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Why do DJs get all this aclaim?


they dint write the fkin music they just play it. from records. they dont use instruments or nowt!

..and yet they are lauded as gods , I feel sorry for the poor fkers who wrote that dance music, that no-ones ever heard of.



"
He thought he was cool with his tunes,
He'd practice the knack in his room,
And in the evenings he'd DJ,
With the side order class A,
Believing at his feet we'd swoon,

Now he's always there in the queue,
While down on the dancefloor it's you,
And when he starts playing,
He's up there praying,
You don't notice that they're not his tunes.

That's sad,
That's right,
Another night of someone else's fantasy.
"

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Dj's do actually write music! to become a world renowned DJ you need to be able to produce music. this is because mixing is more of a science than talent. you will not get any where huge in the world of Dj'ing if you can not write your own music! just a few examples to back up my point

Famous DJ one big Track they produced or remixed
Tiesto things you say
Paul van Dyke for an angel
mickey slim Hypnotize
david guetta Love don't let me go

in fact you will find it hard to find a VERY FAMOUS dj who hasn't produced a big track. and before you reply with it must be easy to create a dance track it is on the contrary, every sound in a track will have been created by the dj him self by playing about with frequency to get the exact noise he wants! you also have to be an expert in producing software like logic so you can use all the techniques like side compression etc... not every one knows how to do it and it can take a while to learn how to use effectively. and every track is composed just like your pop and rock songs. the dj will have a keyboard/synth plugged into his computer which he will play the track on originally to get an original sound so they also need to be able to play an instrument.

do you still think a dj does nothing? fair enough in a set they will play other peoples songs but thats just one of the perks of the job after you have created a song which has made it big in the charts. xxx

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Very well answered Sam. I couldn't have said it better.

You should also checkout the documentary "Scratch" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0143861/

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Armin Van Buuren
Dj Shah
Aly & Fila
Sean Tyas
Nic Chagall
ATB
Ferry Corsten
Above & Beyond
John O'Callaghan

All famous DJ's theres plenty more but these guys produce their own tracks and are respected and sought after because of it

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awesome. i was just going to ask, after seeing Sam's retort, if there was any movie or doco about DJs. There really should be because DJs are fairly unknown and misunderstood in the music scene. There's a million documentaries about rock and stuff but I've never heard of one about DJs or techno/electronica.

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you obviously dont know jack about DJing do you? all top DJs who get "lauded as gods" produce their own music. I think your complaint is much more relevant to pop stars.... most of them dont write their own music and get WAY more fame and riches

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Sounds like the guy has an axe to grind with dance music in general...BUT

Lets face it, Dj'ing and Dj's are very over rated. Ive had turntables for 15+ years, ive followed dance music since the eighties after being heavily into the old school breakdanciing scene as a kid in the mid eighties. Sure the documentary Scratch deals with the creative end of what can be done on turntables and there's creativity produced with turntablism that deserves high merit. Ive attended DMC heats for the past 10 years as its a passion that ive put my share of time into.

But the majority of dace music is made up of beat matching same genre 4 to the floor beats or various breakbeat styles, and EQ'ing it around a bit. Some do it better than others and give it all a some level of merit, but at the end of the day i dont hold that practice up as some kind of musical genius. It isnt, it really isnt.

I see the arguement put forward that Dj's are only lauded so highly becouse of everyone's knowledge of their producing achievements. That isnt really cut black and white truth of the matter in my opinion. Lets face it after the intial figures were established it quickly mushroomed into a fickle cult of celebrity affair that brought intense competition (too many DJ's). To break into that requires any leverage possible, production talents is one way of elavating a name, but theres a whole manner of other hustles with people just trying to finance a lifestyle.

Good for them, everyones there for a good time and thats about the size of it. But when someone starts spouting the genius working behind the turntables, its just a case of the drugs talking *beep* and should be recognised as such.

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there is 2 sides to DJ'ing though, there is the mixing and technical side but there is also the art of reading a crowd and picking the right tune for the right moment in a set and responding to a crowd, that is the real skill of DJ'ing

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dont buy that at all.

A good DJ seperates himself from the bad ones cos he's put his time into the music and devolped an ear for tunes that his crowd will want. Granted he'll break out the tune that down the road will become anthems or maybe just be in possesion of those underground tunes that dont get that kind of success but they're loved none the less when they are played.

But i dont buy into the the impromptu reading the crowd and reacting. On the night they have their set and the crowd are off their face, so when the tunes drop they get the response. The impromptu scenary kicks in when a set is going tits up and leads to a frantic search for something that'll kick in.

Again the Dj has a job to do, but the whole worshipping the act of DJ'ing as some form of technical musical genius is a way overarted opinion i believe.
There are Dj's that i hold in high esteem b'cos of their extensive knowledge of music past and their production skills when they alter it to a form that fits the present. But i dont regard someone who exclusively DJ's in your typical 4 to the floor genres as anything to be elavated to such a high degree for.

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the great DJ unites the dancefloor

its that simple

show me any other musical performer that can bring people of different ages, backgrounds, race, gender etc etc together in the way that the DJ does

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Yeah right...

until the drugs wear off, then that doesnt hold up other than idealistic nonsense. I really havent got an axe to grind with Dj's other than when people just get on their D1cks so badly in a way that shows their limited scope and general ignorance to the wider field of music. And thats what im getting at here.

[b]show me any other musical performer that can bring people of different ages, backgrounds, race, gender etc etc together in the way that the DJ does
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There are musicians from all sorts of genres that achieve it. You can even consider more classical forms of music like celtic folk. May not be mixmag cool, but the music and its structured dances are actually designed to create social situations for people to actually meet, dance with each other, creating friendships, relationships.

Put it like this, my collection of music covers electronica, techno, drum and bass, leftfield + old school hip hop, psychedelia rock, soundtracks of every sort, rock, goth, country and western, classical, turntablism,...and so on and on and on.

Djing is, what it is. Nothing less, and not a great deal more.

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this guy knows what he's talking about

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You have to start somewhere. Once you know about all the dj's, if you really love the music, you will figure out about producers. However, a lot of people never get that far (esp. where I live!) but atleast they are aware it exists! Besides, I agree, many of the greats are both. I thank who ever mentioned Corsten up there. He's still my one big dj/producer crush :-D

Anyway, I guess my point is, who cares? If it gets the music out there, does it matter if you love one vs. the other? I'm pretty sure Armin, Tiesto, Marco V, Ian Van Dahl, Icey, Dieselboy, Ronski Speed and the rest of the gang from most any electronic genre aren't crying over it too much ;-)

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He really does know, doesn't he! Or is at the least very persuasive to someone like me who doesn't know a great deal about the DJ world.

Thanks

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Hi Everyone,

I really felt the need to chime in here:

As for those saying it requires no skill or talent, let me prove you wrong:

My name is not dean palmer, that is a fake name here.

However, I am a producer whos been in the business for the last 10 years. I've produced and remixed for grammy nominated producers/dj's, DJ'd across the globe, scored movies and video game soundtracks, and have my own record label and management company and have taught publishing and music business/law. I have also done production work for labels like tiesto's, armin van buurens, & markus schulz's.

I for one can say that Electronic dance music producers are the ELITISTS of all producers. Having the experience of producing dance music has given me the ability to score movies with entire string and symphony orcchestra instruments as if i was working with an entire team of people. Normally my dance music productions come out to be around 100-120 channels of audio. Thats all different sounds, drums, percussion, guitar, synthesizers, basses, etc. That would be like having 120 people doing each one of those instruments, or a mixing board the size of texas. There are so many talented producers out there that work there asses off for no pay, and DJing is the only means for these producers to preform. So just because their spinning a record at a live gig, which by the way takes an extreme talent as well to be good at, doesnt mean their doing nothing. I personally can beatmatch a record in less than 5 seconds, but i can sometimes take me 4-5 MINUTES to find the right track to fit the groove or feeling of the crowd. It takes so much skill, and there are endless options nowadays with DJ's incorporating live instruments, effects and visuals on their own, live synths, etc.. Producing pop, rap, or other music is a joke comparable to this. You can pull those songs off using 20 channels of audio, 1/6th the amount of an electronic song.

And the normal EDM producer works their asses off for nothing. If they sell 1000 digital downloads, they're only making like 200$... And most songs even though unbelievably well produced, sometimes only sell 100-200 copies with the over competitive and napstar/kazaa/illegal download ridden scene these days. And DJing is the only means of performance for these type of electronic songs.. You cant go out and preform these all over the place like a rock band unless you're on top, and there are VERY VERY FEW people in this position. Maybe 100-200 DJ's worldwide that do this internationally, and spin to big crowds on a regular and successful basis.

And yes, of course some DJ's are looked at as being 'rockstars'. But u show me any huge mainstream music group that isnt. U2, backstreet boys, anybody.. There will be your fair share of fans who look up to them as 'gods', trust me on that. While i dont agree with it, theres always going to be super fans, and yes also psychos out there. (which by the way DJ's like tiesto or Armin van buuren are equivalent to in popularity these days - Armin being a DJ who DJ's to millions of people every single Thursday on the radio and both have been nominated for grammys and pus out an album every year just like any other artist while still running a huge record label with 100's of artists, and djing his weekly radio show. Guy is in 20 different countries a month, doesnt get that much sleep, is always traveling etc. Let me assure you there are no music scene's/industries that require this type of dedication

So please before you all judge on something such as this and how much talent it takes to do what, read this post. It takes an overwhelming amount of skill to compete in this industry, and most people work for little to nothing and for the love of the music which you will find no where else as much as in this particular scene/industry..

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Nick Warren.

Full Stop.

darker than biscuit, lighter than oak

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I totally agree it takes a lot to become a good DJ/Producer, nowadays I'm studying Electronic Dance Music Production and believe me it isn't simple at all I've been working on my first song for over 2 months until it reaches perfection and believe me it needs a lot of dedications, skill, and talent, I studied for DJ first and it is quite difficult at the beginning believe me it took me hard work and a lot of practice when I started beatmatching with vinyls, and not only that but nowadays you have so much elements to use while spinning but that you must now how to sound good and how to use such resources.

And yes all the people I know which are involved in this don it for the love we all have for this music my teachers, my schoolmates, my friends though you can make a living out of it, but hard work, practice, and the love for what you do is needed.

Cheers to all DJs out there!!

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"I've produced and remixed for grammy nominated producers/dj's, DJ'd across the globe, scored movies and video game soundtracks, and have my own record label and management company and have taught publishing and music business/law. I have also done production work for labels like tiesto's, armin van buurens, & markus schulz's."

Sure thing, guy on the internet.

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