such as removing documenataries and short films) were made, so I will just stick with my opinion that it was removed by some overzealous moderator because of its potentially offensive title.

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which could be easily verified by the fact that movies with lower rating and fewer votes were on the list


Nonsense. That can never be verified. For the Top 250 rating only votes from regular users are counted and there's no way to know which votes are from regular users or what their average is, unless the movie actually is in the Top 250.

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Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.

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It is number 9 in the top comedy listing

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First of all, it has to do with the amount of votes.

Second, it's not in the Top 250 because there are at least 250 movies which are better than Simon. Eventhough, it's a good movie! Don't get me wrong.

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Your first point is correct. A film needs 1300 votes by regular voters to be eligible for the top 250. I don't know what constitutes a regular voter, but I guess an account needs some minimum number of votes for that. If anybody knows the specifics, I'm interested.

Your second point is that Simon doesn't belongs in the top 250 because you say so. Solely based on your own opinion. That's not how the list works. It's based on all people's opinions combined. Somewhere in the near future when regular voter #1300 casts his vote for this fine movie we will find out. So far we are looking at a top 50 position.

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It is on the ninth place in the top-100 comedy list.

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Does anyone here has a 'pro' account? On which place is this in the ranking of all movies?

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When I used the top 250-formula just now, it got to a rating of 7.82. Mulholland Drive, number 249, has a 7.88 rating when you use the formula, so actually and if my information is correct, it's not too far off.

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The only thing that sucks about this website is its rankings. They are so inaccurate.

This movie is awesome. It's probably the first Dutch movie I've seen. I loved it.

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only votes from regular IMDb voters are considered when creating the top 250 out of the full voting database. This explains any difference between the vote averages reported in the top 250 and those on the individual movie pages. This also explains why movies you might think from their averages ought to appear on the list yet do not actually appear there.
(From http://www.imdb.com/help/search?domain=helpdesk_faq&index=1&file=notintop250).

And for your information, Simon is listed 329th with a 7.8 on the top 500 available on IMDbPro (for those who can access Pro: http://pro.imdb.com/chart/bubbling.html)

Marco.

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Because only 3000 people has seen it. Use your head please. Theres many films with above 9 ratings but only 100 people has seen it. You dont see the 100 people asking that dumb question. brouwerboudewijn if you have a brain please try to use it.

My feet smells like *beep* Its becuase I stepped on dog poop.

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Well it should be in the Top 250! this movie was great!

one of the best i've seen in a while

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There are movies with less than 3000 votes on the top 250 list. I don't understand why IMDB doesn't respect the Simon voters by not putting this movie on the Top #250 list.

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