why are so much people against Stanley ?


hmm?

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Yes, it's the typical arguments, namely that everyone's a racist. The prosecutors are racists, cops are racist, the jury, the witnesses, the media etc. Which means, I suppose, that it would be impossible to convict people like Tookie Williams, Mumia Abu Jamal etc. Of course, we all know that it was impossible to convict OJ. The thing that angers me is not people are in favor of saving Tookie's life, but how these people conveniently misrepresent the facts of the cases - made easier by the fact that the victims have no voice. Mike Farrell's been going on television, talking about how Tookie "might not be guilty." Has he looked at the case? The evidence of Tookie's guilt is overwhelming - the "circumstantial" evidence that Farrell refers to, namely Tookie's bragging of the murders. Since most murder cases rely on circumstantial evidence, I can only assume that the only evidence that would convince someone like Mike Farrell is a videotape made by The Pope.

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I think IF he really did murder those people he should die.I say that because if one of the victims were my loved one I would seriously want to extract revenge(death) on him with my own two hands.I don't know the full details of his case so I can't really come up with a real conclusion of whether or not he's guilty. I'm only stating how I would feel if one of the victims were someone I loved and it was proven that he did it.

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The people of California are sick to death of gangs. We believe that murderers must receive justice.

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So says the "witness" who says he heard it. Funny that that "witness" now himself locked up for a different murder commited AFTER Tokkie got locked up.

People are so quick to blindly believe the government's word, prosecutors' words, paid "witnesses" words and so on, yet all this happened after WATERGATE and BEFORE the IRAN/CONTRA Affair were we see quite clearly govrnment setting people up and lying about them to frame them up and to hide their own dirty deeds.

NO ONE CAN SAY TOOKIE IS GUILTY UNLESS THEY WERE THERE> THERE IS NO FORENSIC EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.

Quick quiz--- How many of you REALLY believe that any robber or murderer would go out and use a SHOTGUN REGSITERED TO HIMSELF??!! You think this wasn't a frame up by guilty "winesses" protecting against their own guilt? You think no one in those days watched Perry Mason??



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Perhaps you should read up on the facts a bit. Just type "Tookie Williams Evidence" into google and read one of any summary of articles compiling the evidence against Tookie. There were TWO witnesses to Tookie Williams actually commiting the shop-clerk murder (3 total people were with Tookie in the car but one of them didn't testify), as well as several coroborating witnesses that while not actually witnessing the murders helped back up the primary witness testimony. These secondary witnesses were innocent bystanders that had no reason whatsoever to lie. There were also two people who lived with Tookie Williams (who had no reason to lie) that testified as to Tookie admitting to the murders. The shotgun shell recovered at one of the murders matched the shotgun owned by Tookie Williams. Williams accidentally let it slip to the police that he knew how many shotgun blasts were fired at the motel murders (something he could not have known unless he had comitted the crime). As far as Tookie's defense? One of his witnesses was a jailhouse friend of William's who was caught lying about being with Tookie on the night of one of the crimes. A second was his step-father who after cross examination admitted he didn't know when he had seen Tookie that night. As far as redemption, Williams record in prison was anything but that of a peaceful man who was wrongly convicted. He was involved in several fights, an assault on a guard and threatened the life of a guard while there. All of this overwhelming evidence against a guy who laughed about how he killed 4 people and continues to deny that he even did it and yet it's "hands across America" for this total piece of human garbage. But don't let the facts get in the way of your desire to present a conspiracy theory with no supporting evidence, I'm sure you don't want to look at the facts unless you can have them spoon fed to you by Tookie supporters.

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The two people who lived with Tookie were facing their own criminal charges and were offered immunity in their own cases to testify against Tookie. The shotgun was found in THEIR house.

Type Tookie into google yourself and read the cases online, and find out all about the married couple that sold him out in exchange for the DA dropping other criminal cases against them. The pivotal testimony against Tookie was by Coward who is now in jail for murdering someone else. Without his word, nothing else stood. Everyone who testified against Tookie was offered money and favors and protection and immunity for their own crimes by the prosecutors, and many witnesses have come forward to say that those who testified admitted they were pressured to do so not because of these framed up murders, but because he was leading a dangerous gang which was commiting crimes that were not provable without someone to testify against him.

Get your facts in order. Here's a good start for you-- knock yourself out kid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tookie

..........Williams claims that the police found "not a shred of tangible evidence, no fingerprints, no crime scenes of bloody boot prints. They didn't match my boots, nor eyewitnesses. Even the shotgun shells found conveniently at each crime scene didn't match the shotgun shells that I owned." However, the prosecution's firearms expert, a sheriff's deputy, testified during trial that the shotgun shell recovered from the Yang murder crime scene matched test shells from the shotgun owned by Stanley Williams. No second examiner verified his findings. The Defense claims this expert's methodology was "junk science at best." [6]

Wiliams' gun was found in the home of a couple with whom he had been living. According to the District Attorney, the husband was undergoing sentencing for receiving stolen property and tried for extortion. Williams' lawyers have claimed that the District Attorney quashed a murder investigation in exchange for their testimony. The two shells recovered from the Owens crime scene were consistent with shells fired from this gun, with no exclusionary markings.[7] In addition, nearly 20 years after Williams' trial it was discovered that a Los Angeles police officer had left a copy of the police murder file involving his case in an informant’s cell for overnight study. The next day the murder file was picked up by that same officer, and the informant informed the police that Williams had volunteered a confession to him. In return for his court testimony, the informant – who himself was facing the death penalty for rape, murder and mutilation – was given a lesser sentence that allowed him the possibility of parole and freedom. [8].............


............According to the clemency petition, in his closing arguments, Martin described Williams as a "Bengal tiger in captivity in a zoo" and said the jury needed to imagine him in his natural "habitat" which was like "going into the back country, into the hinterlands." In a radio interview, Martin stated that the analogy was not meant to be racial, and instead was a metaphor to the fact that Williams appeared in court dressed in business attire much like an animal in a zoo appears more docile than it would be in the wild.

According to Williams' defense attorneys, in two subsequent cases, Martin was rebuked by the California appeals courts for using race as a criterion in jury selection and had two murder convictions overturned on those grounds.


.....In November 2005, the Fontana, California Police Department advised print and television media that a warrant had been issued for registered sex offender Lafayette Jones. Jones, wanted for allegedly molesting an ex-girlfriend's 13-year-old daughter at gunpoint, was identified by the police department as the son of Stanley Tookie Williams. [28] [29] Williams' official Reply Petition for Executive Clemency submitted on November 21, 2005, by Peter Fleming, Jr., stated that this was a lie purported by the police department, including an attached declaration from Lafayette Jones' mother, which declared under penalty of perjury that Lafayette was not Stanley Tookie Williams' son.


....The Los Angeles Police Department, the Los Angeles County District Attorney, and other law enforcement doubt that Williams has reformed, saying that he has refused to divulge information on other gang members, or debrief officials on the tactics and communication methods that gangs use. Williams has said he didn't want to be a "snitch." Schwarzenegger has said he would consider granting clemency to Williams. [21]


.....In 2002, Williams appeared before a three-judge panel on the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. The panel upheld his conviction, but in a rare move urged then-Governor Gray Davis to consider commuting the death sentence. The judges praised Williams for his "laudable efforts opposing gang violence" and his "good works and accomplishments since incarceration".


On November 30, 2005, the California Supreme Court refused to reopen his case in a 4-2 decision [22].


A 4-2 decision even among judges in the CA SUPREME COURT when a man's life hangs in the balance. How right do you think YOU are? Right enough to kill a man who might have been easily framed by cowards who get favors for testifying against him and by cops and prosecutors who are judged by their conviction rates?? WHO HAS UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE THAT TOOKIE IS GUILTY??!! No ONE!





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Give yourself a break-- The info on the wikipedia site on TOOKIE'S page is being METICULOUSLY monitored worldwide, by leaders of every single nation that is appalled at the barbaric act of executing him without absolute proof. NOTHING can get posted there right now without thousands of people taking every single word very very seriously, and submitting corrections where any should be. Are you so stupid that you think no one is reading that page & doublechecking for errors and omissions? Millions are all around the world.

Give ME a break if you think in any way, shape, or form anything has or will be posted on that site on Tookie's page without extremely close scrutiny from the entire world, and immidiate and accurate corrections if ANYTHING, ANYTHING is out of order. Don't you know how Wikipedia works? Try it sometime bozo. The only time mistakes are not noticed is when they slip by on pages people rarely question. EVERY interested party around the world is questioning why Tookie had to die, and why Arnold would so idioticly say that to acheive redemtption he would have been required to admit and apologize murders for which there is NO absolute proof whatsoever, in witchhunt Spanish Inquisition torture chamber fashion. Arnold is guilty of violating the most basic human rights and civil rights laws around the world. You don't tell someone "admit a crime or I will kill you"-- that's just crazy!! If you find anything on that page that's false-- you'd be only one out of the 10s of millions who are currently accessing & verifying that page by comparing it with the cases every single day in outrage over the execution and the conviction itself. There was clearly probable cause to investigate Tookie over the murders, but NO irrefutable evidence whatsoever connects him to these murders. The fact that the shotgun was legally registered in his name, & was then found later in the home of other criminals who testified against rather than dismantled and thrown into the ocean speaks volumes about it being a set up. How many people would kill with a gun in their own name & then leave the evidence where it would be found?? Right-- Try again.

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by - The-Gift-Of-Fury 10 minutes ago (Thu Dec 15 2005 12:56:59) Ignore this User | Report Abuse


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Oh yes retard the same wikipedia that said that the Romans defeated the south at gettysburg, and same wikipedia that said Oklahoma University football coach Bob Stoops lost his penis on the sideline.


uh.... i went to wikipedia searched bob stoops and i couldnt find anything about him loosing his penis or about the romans beating the at gettysburg

if u have the links to where you found those then post them

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OUR MURDERING FOR THEM WONT BRING THE DEAD BACK TO LIFE

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The only fact that mattered was that he was the leader of a violent, hateful gang of degenerates. That man had killed before and that man would gladly kill again. Scum deserve death, there is nothing inhumane about it. Tool.

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I want to thank you SO much nikolaltesla.

Seriously, I belive that Tookie should have been spared. Before, I though that he had done it, but had reedemed himself. Now I have hard facts to show that he didn't do it.

THANK YOU FOR THE INFO.

~This has been a presentation of "I'm just sayin"~

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because he's a murderer you *beep* moron

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English is clearly not your first language.

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--"The people of California are sick to death of gangs. We believe that murderers must receive justice."--


Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not gang-mentality? "You kill one of ours, so we kill one of yours". Murder under the cover of justice.


We can't stop here! This is Bat-country!

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Is what he did a horrible thing? Definently yes. It should never have happened.
Is the world safer with him dead? Not the least. The world is just as it was before.
Will it bring the victims back? No. Not if you wait a million years.

It may bring some joy to the families, but if they are happy about his death, they are just as guilty as he was, as far as I am concerned. Dont get me wrong. I dont blame them for wanting revenge. I would too, if someone killed a familymember of mine. I am just saying that a feeling of happiness over a death is never right.

Two wrongs will never make a right. Not now, not ever.


We can't stop here! This is Bat-country!

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>>>It may bring some joy to the families, but if they are happy about his death, they are just as guilty as he was<<<

Being happy about the murderer of your family member dying isn't equal to murdering 4 people

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So are you the sole retard who speaks for the whole state? Or just the White suburban people? What is justice? Justice is the equivilent to murder? So if the state killed Tookie his family deserves Justice since he was MURDERED by the state. You OBVIOUSLY represent the state so should they kill you? Obviously so.

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The people of California are sick to death of gangs. We believe that murderers must receive justice


QUIT BLAMING EVERY STATE THAT ENFORCES THE DEATH PENALTY.... you say california is sick to death of gangs...u mean to kill gangs? why dont you do some research and find out some things that gang do before you deside to chastise california

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Are you functionally retarded? You have terrible grammar, can't spell, and seem to feel like typing in all caps makes your argument more forceful, when in reality it makes you sound like a moron. No special interest groups in justice? Are you *beep* kidding me? I point two cases in particular in 1993 US District Judge Robert F Collins was slated to be impeached (he resigned first of course) after he was convicted of bribery, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice after a drug dealer's infomant paid him $100,000 for a lienent sentence. In 2003, Pennsylvania judge Thomas Gysegem sentenced a 21 year old from Youngstown, PA, to jail for nonexistant "importuning" laws. The law used to say that a person cannot ask a person of same sex if they'd like to engage in consensual non-funded sex if it offended the other person. Two cases of judges allowing greed and personal beliefs intrude upon their decisions. Do not tell me that there is no corruption or special interest in the judicial system you moron. It's not perfect, its damn good, but its not perfect, and the Williams case is one of the many imperfections in the system. It had nothing to do with being brainwashed, it has to do with fulfilling our job as American citizens, questioning the legitmacy of rulings and laws.

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I TOTALLY agree with your post! Except for the all-caps part and the grammar part. Logical arguments CAN be made without or without the "King's English", and the last thing we need right now is people judging each other on the level of formal education they received or were denied. Judge the facts or the lack of them for themselves, and love those that pick up on your points, because they are neccessary and good ones.

I'm not happy tonight about the absolutely outrageous decision to refuse clemency, but I'm hoping being hope that peace will prevail even in the wake of so much obvious racism and corruption in a non-black suburban kangaroo court with criminal witnesses on the DA's payroll. If people with lesser grammer skills are also welcomed into the realm of speaking out for justice, they too can help us all go on "questioning the legitmacy of rulings and laws" without lashing out in less effectiveand more self destructive protests.


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you guys yell about execution being all racist and sh*t like that get your sh*t right if you are going to say it is racism... At least that is what you are implying... check your facts

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/getexecdata.php

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Suuure. A black guy can be racist against another black guy because he thinks that someone should pay for their crimes.

Think before you talk, please.

I'm against him (and yes, I'm black and NOT racist) because he killed a lot of people.

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1. Because he murdered four people in cold blood, in an extremely cowardly fashion (one of them an old man, two of them shot in the back, and the third shot in the face as she came through a door - all of them completely defenseless)

2. Because he was (questionably) a founder of one of the most prolific and violent street gangs in the world - a gang that is responsible for hundreds of murders, rapes, robberies, and drug dealings.

That's why.

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I don't know anything about the details of his case, but I am against the death penalty. You don't kill people for killing people. You punish them, not kill. If he is guilty, he should have life in prison. We shouldn't stoop to the levels criminals stoop to. Enough said.

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Its now 4 days away from his execution, my beliefs is that he should not be executed, but the system of prison basically is to make people redeem themselves, it’s a detention for people to stop, think and learn about their mistakes. Stan Williams is a good example for the prison system, he is mostly rehabilitated himself and not only that he is trying to make a difference in way the youth should stay away from gang life.

Even though the familys of the victims and many other people wish to see tookie die wouldnt they rather him trying to make peace for the streets, stopping people who were once like him, not making anyone eles go through the drama of the families of the victims.
He is dedicating the rest of his life in prison to help the society.

Peoples hate are clouding on what good he can produce.

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He hasn't straightened up in prison. He has been involved in just as much violence now as before!

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So Instead of turning the state into a murderer? We turn the state into a Gay Dungeon Master?

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No, what im saying is keeping him alive will be much more wiser than just killing him off.

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What if it was your grandmother or your child that was the victim? Would you still want him to stay alive in prison for the rest of his life? The victims in the crime don't get to go outside, see movies, travel, be with relatives and friends or enjoy life because their lives were taken from them.I think the death penalty is necessary.

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The point of the law is to rise above the emotional status of the bereaved. Of coursre at the time I would probably want to see the man put to death. I'm sure at the time, the family of the slain wanted to jump over the railing and kill Williams with their bare hands. They restrained themselves, and why, becuase its a law and social norm. The same should be erected for the penal system. The death penalty seems to go against every societal norm our, and every industrialized nation, possesses.

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I can agree with you on that when thinking from that aspect.But at the same time I see the death penalty as a part of law and order and in this case it fits the situation well.

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What my point is to not just waste stanley williams, what, lets say they execute him, what good is it going to do, I meen the families of the victims would feel better as its alot of their chest having known he's dead. But the youth will have no one, or very little people steering them clear of gangs.

If they let tookie live he will make it personal to let the youth stay away from the deadly life he created. He want to destroy what he built.
But if Stanley reaches out JUST to one child to not be involved in gangs, Maybe thats one less child that will murder another 4 inocent people.
Maybe thats one less child who will create another terrorising gang.

Stan williams is not pleading for a life to finialy leave prison on parole many years later, he is asking to spare his life so he can do as much as posible to keep the youth and gang members to stop gangs and not be involved with them. But if he gets his life spared he will not be allowed parole so he will never leave the prison.

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Hear Hear. As the founder and leader of that horrible gang, he deserves to die. In fact his "supporters" should be damned happy that he had at least 24 years to live. Even if he did not kill those 4 people, he still bears the responsibliity of the murders committed in the name of the gang.

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There's nothing merciful about spending years waiting to die. And most people on death row have it pretty bad -- 23 hours a day in the cell.
So I guess you got your ugly wish. But be careful when wishing pain on others. It harms you more than it harms them.

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I'll take my chances. I didn't kill anyone so I should be ok..........freaking idiot!!!!!!!!!!

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1. Learn to spell.

2. Learn some new words. It seems that every other word was "Scum," "Degenerite" (sic), "Gang banger," "Punk," or "Vermin."

3. Communist? Are you an idiot? Do you even know what Communism is or do you just use it as a generic insult because you can't think of a better word.

4. No one said granting Tookie clemency would stop gang violence... but executing him won't stop it either.

My $0.02.

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If the "point" of the law is to rise above the emotional status of the bereaved. Then logically it should rise above ALL emotional states. The law is without emotion. This being so, it should not cow to your emotional plea for Tookie's or anyone's stay of execution. To keep a person like that alive is against the law. The law has judged him worhty to be executed. By his actions he has denied himself life here on earth.
Granted, if concrete evidence displays his innocence then by all rights free him if there is not then end his life.

This is business not personal.

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I agree....I'm against the death penalty as well...However, I don't believe a convicted killer should be able to spend his time in prison writing books (no matter what so called good they do). He took lives. He should be too tired and worn out from a 15 hour day of severely HARD labor . Thats what will teach killers a lesson. Thats what would deter would be killers, Not killing convicted killers. To many people with nothing to live for, death is an escape.

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I couldn't agreee with you more!

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costs too much to keep life-sentence prisoners tho... I have to work to pay for my rent and dinners... never mind using my tax money to feed, house and protect the criminals that have been removed from society for with good reason. But we dont have death penalty in my country (funny that, when we have had such terrorism that almost counts as civil war for a hundred years)

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Your wrong to believe that killing him will act as a deterrent to violent crime. The death penalty was reinstituted in the United States in 1977, violent crime held steady for approximately 20 years after its reinstitution. The death penalty has been a part of American society for centuries, but the intagible idea of possibly dying as a result of your actions as a 17, 18, 19, 20 year-old is not going to act as a deterrent to gang violence. The number of homocides in America in 1977 was 9.1/100,000 people. In 1997 there were 7.4 homicides/100,000 people. Between 1977 and 1997 your looking at fluctuations from 8.4 to 10.5/100,000 people. There is no single deterrent to fighting homicide.

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I agree, cable. The effect of Tookie's life or death will mean a lot to kids and gangs, but not in the way that his supporters say. Right now a lot of those "supporters" are just standing solid with one of theirs. The pervasive cultural appeal of gangs is so strong, that it will take a lot more than a few books to stop it.

Has anybody here even seen or read any of these books of his? I had never heard of them. I don't think his "good works" have been very effective in stopping gangs in California.

Supporting a crime network boss and giving him clemency will only strenghthen the reach of his gang.

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Would there be a public outcry if Tookie killed 4 blacks instead? I doubt it.

Of course you doubt it, because you are ignorant and WANT to make this a race issue. If the victims were all hardworking African Americans, the issue would remain the same: Four innocent human beings having their life cut short because of a cold, heartless scumbag.

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It couldn't be because he is directly responsible for four deaths along with who knows how many else that he didn't get caught for. Oh no. It's just because Whitey has it out for all black people. Give me a break. And don't start on accussing me of being a bleeding heart conservative. I am a moderate democrat and even I can see that this piece of *beep* deserves to die and so did California, and the most liberal circuit court in the whole damn nation. But, you see, it all ties back to racism. He's sentenced to death just because he's black! All you who support that theory can go *beep* yourselves. You make me sick.

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easy.. like everyone else said. he killed 4 people in blood and was covicted of it.. like kevin costner said in the untouchables "Its the law of the land" and the punishment is death...What i hate is this stupid racist *beep* in the papers.. i tire of it.. BLACK PEOPLE listen up... dont play the damn race card every time you get in trouble for somthing.. slavery is abolished, drop it... i hope he gets killed and snoop and fox and all the supporters get all pissed off and riot and get clubbed by the officers.. id say the same damn thing if williams was white and it was a bunch of white supporters... anyways.. he should get death in my opinion but will prolly get life.

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Biscuitchris7 is a *beep* racist! Life behind bars is a much worse punishment than death. The death penalty is for those who can't learn from their past or correct themselves. Child rapists recieve a lower sentence than someone convicted of grand theft auto, though they should definately be killed. A defenseless 8 year old must live the rest of their life with pain that will never heal and the convicted child molester must be released back into the same area. Get your priorities in line.

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HOW COME *beep* IS EDITED BUT NI**ER ISN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE PEOPLE WHO OVERSEE THIS SIGHT ARE RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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They should also change sight to site and remove needless exclamation marks. Tsk!

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Well, I agree that Tookie has shown some reform, but if he REALLY were reformed he would admit that he did the crimes. That would show me a true change of heart and perhaps he would be deserving of clemency in that case only.

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Did you people ever stop and think. Would it not make sense to confess if he was guilty? Im sure he has been told numerous times that admitting guilt could give him a better chance at clemency. So logic would suggest he isnt guilty.

The only reason to stick to your guns is because your innocent. He never claimed he was a boyscout. He just claims to be innocent of these crimes.

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"Your wrong to believe that killing him will act as a deterrent to violent crime. The death penalty was reinstituted in the United States in 1977, violent crime held steady for approximately 20 years after its reinstitution. The death penalty has been a part of American society for centuries, but the intagible idea of possibly dying as a result of your actions as a 17, 18, 19, 20 year-old is not going to act as a deterrent to gang violence. The number of homocides in America in 1977 was 9.1/100,000 people. In 1997 there were 7.4 homicides/100,000 people. Between 1977 and 1997 your looking at fluctuations from 8.4 to 10.5/100,000 people. There is no single deterrent to fighting homicide. " By pmpperez

His statistics are interesting. And he is right. To put to death a person like Stanley Tookie, will not solve all problems. By all means burn the Murderer, but realize one thing that scum like his are running all around and not all are getting the same as him, a death sentence. I have the deepest sympathies for the families of the victims and i personally would want a public execution for this man. But not all of his kind are getting the same..... Execeuting one such scum will never make a damn difference in curbing crime.

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Okay. This is a different subject because we have video proof that Hitler did that *beep* Not some "witness" statement from someone who would have been killed if they were actually there.

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CAN'T you PEOPLE SEE that the ONLY innocent person Hitler killed was HIMSELF, when he put a BULLET through his brain?

You are all MONSTROUS. You believe the testimony of some SCUMBAG THIRD REICH OFFICERS, on the BLIND FAITH that these officers didn't TESTIFY TO GET THEMSELVES OUT OF A HARSHER SENTENCE. How do YOU know that Hitler KILLED anyone? SHOW ME SOME PROOF.

It's been known for a while that COURT TESTIMONY is a JUNK SCIENCE AT BEST. JURIES are OPINIONATED and operate on HEARSAY to convict a man of crimes HE NEVER COMMITTED.

HITLER is INNOCENT. NO ONE CAN SAY HITLER WAS GUILTY UNLESS THEY WERE IN THE ROOM WITH HIM WHEN HE ORDERED JEWS TO BE KILLED... THERE IS NO FORENSIC EVIDENCE NONE..

HONESTLY HOW MANY OF YOU THINK THAT A SUPERIOR MILITARY GENIUS LIKE HITLER WOULD ACTUALLY BE DUMB ENOUGH TO SHOOT HIMSELF AND NOT BE ABLE TO DEFEND HIMSELF AT HIS WAR CRIMES TRIAL? LOLOLOLO....

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There has been so much one sided injustice that things are bound to swing the other way. Only the nature of the universe. If it wern't for liberals there would still be that one sided injustice. Change is inevitable and only retarded one-minded concervatives would want things to stay the same. The ability to talk online like this is a very liberal idea and the concervatives of about 15-20 years ago wouldn't want this.

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how is this for liberal injustices... affirmitive action? sure would be nice to get to go to a state school for free... lotsa student loan debt on this end. sure would be nice to beat out a more qualified candidate because of my race... hard for me to find a job: even with my education.

anyway, i don't even care. its just life. its unfair. you need to get over your blind hate for conservatives and free your self from the democratic party/plantation. the liberals don't really care about, i assume you are black, your black ass. noone does, except you for that matter.

and sorry to tell you, but al gore didn't really invent the internet. finally, posting to message boards is neither a conservative or liberal idea. its a commerce idea. ask the imdb.com execs' accountants.

=jake

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