Dave Mustaine segment


I thought it was great to have him on and to get some things out in the open [too bad James wasn't there though]. And as a fan, it was good for me too. But I'm sorry, all that snivelling about "Every thing I've done has backfired" and "It's just so hard for me to be #2".

Bu11 SH!+ !!!

I'm sure Dave Ellefson had a conniption if he saw that and let out a big WTF!! If I were band co-founder and co-writer I know I would have gone off on Dave M for those remarks after all the blood I poured into that band!

IMO Megadeth was a pretty damn successful backfire.

And as for being #2... Dude!!! You're a BIG #2!!! It's not like you're trailing them like say.... Anthrax is trailing YOU.

Look. As with alot of spin-offs, the fans usually win out because now they have 2 band they like. But somebody's ALWAYS going to be a little more popular.





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this film heavily edited Mustaine's speech to make him look so whiney and things (infact he tried to disown the material after he saw how they had edited it)

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I'd believe that, about his footage being 'edited'. He had no control over how the final product would come out, & Lars & Co. would require the personalities of saints to allow themselves to be shown as major a-holes or release the meeting with little to no editing.

I can sympathize about Mustaine wanting to come out on top for once. But!! Just the same, his own personal demons sabotaged Megadeth in the long run. The lineup he had for Rust in Peace & Countdown... could've taken Megadeth to high levels. Unfortunately, his addictions led to his shelving Megadeth, and now they're back to square one. Not something that one can blame on Lars, etc.

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to be fair on Lars (a first for me) he didn't really have much control on the editing - it was down to the directors who basically needed a villain of the piece, and so enter the poor wreckage of Mustaine just trying to patch things up once and for all.
but yeah I agree with you about Megadeth's problems (which, incidentally were the same addictions that caused him to get kicked out of Metallica in the first place) but i can hardly blame him completely - if i was kicked out of a band who then went on and made something quite as retardedly globe stomping as Enter Sandman, I'D want to get drunk and never wake up..

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I don't really see how "editing" is necessary to make him seem more whiney than he actually is. I mean, he was sitting there right in front of a camera, speaking. Are you saying they edited different sentences together? No. If he seems whiney, it's only because he whined while the camera was rolling.

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Are you saying they edited different sentences together?

You're apparently assuming that all we saw on film was the whole shebang of footage. That's like walking in on an argument & assuming everything you witness from the point we walk in onward is the entire discussion. From what you witness you might get a certain perspective but without knowing what was said BEFORE you walked in, you have no idea what else was said!

Who knows, except for those that were there, what else was said? For all we know, Mustaine may have stated some pretty hard truths very conherently & very well. We'll never know b/c I HIGHLY doubt the unaired stuff will ever be shown for public consumption. As was stated before, for the segment the film makers may have needed a 'villian' or, in this case, 'sad sack' & some of Mustaine's footage fit the bill.

Then again, he actually may have spent the whole time bitching, lol!

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I never said that I believed Mustaine spent the entire session being whiny. I never said he was whiny 100% of the time. All I know is that he is definitely a whiny person, because they show him whining. You're right, for all we know, they might have another 17 hours of additional footage where Mustaine isn't being whiny. But... so what? That wouldn't magically negate the 15 minutes we see of him whining.

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Well, to be fair, you're whining about Dave Mustaine behing a whiny person based on a few minutes of a movie. So, based on that logic, are we safe to assume that you are a whiny person as well?

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Assume whatever the hell you want.

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I agree that blaming this on editing is pretty childish. Unless they edited sentences together. It's not like they followed him around a full year and only "edited" the whiny parts in. This was a conversation boiled down to a few minutes and they showed him whining A LOT.

Whether or not he was whining the other time he was being filmed, who cares? We've witnessed him whining first hand that "everything he's done has backfired" which is insulting to his band members, his fans and to every musician out there that would give his liver for 10% of Megadeth's recognition.

I think Metallica were *beep* for the way they kicked Mustaine out. No pre-warning, no second chances, just a wakeup and a bus ticket. But this was in the early 80s and since then Dave's been touring the world and influencing generations of metal people. He's succeeded, and to see him whining about it instead of being grateful was really, really low.

I think Lars said it perfectly in that interview: "Do I feel guilty? Yes I do. But it's difficult for me to comprehend why all these years, everything you've been doing is rooted to Metallica" (paraphrasing, sorry, haven't seen this movie in a while)

Mustaine is a great musician but his attitude and insecurities have both dragged down and insulted his fellow band members and fans.

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I think what I would have liked out of that scene is a context for it. I think that's what people are talking about with editing, not necessarily chopping things up to change the meaning. What did he say before he said the stuff that got into the movie? And more than that, what is he like normally? That's what bugs me the most. Say what you want about Dave Mustaine, but one thing he's not, ordinarily at least, is a sad-sack. He's arrogant, confrontational, and well-spoken. So when they show only this remarkable footage of him being all sad about his relationship with Metallica, with no context, it leaves people who don't know anything about these guys with a warped impression of Dave Mustaine, but even more jarringly, people who know what he's like are left going, What the f`ck? What led up to this?? It's so unexpected that it deserves an explanation. It's one of the few notable flaws in an otherwise really good documentary.


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Megadeth are better than Metallica anyway!

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It then came out that he had final say in what his segment looked like. His b1tching about it was just classic Mustaine trying to save face and not come off like an a$$hole.

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I understand your point of view, as it is a mature way to look at things. Yet from the point of view of someone who believes they were screwed and hence, felt bad... that's how some people are.

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It did make him look like a whiny b**ch. I don't know if it would have mattered much to edit it differently. The material in the film, clearly shows he's held onto a deep resentment over not being in METALLICA.

It was hard to watch as fan of both bands. After all, MEGADETH has put out some seriously cool albums and have created a huge following. While it's not as enormous as METALLICA, hey not much is.



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I like both bands, and I am more partial to Megadeth, but I was disapointed with the Dave Mustaine scene.

It is, however, nice to see him in the same room as Lars and Kirk. Maybe they could collaborate sometime in the future (wishful thinking).

But I couldn't believe how upset he was about being "Number 2". If he really wanted to increase album sales, he could start singing sappy love songs, make techno-dance music, and put scantily clad women and synchronized dancing in his videos. I thought it was all about the music. If some drunken idiot who happens to be a Metallica fan yells, "MEGADETH SUCKS!" Dave could just go home and count his money. That should make him feel better.

You could blame the drugs and booze, but what really broke up the original Metallica line up was that you could not fit the three giant egos of James, Dave, and Lars on the same stage.

Dave now has HIS band, playing HIS music, and its Dave's way or the highway. He has been successful too, so I do not see what he has to complain about.

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Thank you Huskie_Jon

That's what I'm sayin'. "go home and count his money.".
Number 2 money could get you some hell of alot of quality rehab too.

I love both bands too [and I think Megadeth is a WAY tighter live band than Metallica].

Even though "Leper Messiah" IS my fave on Master of Puppets. It is hard for me to fathom that Dave could actually think Metallica would be even bigger and better with him still in it from the start

I think the opposite is more correct.


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You could blame the drugs and booze, but what really broke up the original Metallica line up was that you could not fit the three giant egos of James, Dave, and Lars on the same stage.

YES. I think the only reason James and Lars were even able to work together all these years is they always had two other guys to beat up on. When, due to therapy and the Jason thing, they started trying to approach things as a unit, rather than James and Lars telling the others what to do and generally treating them like crap, that's when you started seeing all this conflict between James and Lars. Or at least that's how it appears in the movie.


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That scene was filmed two days after 9/11, I think everyone was pretty emo around that time. Context is pretty important, and as usual Lars et. all stick it to Mustaine once again. Megadeth was way better anyway IMHO.

Also, I guess before all that he was a dick and made Lars cry. They stopped taping.

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Yeah that is a sad scene, especially the line "Do I wish it was 1982 all over again and you guys woke me up and told me to go to AA (or something similar)? yeah, I'd give anything for that chance." That's a pretty intense statement.

I really would like to see the unedited tapes or to have been in that room to see the whole thing. Also when he mentions about James not being there, I think things would've gone A LOT differently if he had been there.

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WTF are you people on about!?!?!?!? A whiney bitch? Dave Mustaine's sole purpose of starting Megadeth was to say *beep* you to Metallica. But that never worked out the way he wanted. And he says in the film that when he says backfire that in other people's eyes is a big success... but the point is that he's always in the backseat of what he could have been. And Mustaine being who he is dwells on that. And in many ways in a self-destructive way...

All you people calling Metallica Dicks and Dave a bitch are a$$holes. You have to get over the fact that these people are not 'the image' they sell, but are flesh and blood and are sensitive people with feelings who take what they do very seriously.

and one of the key messages in 'Some Kind of Monster' was that the tough guy image only lasts so long and at some point you have to think about what your life really is about. And James realized that even after all the things that he's accomplished, all that mattered were the people he loved. And Metallica was this whole other animal which he didn't know where that would belong. Thats the whole point.

All this bullsh it about Dave being a Villain and Lars needing to make Dave look bad is ridiculous and you people need to realize that this film is about people and not 'badasses' ... OK?



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I wonder if Mustaine feels stupid for his comment slagging off Metallica in the cover for Killing is My Business. I always thought that was childish. Hopefully by now Mustaine is over it all. Megadeth is a very successful and amazing band. He proved that he could do it without them.

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unfortunately he's not. did an interview not too long ago slagging on Metallica again... some people just dont change...

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Yet the 'Big Four' tour was confirmed in December. I guess they don't have to talk to each other though!

I hope that tour comes to the UK...

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The best part of your post is "You're a BIG #2!!!"

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Plus, when Megadeth started, fans couldn't wait for them to tour and release albums.

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It certainly takes him a disproportionate amount of time to get over past events...






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