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What an insulting piece of garbage


Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were GUILTY!!

This fact has been established by former KGB agents who worked with these two scumbags. And some people act as if there was any chance these two communist degenerates were not guilty.

Anyone who has any questions needs to read the "Venona" documents. It is firmly established that Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were spies for the Soviet Union.

This "pseudo-documentary" is nothing but revisionist history.















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America put the "fun" back into "Fundamentalism".

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You don't sound like someone I'd like to meet in a dark alley, but then again I wouldn't like to meet you in broad daylight either. I know you will be insulted by this statement, but so goes the turning world. You sound like a "true believer" of some ideology or perhaps just an "idiotology". Either way, the Sun does not go down on you and it never has.

Nothing exists more beautifully than nothing.

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It's obvious you didn't watch the film at all.

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It's obvious you did, and believed everything you saw.

The fact is, yes, the Rosenbergs were treated harshly and punished more severely than some others who had similar roles.

BUT THEY WERE GUILTY.

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I was a young man in the early 1950s, when frenzied anti-communism, led by such all-American neo-fascists as Joe McCarthy, Roy Cohn and J. Edgard Hoover, dominated American headlines and newscasts.

Julius Rosenberg was 'guilty' according to the 1995 release of the Verona documents, but guilty of exactly what? There is STILL no evidence that he passed on atomic secrets to the Soviets, which is ostensibly what he was executed for. I believe he was executed for other reasons as well, including anti-Semitism and his unrepetent socialism (which was legal in the U.S. and embraced by large numbers of people in that period).

The charges against him were so hysterical that he was widely seen as all but single-handedly helping the USSR to develop the A-bomb. Such was the intolerance, vengefulness and paranoia that were pervasive during the early days of the Cold War.

Implicit in Verona is the sacrosanct belief that the U.S. government always tells the truth. It is blatantly absurd now, and it was only less blatantly absurd then.

In Ivy Meerepol's wonderful documentary, it's perhaps the question of Ethel that is most intriguing. In the Verona documents, the KGB didn't seem to know her. She no doubt had knowledge of Julius's unspecified 'activities', but socialists of that period (as this film vividly shows in interviews) were people of honor, as contradictory and even outlandish as that might seem to blindly jingoistic, 'my country, right or wrong,' right-wing flag wavers.

Ethel could have saved herself, but she chose to die with her husband rather than 'name names,' a favorite McCarthyite blackmail tactic in those days. Many could not understand why she didn't speak out, why she didn't save herself and let Julius take the fall. But Ethel was an exceptionally moral and principled human being; she could reach no other decision but to die with her husband. In my eyes, it was a transcendantly heroic act. In this age, when people routinely sell out to the highest bidder, it is hard to imagine that standing up for principles could be, and was, a life-and-death act.

The power of Ivy Meerepol's documentary is that she shows Julius and Ethel Rosenberg as very real people who loved each other beyond any conventional understanding of love. They were doting parents who adored their children. Despite the bizarre and terrifying mass frenzy that prevailed at the time, they maintained a quiet defiance and dignity, something that infuriated government fascists and blood-thirsty citizens. They just couldn't understand it. One imagines, however obliquely, that the Rosenbergs were ultimately victorious.

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Not everything is a vast US government conspiracy. Some things are actually as they appear. The Rosenbergs were guilty. They got caught. They were punished. I feel bad for the children.

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If anybody were the victims, it was the two sons, Michael and Robert. As Ethel wanted to die alongside her husband. As she already missed him when he was executed in Sing Sing's electric chair.

People thought she was so arrogant and defiant over her political beliefs. The feds used her for leverage against her husband. So they thought, if they can execute him, they need to execute her. And that they cared about their political beliefs, over their children.

Don't know why she didn't turn on her husband, when he was doing wrong. Despite loving one another, he should had named names and saved both himself and his wife. But instead, they chosed to let two boys be orphaned and shunned by both of their families. Even to this day, Michael and Robert are shunned.

They could had turned out worse and could had been on the streets and been shunned elsewhere. But the loving couple that would adopt them, the Merepols, sorry if the name isn't spelled right. Took a chance and adopted them, and they lived for a long time. Living a normal life and even adopting their adopted parents names. Due to their attorney, who represented their biological parents.

You see, there is a reason for something. Ivy Merepol has stated that if Ethel were to live, she would be shunned everywhere. Wouldn't get a job or would be kicked out over her communist beliefs and what was taking place during that era. Even more worse for the two boys.

So Ethel chosed death and even though she may not had anything to do with it, but know of her husband's involvement and could had reported him. But it would seem her husband would hate her over it. Her husband and David and Ruth Greenglass were the ones that really did Ethel in. Ethel's crime was not reporting her husband. Plus in chosing death, she probably knew that she waned to give her sons a better life. And look at where they turned out. It could had been a lot more worse.

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Yes, the Rosenbergs were guilty, the Venona cables confirm that. But beyond that is a much more important point that many conservatives who comment on this blog fail to point out, that the Rosenbergs were EVIL! Anyone who followed an ideology of mass oppression and terror that murdered more people than the Nazis is evil. I know, many liberals will ask who am I to judge what is evil. But don't we do that with the Nazis all the time? I'll guarentee you that if an American couple was spying for Hitler instead of Stalin you wouldn't see all these leftwing posts defending them. Yet Stalin killed so many more people than Hitler did. The Rosenbergs were no more moral than Neo-Nazi skinheads. In fact, they spied for an ideology that was far more genocidal. They gave their lives for Stalin and his mass murdering regime. They were not heroes. They were agents of genocidal totalitarianism.

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Very true, as every historian knows by now.

But that won't convince the modern-day True Believers, who are just as addle-brained as the Rosenbergs and still believe those nice people were either completely innocent, or were totally justified in giving nuclear technology to that nice Josef Stalin and his peace-loving friends.

Liberalism, in its sickest state, is truly a religion, against which facts are useless.

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