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Ending not clear to me *** MAJOR SPOILER ALERT ***


I really loved this series, but the ending leaves me with so many questions unanswered, it gives the whole thing a bit of a sour aftertaste. I really want to get rid of that so:

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OK, Exile is some sort of spaceship. From what I can make of it, in it's "cocooned" state it hid inside the Grand Stream, which it made itself, thus (unintentionally?) influencing the climate and separating the two warring countries.
And here is where I get confused: how did the Guild get a hold of it? Are the Guild (descendants of) the original buiders of Exile? And if so, how come they were not able to control it? Where did Al come from? Is she a descendent from the "aliens"? And if she had died, would Exile never have started? Are we to believe that a ship so advanced as Exile uses something as mortal and unreliable as a kid for an ignition key?
Besides that: Claus and Lavie find their fathers Vanship, which was INSIDE Exile (subs litarally state that) but just before that we see Exile float in space. How were they able to make it come back? Later we even see it hovering over the sea, in the scene with the graves of Klaus and Lavie's father (you see two names and the hood ornament from their Vanship on the grave, so it must be theirs). Story-wise I can understand that bij "starting up" Exile it has served its purpose (by "releasing" the world from its influence it had by means of the Grand Stream) but hey: there's still a more than 5 km big space ship hanging there! Apparently the can get inside, they seem to be able to control it, but they're doing nothing with it! Where did it come from? Where is it going? Who built it? What are they going to do with it? I mean, come on: can't you see how unsatisfying this is? They could have avoided most of these questions by letting Exile go out with a (spectecular) bang, but now it's literally and figuratively still hanging there.
Can anyone please make sense of this for me?

Thanks

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First of all, welcome to the Gonzo series :) They always leave some things unclear.

Second, sry for my english, but I'm gonna try to explain how I see it.

THIS IS ONLY HOW I SEE THE SERIES.

First of all, something forced humans to abandon earth (maybe nuclear war or something), they travelled into space and build themselves a new world. The world was hourglass shaped, they started living inside it. Last Exile was the ship that they used for travelling, they stored the ship in the new world for the time they could go back. They divided the world into 2 sides, one side lived in one end of the hourglass, others lived in the other end. Grand stream was between them (in the bottleneck of hourglass) and was necessary for holding atmosphere between the cold (wet) side and the warm (dry) side. One side was really cold for living, other side was warm but had a lack of water. The rulers of humankind (like presidents and scientists) started guild: It had to rule the mankind and keep last exile's secret and activation key (it was somehow transmittet into their genes). They made many houses inside guild and each house had a secret that was necessary for activating spaceship.
After a long time, they all forgot about it, the guild became cruel leaders and hold all advanced technology for themselves. But then one side (the cold one) found out how to travel through the grand stream (they followed birds). They started a war against the other side, since they wanted to live in warm too.
Series start when the war has lasted a long time. The little girl is only one who is closely related to the original rulers and therefore has right genes for starting spaceship (last exile). Guild knew that something was going on and killed the girls parents but couldn't kill the girl.

No-one in the series knew what exile was/is (not even guild). They had forgotten it. But in the end of the series, when they activate Exile, they all travel (inside the Exile) outside the hourglass and back to earth (it's healed from the disaster). The last scenes are actually from earth, not from Claus/Lavine's home.

That how I see it, of course it has many loose ends.
Like if u live inside a hourglass, how can u see sun and stars. Well one of the guild members (the old guy who had abandon guild and lived in Silvana) told Dio something about weather control unit. He said it's not working properly. On one point Tatiana's navigator also said that the stars are changing position and she can't navigate anymore. Maybe they projected the sky somehow.
Ok there are too many loose ends to talk about them all :) I have wathced it many times and if I but everything together this is the only way i see it. There are small scenes from here and there where they show maps or smthing similar, u have to rewatch to get a proper view.

Ah ok I hope that helped you :)

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Exile was the ship that first brought colonists to the hourglass world thousands of years ago. It happened so long ago that people have fogotten about it and Exile became something of a myth, the stuff of legend. The implication seems to be that humanity as a whole had to leave Earth. No reason is ever given but the fact that the ship is literally called Exile does bring to mind several possibilities. The Guild appear to be descended from the people who operate and control conditions in the colony world. There were four principle ruling families in the Guild: the Eracles family which Dio and Delphine are from, Doguber which the Silverna's Chief Engineer is from, Bassianus which Prime Minister Marius is from, and Hamilton which Alvis is from. Each family had possession of one of the mysteriums which were four questions that were integral in the activation of Exile. These questions would be asked to a female member of the Hamilton family, whose role would be that of the key, and the answers that she would provide would activate Exile. Alvis is the last living female member of the Hamilton family so it was just the way things turned out it wasn't like she was the only person who could ever be the key to Exile it was just the luck of the draw.

About ten to twenty years (possibly even more than that) before the start of the program the Eracles family attempts to gain total control of the Guild by wiping out the other three families. They succeed for the most part while a few members of each family managed to escape to Anatorey (Clause and Lavie's home). In the process of purging the families the mysterium are lost and the key to Exile is lost as well. Marius from the Bassiunas family manages to get to Anatorey and is appointed Prime Minister by the Emperor. He supplies the Emperor with information about the Guild, Exile, and the ongoing war with Disith. The Disith homeland is slowly dieing and their attempting to conquer and colonize Anatorey. Because the Guild mediates between the two sides and never allows them to meet face to face neither side is capable of truly understanding the other.

The Guild, in fact, goes through a lot of trouble to keep the war going. With their control of the weather they freeze Disith and heat up Anatorey causing resource shortages. When Anatorey attempted to send a peace accord to Disith the vanship was attacked and prevented from reaching its destination. Delphine explains all of this as being her way of controlling the population levels in the world. Her reasoning is that the world can only support so many people so in effect she feels that she's saving the people from themselves. What she is doing is instituting population checks which, if you look at history, do tend to naturally occur varying from war to drought to famine. All tend to occur when a population becomes too big for the land to support. But, again, these are naturally occuring. Delphine is intentionally doing all this. Besides she does seem to find some perverse enjoyment in watching these people suffer.



That's enough for now. I'll try to write some more later on.

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Excuse me, Did I miss something?
Where do you get that Hourglass thing?

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I notice Claus and Lavie found their dads' delivery message... which means it was lost all this time. How did Sophia get a hold of the message earlier?

Did Vince and the Urbanis get blown up? After Sophia fires at it, he was still alive after the hit, and it didn't show his death. So did he survive? What about the rest of the Urbanis?

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The one Sophia had was a replica, not the original.

I'm pretty sure that Vincent survived, though its been a while since ive seen it so I can't be sure.

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A lot of questions like the others have said not all can be answered and are actually left for the viewer to meld their experience into it. Questions that can be answered go to Wikipedia then search for Last Exile which has an episode guide with characters etc. Click on words within the article and who knows what you learn. A lot of anime and films are based on stories as old as mankind so get a little background in liteature and science. Expand your mind to enjoy.

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Wow, some good explanation here. Thanks, I've gained a deeper appreciation of the series (which I felt wasn't always very good at explaining itself).

When darkness overcomes the heart, Lil' Slugger appears...

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http://halo-productions.com/LastExile/

I finished the series about 2 hours ago and have spent that time finding what little information I can on the ending in hopes of better clarifying what actually occurs in the final two minutes. The above link is to an episode guide based off the old fansubs, but it does tie things up nicely.

take care,

allen

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Same here ..finished it 20 mins ago and though i thought i`d got most of the ending came here to be sure,For a while at first i wasn`t sure if this was by Miyasaki or not i mean it was just that well done,a very good series possibly my fav after Berserk and FMA

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As far as I've read and come to understand...

Exile was a prison ship (hence the name), and basically the world was like an Australia. It started off as inmates and such and just became its own world. The four Mysterium were held by the wardens of the ship (hence the guild having all the power and technology beyond the rest of the planet). Activating Exile allowed them to travel back to the world in which they came from, which I assume is Earth.

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This is what Wiki says:

Several hundred years before the anime series takes place, a colony ship named Exile carried the first colonists from Earth to Prester. Upon arrival and disembarking its passengers, it sealed itself in a cocoon, traveled to the bottleneck, and created the Grand Stream. It was programmed, if reactivated, to begin continually travelling back and forth between Earth and Prester, but until that time it was sealed away.

The organization called "The Guild," who presumably created Exile, had control of the weather and seasons on Prester, so they took over the sky (controlling it from their enormous airships), while the passengers began a new life on the ground. The Guild had four ruling families: the Eraclea family, the Dagobert family, the Hamilton family, and the Bassianus family. There were a few people infused with a special gene that made them the "Key to Exile." Each family was trusted with a short poem, called a "Mysterion." If all four Mysterion were spoken to someone who had the Key gene, and was within a mile of Exile, Exile would be released. Presumably, this was only to be used in case they needed to return to Earth for any reason.

Life went on peacefully for several hundred years. The Guild used Exile to control the weather and keep the peace. Though both countries were cut off from each other and only the Guild had the power to travel between the two, flocks of rainbirds began finding paths of relatively calm air through the Grand Stream that allowed them to cross.

Ten years before the anime takes place, Delphine Eraclea, the head of one of the Guild families, grew power-hungry and began killing off the members of the other three families, so she could assume control over the Guild. Only a few members escaped, and among them were the Keys to Exile. What Delphine Eraclea didn't understand was that without a Key to control Exile, the weather controller would malfunction. And the temperature on the Disith side began to cool down, and Anatoray began to heat up. But Delphine had become Maestro, and she did not care about that.

Disith was starting to freeze over, and its people realized that if they stayed there they were doomed. Then, Disith's leaders noticed that the flocks of rainbirds could travel between the two countries by finding small channels of calm air inside the Grand Stream, and they built a ship of their own and followed the birds through. But the people of Anatoray, who did not understand the Disith plight, did not allow Disith to colonize there. Disith's leaders, desperate, considered declaring war on Anatoray.

But the war was almost averted when a sect of the Anatoray government reconsidered. They dispatched four young vanship pilots, Hamilcar Valca, George Head, Alex Row and Alex's fiancé Euris, to bear a message of peace to Disith, and offer a compromise. They dared to take two vanships through the dreaded Grand Stream, using the same rainbird pattern.

But Maestro Delphine, who found the idea of a Disith-Anatoray alliance incompatible with her supremacy, decided to step in. Once the vanships were into the Grand Stream, she intercepted their route with her much larger Guild battleship, disrupting air flow and physically knocking the vanships around, sweeping them up in the current. Hamilcar, George and Euris were killed, but Alex Row managed to escape, catching a glimpse at the Exile, and the Maestro.

Disith never received the message of peace, and so they assumed that Anatoray had not reconsidered. They declared war on Anatoray. The ones in Anatoray who had reconsidered assumed that Disith had not, and so there were no options.

Delphine decided to step in and "help." She used the incredible technology of the Guild to create special warships for each country to use. But, fearing that the two countries might rise up against her, she made a special addendum to the ships: Each one would be powered by a special "Claudia Unit" located within the body of the ship. This Claudia unit would be unbreakable, and manned by several Guild soldiers, who with the push of a button could detach the unit from the ship, sending the Claudia unit (and the Guild soldiers inside it) up to safety, while sending the country's ship and its crew tumbling down to doom. This was primarily done if a ship was being shot down, but it could also be done if Delphine commanded it via radio.

And the war began, with the Guild carefully supervising.

Then, a resistance movement began. Alex Row stole an Anatoray warship, managed to recapture its Claudia unit, and converted it into a battleship, naming it the Silvana. He outfitted it with armor-piercing cannons that were capable of attacking a Guild warship, and recruited a small crew of mechanics and pilots that would help him fight the Guild. One of his recruits happened to be Sophia Forrester, the daughter of Anatoray's Emperor, who understood the threat that the Guild posed to the world. They learned that there was still one remaining person with the Key gene, a little girl from the Hamilton family named Alvis, and they developed a plan to rescue Alvis from Delphine, bring her into the Grand Stream where Exile was waiting, use Alvis to reawaken Exile, and destroy the Guild's power.

Ten years after that is when the anime takes place (see the Last Exile page for more details).

Once Exile was reactivated by Alvis, it dispersed the Grand Stream forever, restored the weather patterns to both countries (thus saving Prester's ecosystem on both sides) and began its pre-programmed behavior by continually travelling back and forth between the Earth and Prester.

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