Could you survive one of Jigsaw's "games"?
Based purely on your current horror movie knowledge, if you had never seen this series do you think you could survive a game tailored to you?
shareMost likely not. The panic would overtake me.
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More than likely not.
shareI was abused as a child pretty bad so believe me I’ve survived a lot of horror tailored just to me. I made it out alive.
shareWow. I'm glad you made it out alive.
I'm also kind of surprised you're a horror fan at all. I'd imagine something that traumatic, you'd want to avoid reliving that experience if you could possibly help it.
I’ve never understood why many seem to think that. Many of my friends over the years who enjoy horror as much as I do also grew up in abusive homes.
shareThat's interesting.
shareI recently watched an interview with Jamie Lee Curtis and director of the Halloween movie that came out last year. Jamie talks at one point about meeting a fan at a Cosplay or something like that. He says she saved his life. He went on to tell her his childhood was very abusive and what has kept him going was horror movies. He said her character of Laurie Strode encouraged him throughout life. He sees her as a survivor so if she could survivor what she went through he could do the same.
Jamie Lee Curtis as one point almost broke down in tears and went on to say that a lot of fans of horror movies are survivors. She is 100% correct in my love for scary movies. As a teen, I was obsessed with Nightmare On Elm Street. No one understood why. But, the lesson in the first movie is clear to me. You turn your back on the bad man (Freddy) and he doesn't control you anymore. You have the control. Of course, the sequels to Nightmare kill that message but it is still true in many ways for survivors.
I appreciate your insight.
I can understand drawing inspiration from survivors in horror movies like you describe of the JLC fan or the first NOES.
But as is the case sometimes, as an abuse survivor yourself, what about horror movies where there are no survivors? Isn't that kind of dark or are there other psychological factors at play?
My understanding of the joy I derive from horror movies is that it's controlled fantasy. No matter how dark its depths, in the end I know in the back of my mind it's still a movie. Probably the most truly horrific "horror" movies for me are the ones inspired by real life events or actual documentaries that plumb the real depths of human hopelessness and suffering. Like Children Underground (2001) on the armies of 2nd and 3rd generation Romanian street kids that are collateral damage from former communist leader Nicolae Ceasescu's policy banning contraception and abortion; resulting in thousands of unwanted children abandoned in the streets and now addicted to the brain deadening pursuit of stealing and inhaling toxic paint. Watching documentaries like that for me is truly horrific.
I view stuff like Saw as popcorn horror, it's fun because it's so unlikely and unreal; designed for thrills. My favorite horror movie of all time is Martyrs (2008) since it transcends the conventional horror cliches and plumbs the depths, in my opinion and to my tastes, of the existential psychic crises of what horror should be in contemplating life and death. I have a really hard time seeing how any abuse victim could watch a horror flick like that and come away enjoying it, so I'm curious if you've seen it and if you enjoyed it?
"But as is the case sometimes, as an abuse survivor yourself, what about horror movies where there are no survivors? Isn't that kind of dark or are there other psychological factors at play?" - Honestly, those do not bother me at all either. For example the movie The Vanishing. I haven't seen the original but I have seen the remake. I love it mainly for the psychological factor. We get to see the villains side of things & it's pretty creepy. I enjoy a good story especially one that keeps you on the edge. Other movies with no survivors in my mind are pretty much realistic because in the end we are all going die. I'm not sure why I like them I guess for the suspense or something. I enjoy horror or thrillers way more than comedy.
I also enjoy true crime documentaries, books, and movies based on true crime. Again I learn more to the psychological part of it. Why do people do these things and are some just born evil? Over the years I've been obsessed at times learning about Jim Jones, the Manson family cult and so on. I just find things like that fascinating. I've also been obsessed with Leah Remini's show about Scientology. Almost all people who join a cult do join because they know it is a cult, they are searching for something. The idea that a simple search like that can pull someone into a cult is very interesting to me and the slow process of the cult leader going control is fascinating. I'll definitely look into the documentaries you mentioned.
I've never seen Martyrs. But, I can pretty much watch any horror movie and I'm ok with it. I've found some tough to watch such as the original "Left House On The Left" the rape and murder are just brutal and it was llike watching someone really get murdered. I don't think I can ever watch that again. I do look up Martyrs and read about it, that may hit too close to home so I doubt I would watch it.
WASNT THE QUESTION...I HATE PEOPLE WHO CONSTAN TLY USE PAST TRAUMA AS A BADGE...I WAS ABUSED FROM AGES 7 TO 11...IT SUCKS.I DONT KEEP IT CURLED UP IN MY MOUTH,JUST WAITING FOR OPPURTUNITIES TO SPEW IT OUT AGAIN THOUGH.
shareI'm not sure where in the world you get someone who uses it as a badge. It is a proven fact that people who survive one ordeal be it child abuse, a car crash, attempted murder and so on actually have a higher chance at surviving something else. I have been in many support groups with survivors and not one wears it like a badge. Most people keep it hidden but when asked certain things, yes they will bring it up.
I actually met one woman who was abused as a young child later in life as a young college student survived a kidnapping and attempted murder. It was her past that helped her survive She did not react in a "normal" way according to the kidnapper so he actually kept her alive for a while. His other victims have acted how he wanted panicking, screaming and so on. She had learned as an abused young child that screaming and fighting made things worse. So she fought some but eventually knew it was best not to fight. This took him off guard and he even told police this. So yes, if you want to say her BADGE kept her alive the next time something awful happened to her and today she is back home safe with her family. But, also say this is no badge anyone wants and for you to call it that is very insulting.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAS SHIT IN THE PAST..THATS WHERE IT BELONGS.
shareProbably not. But I do think I would've had a better chance at surviving the razor wire ordeal. It's simple really. All the guy had to do was slowly lift up and scurry around the obstacle of wire. But then again, he only had two hours to do so. But still, I think I could've figured a way out of that one.
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Most game were easily beatable without serious physical harm (like jamming the machine's cogwheels or pulling out power cables) but in a stressful, life or death situation it's highly unlikely to come up with a logical solution.
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