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What is going on with the dialogue?


Ok, I watched this movie expecting it to be a quality indie flick but half-way through the movie I just stopped watching it, which is not normal for me at all. In my opinion, the dialogue is out-of-place and ridiculous. I understand what the director was trying to do with the dialogue. But this film came out in 2006 and the characters were still in high school, I cannot believe that anyone in high school acted nor talked like this in 2006. I'm sorry; I really am. I hate to criticize a movie that everyone loves so much but the dialogue for me was just too unbelievable.

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In my opinion, the dialogue is out-of-place and ridiculous. I understand what the director was trying to do with the dialogue.

I cannot believe that anyone in high school acted nor talked like this in 2006
No offense but to me the unrealistic weird hipster dialog WAS what the director was trying to do. In no way was the movie meant to be realistic :)

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Hipster dialogue?
This is hardboiled slang from Noir films and pulp novels.

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No it isn't. It is a nod to those things, but this is a new vernacular that never existed and that is what makes it so clumsy. If it was sprinkled here and there it would be a well seasoned story, but it is thrown out there in such a way that it is hard to digest.

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No it isn't.
Yes, it is.

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> Yes, it is.

No it isn't

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

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It was a mix of both I would say. Bulls being cops for example, has been a staple of noir films and novels since the beginning...


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That's not an argument. It's just contradiction.

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No it isn't.



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yes it is

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Is this a six year argument or the full decade?

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So why did you go see the movie? If you wanted realism you could go listen to kids talk at school for free rather than pay to sit in a theater

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So why did you go see the movie?


Because I expected to enjoy the movie, same as everyone else who has watched this movie.

If you wanted realism you could go listen to kids talk at school for free rather than pay to sit in a theater


You're right; I could go to my high school and see realism first hand. In fact I do it every day. Disregarding the fact that this movie hasn't been in theaters for over 6 years what is the point you're trying to make?

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Nothing to do with being challenged or trolling you.
You seem to want realism in a fiction medium. This is art not realism. It's done to entertain. If you want realism go see documentary of some sort.

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To shurbanm, sorry that's my signature. It wasn't directed at you. But to address your point, why can't I watch movies about realism? There are many many fantastic movies that are intended to be realistic. I think the more pertinent point should be that this movie specifically did not intend to have realistic dialogue. Also, as a final point there is a massive amount of art out there that is intended to be realistic and objective, look up Objectivist Art.

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I did not say there aren't movies that are realistic but by an large the genre does not presuppose realism. It is fiction.
That is why I suggested if you necessarily expect realism watch a documentary.

Yes of course it didn't. This was a bit of film noire from a new angle.

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I'm watching this film now and enjoying it tremendously. However, were I not already familiar with the Film Noir genre I'd be completely confused and lost. As it is I'm laughing and sad at the same time. The noir dialogue coming from high school students and the principal taking on the role of the cop is brilliant!

It's obvious this concept went over the heads of most of the posters here. They blame the film for their own failure to comprehend its complexities. That's how it goes, isn't it?

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Johnson was a fan of Dashiell Hammett and writers like him that wrote a lot of the "hard-boiled" crime fiction in the 30's and 40's which became the basis for most films noirs. Therefore, there's quite a bit of jargon and colloquilisms used. Add on the fast paced nature of the dialogue delivery and you have a movie that you need to pay VERY close attention to if you want to understand everything that's going on. It took me three viewings before I really nailed down the plot intricacies and I had to use earbuds. This being said, if you don't care for film noir, you won't get this film at all. Just image Double Indemnity taking place in a high school setting and things will make more sense.

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Thank you for that explanation. It helps a lot in understanding why the dialogue was written such that way. Maybe I can watch it again sometime soon taking that into account.

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and also to add to what above posters have mentioned I think you could argue that high school is just a microcosm for a a larger more corrupt society. Sort of similar to One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, I mean even though I know drugs and suspicious activites can and do take place in high school the manner in which they are dealt with and the way the characters act in the movie seems to be intended to make us believe that we are watching adults rather than high school teenagers. Right down to the fact that the Vice Principal has little to no contact with or control over the students so perhaps indicating a sort of powerless authority figure like a Mayor or Police Chief figure in a corrupt town. So maybe instead of watching the movie thinking "this is a story about kids in high school" think of it as a typical film noir detective story with the characters like Lauren, Kara, the Pin etc all being the typical stock characters you would expect to see in that style of film ie: the questionable love interest, the seductress, the gangster/mobster rather than teenagers they are. Or if you've seen Sin City it's similar to that especially Marv and Dwight's stories. So to sum up they may be teens but they are actually symbolically adults if that makes sense.

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LadyN1 - That makes perfect sense. I hope to watch it again sometime soon keeping this all in mind. And as a current high schooler, believe me, drug activity as shown in this film is not unusual.


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The dialogue isn't realistic. It isn't how people talk in high school... It's a noir. The dialogue is, for the most part, a throwback to detective films of the 50's and 60's. If the dialogue was similar to every other high school film, people wouldn't be talking about years later.

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I agree it was like Sin City dialogue.

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The dialogue- the whole film really- is more of an omage, a tribute to film noir. I, and many others, of course had a hard time understanding it. But it was done, in my opinion, with such precision and passion that it worked. It exists in its own universe, its own world, and it pulls it off. One of the line I can't stop myself from laughing at is excellent. "If you've got disciplinary issues with me then write me up or suspend me, and I'll see you at the parent-teacher conference." I love that line, its great and delievered with a straight face. Again, think of it as a tribute to Bogart films. Consider the scene where (very minor spoiler) Brendon attacks Dode early on. First look at the visuals, the way he slaps his face side to side, the sound it makes, and the shot order. Very old fashioned, before one of the best lines in the film, something along the lines of "You Hash-Hags want to start something remember I got all five senses and I slept last night that puts me six up on the lot of ya." Of course it's not realistic, but it's fun.

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I understood the dialogue fine and knew what the director was trying to do, but I still thought it was just an awkward idea that didn't really work in my mind. I know a lot of critics liked it, but I just thought it was a bit ridiculous. I think if the movie was intended to be a dark comedy I would have been able to accept it a bit better, but I just can't take that style of dialogue and ultra-serious melodramatic acting seriously, especially from high school students. It just reads as a big mountain of cheese to me.

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...how exactly would my distaste for melodramatic teenagers make you think Hannah Montana would be my preferred choice?

I'm not saying film noir never works. I just don't think it works in a high school setting unless it's a joke. This whole film reads as EXTREMELY amateur and reminds me way too much of some crap film student project brought about by tight deadlines, tighter budgets, and lack of experience and sleep. I am not too stupid to see the way the filmmaker ported over one trope from grown-up movies to a bunch of teenagers. This has been done in TONS of teen movies - the process is not impressive, different, or surprising. Just because I don't like something that you like does not mean I don't understand it.

I wanted very much to like this movie. I like the lead actor a lot, I think he's very talented. The movie just fell short in nearly every conceivable way for me.

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How many times are you going to post the same thing and completely ignore the responses? Please take the stick out of your ass, pay attention, and respond with some level of intelligence.

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I agree with you, that guy really needs to take it out. It's not helping his case and doesn't make him look good. Of course, if the person is a she, then put her/she and such in place of he/his etc...

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Agree, Why not just remove it from the High School environment and made it a legitimate Noir, it would have worked much better.

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The dialogue pays homage to Raymond Chandler and Dashiell Hammett IMO specifically The Big Sleep and The Maltese Falcon. IF you watch bot of those a few times and get the dialogue fixed in your head and then watch Brick you can see some of the scenes for both of those movies remade in Brick. The DA scene from The Big Sleep is about a 75% match to the Ass-VP scene in Brick along with the Eddie Mars confrontation scene in the middle of the Big Sleep is close to the confrontation scene with Tug. Also might be noticed is how Laura and Brigid O'Shaughnessy are kinda a similar person using who ever they can to get what they want.

I can see how it's difficult to follow and with out having seen those two movies or having been much in to those two authors it can be hard to appreciate, i had wanted to see Brick for a while and happened to see it after going on a Noir binge and it only helped me to like the movie even more.

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Yes! I read The Maltese Falcon for the first time recently and the scene when Brendon says to Laura, "Oh you are dangerous" it is from that book line for line! I was so excited when I read it, I was like oh that's where he got it from! I have watched the movie with the commentary on, and the director pretty much says this movie is a crash course in film noir. It is like the ultimate film noir mash up but set in high school just to throw off the people that "don't get why they're talking funny". That is actually how I saw this movie. I read a review that said if you have never seen a black and white detective film, you won't understand anything any of the characters are saying. That's when I knew I had to see it! This movie is in my top 5 of all time and Joseph Gordon Levitt immediately became one of my favorite actors upon seeing it. But then again, I grew up watching all of Humphrey Bogart's movies. I don't rewatch movies often but I have seen Brick over and over. It is a confusing film. I won't lie, I probably didn't fully get the whole picture until like viewing six or seven and I still catch new things every time I see it. That is the hallmark of a truly good film.

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I could not agree more. Its dialog is stuck somewhere between old school gangster speak (which I feel is what the intent was, a nod to that era) and the traditional mob style movies. However, it is too labored. It isn't working. When you watch an old film noir period piece, it makes sense because people actually spoke that way. The same can be said for mobster movies. This however does not flow. The dialog becomes a speed bump which slows down the entire flow of your senses and you try and take it in. I want to like this, but it becomes fatiguing. I love some of the visuals but I did not finish it. I did not care enough about the characters to try and deal with the language.

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the main character is unbelievable i recon, who in real life would go though all that for no possible hope of reward? or did he know that the knowledge of how she died would be his reward, once he found the answers? anyway i liked it, silly slang and all.

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